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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#28801
Rifneno

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So I shouldn't bother playing MP right now for my EMS since I have 2,100 points from promotions and 81% GR at the moment? ... =/

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HellishFiend

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Starbuck8 wrote...

@HellishFiend - Excellent job on the new vid! So much emotions seeing scenes from the game compiled in that way, coupled with the music. Wow!


Thanks! Had a blast putting it together. Glad you enjoyed. :happy: And since I managed to get it out before the EC, it stands as a tribute to ALL of our hard work as a team putting the thematic clues together as evidence. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

BlazingZephyr wrote...

Possible bad news guys:

Michael Gamble wrote...

If you replay (as suggested) from before the attack on Cerberus Base, i believe the required EMS is ~3100 to see all the scenes. That should allow you to see everything even without MP (6200 Assets@ 50% readiness rating)

That should answer the question on the thread.


"Shepard Lives" scene requires 5000 EMS (I believe). Does that mean nothing comes after it?


They are lowering the EMS requirement (so MP isn't necessary or as necessary). The effect takes place upon installing the EC.


Keep in mind that you never needed more than 3100 EMS (I think the minimum was 2800) to get the Synthesis option. I'm sticking by the opinion that the Breath scene was extraneous and not a direct impact on the ending itself (though saving/not saving Anderson probably still plays a big part).


Yeah they've been a bit vague on that. Gamble did say to see "all scenes". Not sure if he meant EC scenes or EC + original scenes. :huh:

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Rifneno wrote...

So I shouldn't bother playing MP right now for my EMS since I have 2,100 points from promotions and 81% GR at the moment? ... =/


I think as long as your EMS is above 3100 you will "qualify" for all the EC scenes that your decisions enable you to receive. Just an educated guess, though. I may play some MP in a bit just to kill time, honestly. I've always played it just for fun....

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Rifneno wrote...

So I shouldn't bother playing MP right now for my EMS since I have 2,100 points from promotions and 81% GR at the moment? ... =/


I'm just going to get mine to 5000, to be safe...:?

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HellishFiend wrote...

Anyone want to make any last minute predictions/calls? Aside from the usual stuff like Coats, Starbinger etc, I'm going with:

"Tali's picture" not actually her real face but part of the hallucination. Real face will be revealed later, or possibly not at all.
Anderson indoctrinated, has been since shortly after he arrived in London.
Liara indoctrinated, possibly a sleeper agent since the very start.
Bailey had some involvement with the Cerberus coup.
Anderson was born in London.
Partial hallucinations began immediately after 3rd dream, or right at the start of Cronos station.
Spending too much time at the FOB is bad for you in some way.
London.
Full hallucination starts at the mako crash right before the charge to the beam.
Did I mention London?


Nice: I've suspected Liara from the beginning, but her behavior could be a red herring.

You know; the UK was stuck in Shepard's head just before Alliance HQ was hit.

"UK headquarters is reporting in sir."

Suddenly this jump to London makes some sense.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 26 juin 2012 - 05:03 .


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sitting pretty with 100% GR and 6600+ tms

turns out the geth infiltrator is OP at melee :D

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Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Anyone want to make any last minute predictions/calls? Aside from the usual stuff like Coats, Starbinger etc, I'm going with:

"Tali's picture" not actually her real face but part of the hallucination. Real face will be revealed later, or possibly not at all.
Anderson indoctrinated, has been since shortly after he arrived in London.
Liara indoctrinated, possibly a sleeper agent since the very start.
Bailey had some involvement with the Cerberus coup.
Anderson was born in London.
Partial hallucinations began immediately after 3rd dream, or right at the start of Cronos station.
Spending too much time at the FOB is bad for you in some way.
London.
Full hallucination starts at the mako crash right before the charge to the beam.
Did I mention London?


Nice: I've suspected Liara from the beginning, but her behavior could be a red herring.

You know; the UK was stuck in Shepard's head just before Alliance HQ was hit.

"UK headquarters is reporting in sir."

Suddenly this jump to London makes some sense.


Yep it was actually the convo we had the other day via PM about Liara that finally sold me on thinking she is a sleeper agent. I was on the fence prior. 

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GraphicOps wrote...



Shepard is speaking to us!

Why has Kelly overtaken Shepards place?

