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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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ZerebusPrime

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Kaidan Alenko: "Can you feel it, Shepard? Feel the quickening?"

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Andromidius

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Destructorlio wrote...

byne wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Hmmm. Slightly off topic, but I wonder why Mordin didn't sing his song for me... Instead he said 'a bright future, for all of us.' Or something along those lines.

Bizzare, I'm sure he sang last time.


He only sings if you had the conversation where he sang in ME2.


Same here- everyone raved about the time he sang in ME2, and then cried when he sang it again in ME3. I got neither!

Then again, discussing the differences in our playthroughs is one of the joys of the ME series.


Indeed.  And in retrospect I think I prefer him not singing.  His final song is very sad and he sounds frightened, singing to keep himself under control.  In my ending, his final words were strong and hopefuly...  Maybe even happy.  A brighter future, for all of us.

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Does anyone have a link to that image of the Illusive man saying: "But I can't!"

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It's been an honor to participate on this forum and I wish everyone good luck because in the the next five hours this will either be Bioware's rises or it's fall. But I know IT is right I can just feel it. So Stand fast Stand Strong Blaster out.

And when this is all over and IT is proven right we all meet here and we give out one last hora okay friends..

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magnetite wrote...

Something that keeps popping up with me is when Chris Priestly asks Mike Gamble "what do you think of the Indoctrination Theory?", Mike mentions the Extended Cut. Not sure if that's confirmation or just a coincidence.

Mike also states, if people knew what they had planned, they're reaction would be different (Twitter), so either way, there's something that will be good about the Extended Cut.


Do u have a link to the first one?

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L0NEWOLF25 wrote...

Does anyone know who this guy is? or if he can even be trusted? I'm getting the wierd vibe that he is trolling us.
https://twitter.com/...432969386790912


50/50, he legitimately had a copy of DA2 (with a stream to prove it) days before it came out but then lied about having a ME3 copy and trolled us with fake spoilers.

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Going dark for now, not much for speeches so I'll let this song do the talking. Good luck to everyone it's been a hell of a thread, remember to have some fun and kick some Reaper ass.

See you all after work tomorrow, once I've thoroughly played through EC.

Salute.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Anyone want to make any last minute predictions/calls? Aside from the usual stuff like Coats, Starbinger etc, I'm going with:

"Tali's picture" not actually her real face but part of the hallucination. Real face will be revealed later, or possibly not at all.
Anderson indoctrinated, has been since shortly after he arrived in London.
Liara indoctrinated, possibly a sleeper agent since the very start.
Bailey had some involvement with the Cerberus coup.
Anderson was born in London.
Partial hallucinations began immediately after 3rd dream, or right at the start of Cronos station.
Spending too much time at the FOB is bad for you in some way.
London.
Full hallucination starts at the mako crash right before the charge to the beam.
Did I mention London?


This isn't a prediction, but an expectation. I hope they will actually show memories from ME1 and 2 when you get your "gift" from Liara.


Liara a sleeper agent, eh? Where did you get that?
I think it'd be cool if Anderson got indoctrinated. +1 on that.
Bailey for sure.
I didn't notice anything weird on Cronos or Earth up until you launch the missile at the Destroyer after the death swarm, so idk about hallucinations from Cronos.
Anderson was not born in London. :blink:

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Going dark for now, not much for speeches so I'll let this song do the talking. Good luck to everyone it's been a hell of a thread, remember to have some fun and kick some Reaper ass.

See you all after work tomorrow, once I've thoroughly played through EC.

Salute.


*salute*

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Two Steps From Hell eh? Couldn't be more accurate right now. We are literally right at the finish line. And I am all smiles.

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I think while I wait, I'm finally gonna finish DA:O. I've killed the Arch Demon and everything, but there is still more to do I guess. Talking or some crap, but it let me save so I quit, lol. (this was months ago)

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FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Anyone want to make any last minute predictions/calls? Aside from the usual stuff like Coats, Starbinger etc, I'm going with:

"Tali's picture" not actually her real face but part of the hallucination. Real face will be revealed later, or possibly not at all.
Anderson indoctrinated, has been since shortly after he arrived in London.
Liara indoctrinated, possibly a sleeper agent since the very start.
Bailey had some involvement with the Cerberus coup.
Anderson was born in London.
Partial hallucinations began immediately after 3rd dream, or right at the start of Cronos station.
Spending too much time at the FOB is bad for you in some way.
London.
Full hallucination starts at the mako crash right before the charge to the beam.
Did I mention London?


This isn't a prediction, but an expectation. I hope they will actually show memories from ME1 and 2 when you get your "gift" from Liara.


Liara a sleeper agent, eh? Where did you get that?
I think it'd be cool if Anderson got indoctrinated. +1 on that.
Bailey for sure.
I didn't notice anything weird on Cronos or Earth up until you launch the missile at the Destroyer after the death swarm, so idk about hallucinations from Cronos.
Anderson was not born in London. :blink:


Liara's behavior is somewhat suspicious throughout the entire trilogy, IMO. I could go on to list things, but I'll just say that there are dozens of things she says/does/has done that fit the context of her being an indoctrinated sleeper agent. And to cap things off, her behavior in ME3 is very much "off". 

It's a shame that I didnt have time to put out my Cronos hallucination evidence video prior to EC, but there are a lot of things strange on it. But I dont think I need to point them out, since the EC is likely going to point them out for us. ;)

And yes, Anderson was born in London. 

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Long time lurker here. I have followed this thread from about page 200, and I now just finally decided to create a profile. I just wanted to let everyone know how awesome you guys are. Seriously, somebody should give Hellish-Fiend a metal for his infrasound video. So I think that soon enough we will see that IT is for real, and all the trolls will be laid to rest.

