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[nightcobra]

You Maniac! You blew it up! Ah, damn you starchild! God damn you to hell!

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Modifié par nightcobra8928, 25 juin 2012 - 03:22 .

[Andromidius]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Just playing through the game again, I don't know whether it's because of my prejudice against him or not, but that kid at the start is creeeeeepy. Not in general, just that scene in the vent duct. Very strange.
People say that IT is too intricate of a theory, but this game is all about subtlety, from finding the Hamster running around in Jack's hidey-hole to what happened with Joker's sister. A lot of proof of the things that happen in this game have to be analyzed, that can only ever support the IT.
But really, "you can't help me..."
Was that always that creepy? Then the reaper wails afterwards that sound all distorted.
Also in the 1st dream, I ran around looking at benches for a while, and in the sound I noticed an increasing ringing noise, it got to the point where I actually flinched away from it and turned down the volume beause I use a headset in was like right in my ear lol then, to top it off, the game somehow automatically put me infront of the kid when I ran too far out of the area. =/
Also worth noting that this picture...




Reminds me a lot of.....

https://encrypted-tb...-vT6T2OjNq1PAag

This could be a sign that the Reapers used the child (due to Shepard witnessing his death on Earth) to embed into Shepad's nervous system. And then the dreams represent the reaper influence (child) going from his nerve endings (the presence of trees), into his brain (the ground the trees are connected too and which the child plays on). Then your avatar Shepard that you control, obviously represents the subconscious part of Shepard that realizes something wrong is happening in a section of his/her brain and tries to discover the source. You never find out though because each time your subconsicous tries to warn you it is absorbed when the child is covered with flames, therefore becoming apart of the reaper influence. This would also give meaning to the final dream where Shepard sees an image of him/herself burning with the child.

OR... I've just gone completely crazy waiting for the EC to come out... lol

Well now, that is interesting.  Which dream do you see the first image in?

[paxxton]

Unschuld wrote...

byne wrote...

You let Miri die? You monster! I dont even like her that much, but even I didnt let her die.

I "let" her die. Problem?

Guess it was because I was tired of her telling half truths/lies about what she was up to, yet expecting me to be completely explicit. Alliance data access: denied.

Her death is choreographed so poorly that it looks fake. It's better to save her because it spares you the scene.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 03:22 .

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...
You let Miri die? You monster! I dont even like her that much, but even I didnt let her die.

Not intentionally.  I did something wrong beforehand, but I wasn't fussed enough to replay the entire game just to save her. 

I always lose someone on my first playthrough - on my first ME2 character I lost Mordin and Thane.

[Rifneno]

dreamgazer wrote...

I'll have plenty of self-respect in retaining an interpretation of the story proper, which is where my perspective has always come from: evaluating the raw data and seeing if it's a feasible narrative outlook.

It's a shame that looking at a piece of fiction has turned simply into, "I'm right, and you're wrong". It's that mentality that created the "cultist" accusations. But, c'est la vie.

Eh, human nature. Anyway, evaluating and speculating is great but this isn't a minor part of the story. As long as IT is up in the air, we don't have an ending. If we were to be speculating on some background part of the story or one of the character's motivations, perhaps something like the "is Aria that asari Wrex talked about in ME1?" thing, then that'd be fine to go on forever. But this shouldn't. Because we're being denied an ending until they tell us "you're wrong, starbrat is completely legit" or they reveal the plot twist of IT and continue the story.

Jade8aby88 wrote...

Just playing through the game again, I don't know whether it's because of my prejudice against him or not, but that kid at the start is creeeeeepy. Not in general, just that scene in the vent duct. Very strange.
People say that IT is too intricate of a theory, but this game is all about subtlety, from finding the Hamster running around in Jack's hidey-hole to what happened with Joker's sister. A lot of proof of the things that happen in this game have to be analyzed, that can only ever support the IT.
But really, "you can't help me..."
Was that always that creepy? Then the reaper wails afterwards that sound all distorted.
Also in the 1st dream, I ran around looking at benches for a while, and in the sound I noticed an increasing ringing noise, it got to the point where I actually flinched away from it and turned down the volume beause I use a headset in was like right in my ear lol then, to top it off, the game somehow automatically put me infront of the kid when I ran too far out of the area. =/
Also worth noting that this picture...

Yes, he was always that creepy IMO. That kid would give Steven King the willies. Oh, the Reaper wails afterwards that sound all distorted? Those are a pretty significant clue. In the books, when Paul Grayson got distracted or something and lost concentration on an indoctrination manifestation, there was a similarly described growl. And if you have a good surround sound, the growl after the distraction by Anderson is set to sound as if it's coming from... everywhere, really. All around you. Not outside like the rest of the Reaper noises.

Unschuld wrote...

I "let" her die. Problem?

Guess it was because I was tired of her telling half truths/lies about what she was up to, yet expecting me to be completely explicit. Alliance data access: denied.

Jack approves. (+50)

[Dwailing]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

So did you guys cry anywhere during the game?