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Hellish,

Just thought I would tell you that I had a hard time comprehending your signature, must be the color choices, oh the memories... ;)

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HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

@HellishFiend - Excellent job on the new vid! So much emotions seeing scenes from the game compiled in that way, coupled with the music. Wow!


Thanks! Had a blast putting it together. Glad you enjoyed. :happy: And since I managed to get it out before the EC, it stands as a tribute to ALL of our hard work as a team putting the thematic clues together as evidence. 


Is it the one in your sig?

#28812
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off topic but tfs dbz abridged 30 part 3 is up.

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HellishFiend

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delldo wrote...

Hellish,

Just thought I would tell you that I had a hard time comprehending your signature, must be the color choices, oh the memories... ;)


LOL! Nice. Starbinger/Bioware has forever traumatized us regarding color coordinated choices. :lol:


BleedingUranium wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

@HellishFiend - Excellent job on the new vid! So much emotions seeing scenes from the game compiled in that way, coupled with the music. Wow!


Thanks! Had a blast putting it together. Glad you enjoyed. Posted Image And since I managed to get it out before the EC, it stands as a tribute to ALL of our hard work as a team putting the thematic clues together as evidence. 


Is it the one in your sig?


Yep! 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 26 juin 2012 - 05:14 .


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senshi420 wrote...

sitting pretty with 100% GR and 6600+ tms

turns out the geth infiltrator is OP at melee :D


Indeeeeed. Fun being a walking grenade. ^_^

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FellishBeast wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

sitting pretty with 100% GR and 6600+ tms

turns out the geth infiltrator is OP at melee :D


Indeeeeed. Fun being an invisible walking grenade. ^_^


i corrected you a bit.-_-

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HellishFiend wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Anyone want to make any last minute predictions/calls? Aside from the usual stuff like Coats, Starbinger etc, I'm going with:

"Tali's picture" not actually her real face but part of the hallucination. Real face will be revealed later, or possibly not at all.
Anderson indoctrinated, has been since shortly after he arrived in London.
Liara indoctrinated, possibly a sleeper agent since the very start.
Bailey had some involvement with the Cerberus coup.
Anderson was born in London.
Partial hallucinations began immediately after 3rd dream, or right at the start of Cronos station.
Spending too much time at the FOB is bad for you in some way.
London.
Full hallucination starts at the mako crash right before the charge to the beam.
Did I mention London?


Nice: I've suspected Liara from the beginning, but her behavior could be a red herring.

You know; the UK was stuck in Shepard's head just before Alliance HQ was hit.

"UK headquarters is reporting in sir."

Suddenly this jump to London makes some sense.


Yep it was actually the convo we had the other day via PM about Liara that finally sold me on thinking she is a sleeper agent. I was on the fence prior. 


It'd be super awesome if you explained!! :P

Also, did anyone ever debunk or figure out what that message you get from the VS is for after you beat the game? Was that a glitch?

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Well we are in the final stretch for EC. Only about 3 hours 45 minutes to go. If you haven't read my Waking Nightmare Theory, you should before it possibly becomes irrelevant.

http://social.biowar...87/blog/214350/

Just know if this portion of IT is true, I posted it first!! Anyway. See ya guys on the other side!! ^_^;) Night!!

#28818
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FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yep it was actually the convo we had the other day via PM about Liara that finally sold me on thinking she is a sleeper agent. I was on the fence prior. 


It'd be super awesome if you explained!! :P

Also, did anyone ever debunk or figure out what that message you get from the VS is for after you beat the game? Was that a glitch?


No, it was never debunked or "figured out" beyond the current assumption that it is a clue for IT. As far as I know it was never acknowledged by Bioware either, which just contributes to my suspicion. 

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HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yep it was actually the convo we had the other day via PM about Liara that finally sold me on thinking she is a sleeper agent. I was on the fence prior. 


It'd be super awesome if you explained!! :P

Also, did anyone ever debunk or figure out what that message you get from the VS is for after you beat the game? Was that a glitch?


No, it was never debunked or "figured out" beyond the current assumption that it is a clue for IT. As far as I know it was never acknowledged by Bioware either, which just contributes to my suspicion. 