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Shepard is speaking to us!

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FellishBeast

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Dancing-Krogan wrote...

Long time lurker here. I have followed this thread from about page 200, and I now just finally decided to create a profile. I just wanted to let everyone know how awesome you guys are. Seriously, somebody should give Hellish-Fiend a metal for his infrasound video. So I think that soon enough we will see that IT is for real, and all the trolls will be laid to rest.


I don't get any credit for inspiring his name? ;)

In all seriousness, good to hear from you! :)

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Liara being a sleeper agent would be a hell of a twist and just what the game needs!. Damn, THAT would be "victory through sacrifice": having to kill one of your most "faithful" team mates (or even love interest) in order to win against the reapers. Shepard's death being a bittersweet ending? na'.. Shepard's death is kind of expected. :P

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HellishFiend

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Dancing-Krogan wrote...

Long time lurker here. I have followed this thread from about page 200, and I now just finally decided to create a profile. I just wanted to let everyone know how awesome you guys are. Seriously, somebody should give Hellish-Fiend a metal for his infrasound video. So I think that soon enough we will see that IT is for real, and all the trolls will be laid to rest.


Thank you! I'm glad to have played my part in the theory. :)

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FellishBeast

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HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Anyone want to make any last minute predictions/calls? Aside from the usual stuff like Coats, Starbinger etc, I'm going with:

"Tali's picture" not actually her real face but part of the hallucination. Real face will be revealed later, or possibly not at all.
Anderson indoctrinated, has been since shortly after he arrived in London.
Liara indoctrinated, possibly a sleeper agent since the very start.
Bailey had some involvement with the Cerberus coup.
Anderson was born in London.
Partial hallucinations began immediately after 3rd dream, or right at the start of Cronos station.
Spending too much time at the FOB is bad for you in some way.
London.
Full hallucination starts at the mako crash right before the charge to the beam.
Did I mention London?


This isn't a prediction, but an expectation. I hope they will actually show memories from ME1 and 2 when you get your "gift" from Liara.


Liara a sleeper agent, eh? Where did you get that?
I think it'd be cool if Anderson got indoctrinated. +1 on that.
Bailey for sure.
I didn't notice anything weird on Cronos or Earth up until you launch the missile at the Destroyer after the death swarm, so idk about hallucinations from Cronos.
Anderson was not born in London. :blink:


Liara's behavior is somewhat suspicious throughout the entire trilogy, IMO. I could go on to list things, but I'll just say that there are dozens of things she says/does/has done that fit the context of her being an indoctrinated sleeper agent. And to cap things off, her behavior in ME3 is very much "off". 

It's a shame that I didnt have time to put out my Cronos hallucination evidence video prior to EC, but there are a lot of things strange on it. But I dont think I need to point them out, since the EC is likely going to point them out for us. ;)

And yes, Anderson was born in London. 


Hm. I didn't know we had examples of sleeper agents. I'm interested to hear your arguments for that, cause she's like the lady Garrus, and Garrus could never be indoctrinated. That would be too much. :unsure:

I'm also interested in Cronos Stations hallucinations. I was specifically looking while I played through the other day and all I noticed were the color schemes and the similarity to the "Citadel Tower" :blink:

NO WE WASN'T. NONONONO. LALALALALANOTLISTENINGNOTLISTENINGLALALALALA:pinched:

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Jade8aby88 wrote...

Do u have a link to the first one?


Mass Effect 3 Pax 2012 panel

It's at around the 16:10 mark.

Mike also says "to let the content (EC DLC) speak for itself". Followed by "that's all I'm saying", and he flails his arms in the air.

Probably one of the reasons they say "we don't want to comment either way" or "won't confirm or deny the IT" is that they are probably just trying to build suspense. If they said that Shepard was indeed indoctrinated, then people would say "oh, so now I know how the EC is going to turn out".

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With the EC coming tomorrow, what are your thoughts now?

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Let's just pretend IT isn't true. I'm still going with it. To date it's the most concrete piece of evidence to explain why the ending is the way it is.

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FellishBeast wrote...

Hm. I didn't know we had examples of sleeper agents. I'm interested to hear your arguments for that, cause she's like the lady Garrus, and Garrus could never be indoctrinated. That would be too much. :unsure:

I'm also interested in Cronos Stations hallucinations. I was specifically looking while I played through the other day and all I noticed were the color schemes and the similarity to the "Citadel Tower" :blink:

NO WE WASN'T. NONONONO. LALALALALANOTLISTENINGNOTLISTENINGLALALALALA:pinched:


Assuming I'm right about Liara being a sleeper agent, I'll point out all the things I noticed that the EC does not call attention to (assuming the EC wraps up her story). 

London. :devil:

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 Does anybody actually enjoy doing a renegade play through of ME3? I'm currently trying one right now on my third game. After shooting Padok Wiks and Ashley I really don't want to continue on this journey of antagonism. :unsure:

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I did not enjoy some of the stuff I had to do. I was pure 100% renegade from the start on one playthrough (ME1+2 import). Next time around, I don't mind going paragrade. Pushing someone out a window has no effect on the ending, as long as the rest of it is paragon.

Modifié par magnetite, 26 juin 2012 - 03:29 .


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magnetite wrote...

Let's just pretend IT isn't true. I'm still going with it. To date it's the most concrete piece of evidence to explain why the ending is the way it is.


Seriously, if the ending was literal I cannot understand how Bioware could have three fantastic games wth great storylines just explode at the end with some space :wizard: shiz-ola