I cried at the beginning at the death of the kid (I know, I know.  Heck, I STILL cry at that, though it's probably just the music.  Leaving Earth is such a great piece.), I might have cried when Ashley got beaten up by Eva, I cried when I thought Grunt might have died, I cried when Mordin died, I cried when Thane died, I cried when Legion died, I cried when Thessia fell (Didn't stop me from kind of chuckling at Joker's joke.  I know, I'm a horrible person.), I cried during some of the good byes, and I cried when "Anderson" died.  And I STILL cry pretty much every time I see those scenes.  I know, I'm a very emotional person.

[dreamgazer]

Jade8aby88 wrote...




Reminds me a lot of.....

https://encrypted-tb...-vT6T2OjNq1PAag

I believe this was an intended visual cue, to suggest that the dreams carry a deeper cerebral/physiological effect than mere dreams.  Had the same thoughts.

[Jadebaby]

byne wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Come tomorrow morning, I guess I'll find out if holding out for indoc theory was worth the speculation or not.

For me, whether IT is true or not, the speculation will always  have been worth it. 

I agree, and the fact that it is still going on after nearly 4 months is a true credit to it's success as a theory.
The IT didn't just help me to get over the endings, it helped me make a few new friends as well.

haha, that was really corny, so I'm going back to playing ME3 now.

[byne]

Andromidius wrote...

Well now, that is interesting.  Which dream do you see the first image in?

I think thats how all the dreams start. Not 100% sure. I know its how the first dream starts at least. It has you looking up at the trees, tricking you into thinking you're looking at a nervous system or something, then it pans down to the Nightmare Park.

Interesting to note that both times you first see the kid, you are tricked into thinking you're looking at something else.

The first time, you think you're seeing a fighter flying around, but its just the kid playing with a toy.

The second time, you think you're seeing a nervous system, but its just a bunch of dead trees.

[nightcobra]

Dwailing wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

So did you guys cry anywhere during the game?

I cried at the beginning at the death of the kid (I know, I know.  Heck, I STILL cry at that, though it's probably just the music.  Leaving Earth is such a great piece.), I might have cried when Ashley got beaten up by Eva, I cried when I thought Grunt might have died, I cried when Mordin died, I cried when Thane died, I cried when Legion died, I cried when Thessia fell (Didn't stop me from kind of chuckling at Joker's joke.  I know, I'm a horrible person.), I cried during some of the good byes, and I cried when "Anderson" died.  And I STILL cry pretty much every time I see those scenes.  I know, I'm a very emotional person.

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[HellishFiend]

Jade8aby88 wrote...

byne wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Come tomorrow morning, I guess I'll find out if holding out for indoc theory was worth the speculation or not.

For me, whether IT is true or not, the speculation will always  have been worth it. 

I agree, and the fact that it is still going on after nearly 4 months is a true credit to it's success as a theory.
The IT didn't just help me to get over the endings, it helped me make a few new friends as well.

haha, that was really corny, so I'm going back to playing ME3 now.

 Indeed I think many of us consider each other friends. Of course, to outsiders, we all look like a bunch of that mad scientist from eden prime in ME1....

[Unschuld]

Rifneno wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I "let" her die. Problem?

Guess it was because I was tired of her telling half truths/lies about what she was up to, yet expecting me to be completely explicit. Alliance data access: denied.

Jack approves. (+50)

Jack's dead lol (+1000). Never liked having her on my ship, and after I saw the scene on Youtube where she punches you in the face, I had zero regrets about my "oops" moment in ME2.

[byne]

Dwailing wrote...

I might have cried when Ashley got beaten up by Eva, I cried when I thought Grunt might have died

I was fully ready to restart the mission and kill off the rachni to save Grunt when I thought he was going to die. He's basically Shepard's child, and I'd be a poor parent if I let my little tank baby die.

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

I think thats how all the dreams start. Not 100% sure. I know its how the first dream starts at least. It has you looking up at the trees, tricking you into thinking you're looking at a nervous system or something, then it pans down to the Nightmare Park.

Mostly asking because I had the first dream in my new playthrough, and I don't remember this.  I'll be more vigilant next time.

[byne]

Unschuld wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I "let" her die. Problem?

Guess it was because I was tired of her telling half truths/lies about what she was up to, yet expecting me to be completely explicit. Alliance data access: denied.

Jack approves. (+50)

Jack's dead lol (+1000). Never liked having her on my ship, and after I saw the scene on Youtube where she punches you in the face, I had zero regrets about my "oops" moment in ME2.

Jack is awesome. I dont get why so many people dislike her.

[MegumiAzusa]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Humakt83 wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

Uh wow, I just started to replay ME1 again and when you first describe the dream/vision/nightmare (the choices you have to answer Chakwas) you hear voices in the background just like the strange voices in the dreams in ME3, the ones where you can make out some of it.

So all this was planned from the start then?

Wasn't there a theory that Prothean Beacon on Eden Prime was corrupted by Reapers?