Okay, cause most literalists were saying it was supposed to send at the beginning of the game, but then people brought up a good point that Shep hadn't talked to the VS at all since Horizon, so sending a text or w.e like that would just be odd.

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Yup, I see the color choices everywhere... There are even color choices in the bar in that virtual reality chair thing that alternate back and forth... Also after running around on the crew deck and hearing the pitter patter of insects, I decided to go down in the depths of engineering to collect my models and that damn space gerbal scared the crap out of me, I really jumped and cursed... My wife wants me committed now because of this game...

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HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yep it was actually the convo we had the other day via PM about Liara that finally sold me on thinking she is a sleeper agent. I was on the fence prior. 


It'd be super awesome if you explained!! :P

Also, did anyone ever debunk or figure out what that message you get from the VS is for after you beat the game? Was that a glitch?


No, it was never debunked or "figured out" beyond the current assumption that it is a clue for IT. As far as I know it was never acknowledged by Bioware either, which just contributes to my suspicion. 


Could someone give me a link to that or quote it to me what it says??

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Turbo_J wrote...

You know; the UK was stuck in Shepard's head just before Alliance HQ was hit.

"UK headquarters is reporting in sir."

Suddenly this jump to London makes some sense.


How sad is it that I've played through so many times I immediately thought, "it's "UK headquarters has a visual"?  :(  Anyway, that actually makes sense if the Reapers were concentrating on London for some reason we don't yet know.  Makes sense it'd be the first city hit (well, by a matter of seconds).  Or it could just be that London was the closest major city from the direction the Reapers arrived in.
Where was Emily Wong?  Los Angeles I think?  Anyone remember if her tweet-based story told us when they were hit in comparison to anywhere else?  I know she mentioned the dreadnought being taken down over Vancouver.
While unlikely, it could also be as simple as the Alliance or whoever keeping the bulk of humanity's thermonuclear weapons in the UK.  Those are probably the only conventional weapons that strike fear into the black hole where a capital ship should have a heart.  Udina mentioned they were first strike targets.

Speaking of Reapers on Earth, I just thought of another physics problem with the ending.  I know, I know.  There's already so many.  But the destroy ending shows the Reapers dropping dead and falling, right?  If they were dead, their mass effect fields would be down.  How do I put this...  Holy mother of God, do you know the impact a capital ship would make if it fell on Earth at full mass?  Remember in Jurassic Park where there were those impact tremors when a T-Rex walked?  A T-Rex is like an ant compared to a capital ship.  Those soldiers celebrating not only wouldn't be on their feet, they'd probably be thrown a few yards by the shockwave!

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TJBartlemus wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Yep it was actually the convo we had the other day via PM about Liara that finally sold me on thinking she is a sleeper agent. I was on the fence prior. 


It'd be super awesome if you explained!! :P

Also, did anyone ever debunk or figure out what that message you get from the VS is for after you beat the game? Was that a glitch?


No, it was never debunked or "figured out" beyond the current assumption that it is a clue for IT. As far as I know it was never acknowledged by Bioware either, which just contributes to my suspicion. 


Could someone give me a link to that or quote it to me what it says??


http://masseffect.wi...t:_Datapad)#Ash 
http://masseffect.wi...Datapad)#Kaidan 

Look at the last line for each. They send after you beat the game. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 26 juin 2012 - 05:24 .


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Since it's slow right now, I'll just mention this.

My boyfriend is finally playing his first ME3 playthrough, unspoiled. Sometimes I can't stand watching him play because he skips dialogue sometimes (on a first playthrough, how could youuuuu) and other things lol. Anyway, when he gets to the vent boy scene, he says "your hallucinating Shepard!" and then when he gets to the 2nd dream he says "oh no, am I being indoctrinated? I am, aren't I?" I'm like =] trying not to say anything!

Wth, how does he notice this on a first playthrough. I feel dumb. :lol:

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delldo wrote...

Yup, I see the color choices everywhere... There are even color choices in the bar in that virtual reality chair thing that alternate back and forth... Also after running around on the crew deck and hearing the pitter patter of insects, I decided to go down in the depths of engineering to collect my models and that damn space gerbal scared the crap out of me, I really jumped and cursed... My wife wants me committed now because of this game...


At least you havent started hearing faint laughter off in the distance everywhere you go. That would be creepy. :?