There is! And I wouldn't see it as far fetched if most Prothean beacons were corrupted by the Reapers. And why shouldn't they? It's a nice method to find the most promising race for future Reapers.

Another thing is, which was always bothering me:
The images you see are mostly organic material with implants, no pure synthetic/organic stuff.

Another thing I want to add that from the first time one stokes me as odd:
After you had the vision via the beacon on Virmire Nazara said: "... you touch my mind ..." as if it were rather a Reaper artifact to connect to it.

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I might have cried when Ashley got beaten up by Eva, I cried when I thought Grunt might have died

I was fully ready to restart the mission and kill off the rachni to save Grunt when I thought he was going to die. He's basically Shepard's child, and I'd be a poor parent if I let my little tank baby die.

That part of the game still holds the 'most badass moment ever' in my books.  Especially when all he says when he staggers back to the shuttle is "Does anyone have something to eat?"

[Jadebaby]

dreamgazer wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...




Reminds me a lot of.....

https://encrypted-tb...-vT6T2OjNq1PAag

I believe this was an intended visual cue, to suggest that the dreams carry a deeper cerebral/physiological effect than mere dreams.  Had the same thoughts.

If we relate that then onto the tree reflections on the citadel, maybe due to being hit by Harbys laser the spots where the child would have been burning into your brain becomes significantly mulitplied until you don't even recognise it's your world/brain anymore, the only clue being reflections of your nerves where they once stood.
Also, if you look closely, the background looks like it pulsates twice whilst the camera pans across and downward. MaximizedAction was talking about that, was that the specific part you meant?

@ Andromidius, the first dream that was from, the very first image you see before it pans down to the ground.

Modifié par Jade8aby88, 25 juin 2012 - 03:34 .

[Dwailing]

HellishFiend wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

byne wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Come tomorrow morning, I guess I'll find out if holding out for indoc theory was worth the speculation or not.

For me, whether IT is true or not, the speculation will always  have been worth it. 

I agree, and the fact that it is still going on after nearly 4 months is a true credit to it's success as a theory.
The IT didn't just help me to get over the endings, it helped me make a few new friends as well.

haha, that was really corny, so I'm going back to playing ME3 now.

 Indeed I think many of us consider each other friends. Of course, to outsiders, we all look like a bunch of that mad scientist from eden prime in ME1....

Yeah, at this point, I'd say we've reached the Shepard's team level of loyalty to each other.  We might not know each other's complete life's story or anything, but we're a team.

[nightcobra]

byne wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

I might have cried when Ashley got beaten up by Eva, I cried when I thought Grunt might have died

I was fully ready to restart the mission and kill off the rachni to save Grunt when I thought he was going to die. He's basically Shepard's child, and I'd be a poor parent if I let my little tank baby die.

yes, our little boodthirsty baby. brings a tear to the eye.
aww he's thinking about killing turians and salarians, and the time he said he hated turians^_^, my little krogan boy has found his own path, he makes his papa proud.

[paxxton]

Miranda's performance in ME3 is nothing compared to that from ME2. That's a fact. Deal with it.

Modifié par paxxton, 25 juin 2012 - 03:32 .

[Unschuld]

byne wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Come tomorrow morning, I guess I'll find out if holding out for indoc theory was worth the speculation or not.

For me, whether IT is true or not, the speculation will always  have been worth it. 

In a sense yes, I find the speculation worth it regardless. I'd rather do that than fly off the handle and blame Bioware for "ruining my life". Then again, spewing hate and vitriol isn't really my style anyway. This thread has been a much more constructive use of my time and a much more positive catharsis for what I experienced. But if all the clues we put together over the past few months are nothing but smoke and mirrors, or just flat out meaningless, I'll still find it to be a letdown.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

Rifneno wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I "let" her die. Problem?

Guess it was because I was tired of her telling half truths/lies about what she was up to, yet expecting me to be completely explicit. Alliance data access: denied.

Jack approves. (+50)

Jack's dead lol (+1000). Never liked having her on my ship, and after I saw the scene on Youtube where she punches you in the face, I had zero regrets about my "oops" moment in ME2.

Jack is awesome. I dont get why so many people dislike her.

This.  She's awesome.  And besides, in ME3, she became even MORE awesome because she had matured and was no longer the criminal she used to be.

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

Miranda's performance in ME3 is nothing compared to that from ME2. That's a fact. Deal with it.

I do hate to admit it, but Yvonne's voice acting in ME3 wasn't as good as it was in ME2.  It wasn't really BAD necessarily, I don't think anyone's voice acting in ME3 was truly BAD (Yes, Diana Allers included, deal with it.), but it wasn't as good as it was in ME2.

[Unschuld]

byne wrote...
Jack is awesome. I dont get why so many people dislike her.

*shrug*
Well, it's a matter of opinion. I  simply just do not like people with that type of personality. You obviously don't have a problem with it, which isn't a problem because it's your opinion/viewpoint. Not necessarily a bad thing.