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[senshi420]

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

i face a dilemma, I havn't beat the game yet on the xbox im on, im at priority cerberus hq...do i finish the game now? or wait the 3 hours and do the virgin playthrough with the EC installed? thoughts? think it'll matter? technically i lack a legend save dont i?.

The EC will most likely load only from the LegendSave (so first timers will have an opportunity to see the original ending spoiler-free), so I would go ahead and finish it now. Great way to kill the last few hours before the EC, anyway!

Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure you'll get the EC ending the first time around...won't you? That would just be too obvious, to me. 

thats what i was thinking, using it as maybe a control of sorts...seeing if there is any difference.
i mean how many non completed game saves do we have, with no completes on it at all i mean.
not many i imagine.

Modifié par senshi420, 26 juin 2012 - 05:40 .

[Makrys]

FellishBeast wrote...

Makrys wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Just dropping in to say, I replayed the ending again today for the first time since my initial playthrough. Wanted to experience things one last time before the EC.

The beam was really fishy. It was the biggest 'oddity' I noticed. I was really paying attention to everything as best I could. And the whole scene when Shepard gets hit with Harby's laser really screamed 'dream!' to me. To be honest... it did. 

It just... didn't feel right. The noise. The music as it hits you. The way it fades to white, and then fades from black back in. How blurry it was when you get up. The high pitched 'whurring' sounds that were so similar to the nightmares. It was just... weird. That whole transition scene really DID seem like a dream beginning to me. 

Another thing that once again leaped out at me... after the TIM confrontation Shep stumbles and crawls to the elevator before passing out. He's obviously losing blood and fading quickly. Yet, again  we see the screen fade to white, and then Shep reaches the decision chamber and stands up like he's ok all of the sudden. This immediately made me think of something...

Inception. I've heard that apparently someone at Bioware said they were trying to go for a Matrix/Inception style ending. Anyone else heard this? Anyway... moving on. It made sense. I immediately though, 'this is really weird. Shepard JUST passed out from his injuries, yet we see him fall asleep again, and again wake up but this time even less injured'... Maybe... it was a hallucination inside a hallucination?

Like, maybe when he passed out in the first hallucination, he went deeper into the dream. In Inception, when you are injured in a dream, if you go a lever deeper in the dream world you're injury is minimized. You're still hurt, but not as bad as before. It seemed this same concept was in place with the decision chamber scene. Just a moment ago, Shep is bleeding out, now he's standing up right and can even take on a full sprint or walk depending on your choice. That... makes no sense. 

Just some things I noticed today.

Fingers crossed for tomorrow. Dammit... some form of the IT better be true. Otherwise, nothing makes sense. I don't see how they explain it.

*sigh* Its going to be a loooong 3 1/2 hours.

Am I having deja vu? 

Maybe?? Same thing happen to you today?

I thought I'd read this before..

Ah, yeah. I went back and checked just now. Basically I wrote this 5 hours ago, and literally as I was hitting submit we lost power (tropical storm tearing up florida). So, after 5 hrs of no power, I came back and rebooted my pc to find it had saved my text... so I figured it didn't submit it earlier, and just submitted it again.

Didn't mean to double post. 

[Andromidius]

Thought I saw that before too!

[HellishFiend]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

And then there's that part with Ash/Kaidan after Citadel II where they ask Shepard how you fight something that worms its way into your head like that, and the camera really zooms in on Shepard while she answers.

Foreshadowing, much?

Aside from direct foreshadowing like that, there is also a ****-ton of indirect foreshadowing via symbolism and theme. I highlighted as much of it as I could in my Choose Wisely video. If I had to pick one that stands out the most, it would be Sacrifice. Sacrifice is highlighted as a virtue in the name of a greater future numerous times throughout ME3.  

Bottom line is, Destroy is the only option that does not violate a single one of the established themes. The other two choices violate them ad nauseum. 

With how much direct AND indirect clues that point towards the conclusion of IT, it shocks me to think that anyone still believes in the literal interpretation. 

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Since it's slow right now, I'll just mention this.

My boyfriend is finally playing his first ME3 playthrough, unspoiled. Sometimes I can't stand watching him play because he skips dialogue sometimes (on a first playthrough, how could youuuuu) and other things lol. Anyway, when he gets to the vent boy scene, he says "your hallucinating Shepard!" and then when he gets to the 2nd dream he says "oh no, am I being indoctrinated? I am, aren't I?" I'm like trying not to say anything!

Wth, how does he notice this on a first playthrough. I feel dumb.

As a guy, I can tell you that it's quite likely he actually knows about IT and is just pulling your leg by making you think he's figuring it out on his own. Thats totally a guy thing to do. 

That's not true!

(SHHH! Don't let them know our secret!)

[FellishBeast]

Rifneno wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Am I having deja vu? 

I was born in London...

Really?

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

And then there's that part with Ash/Kaidan after Citadel II where they ask Shepard how you fight something that worms its way into your head like that, and the camera really zooms in on Shepard while she answers.

Foreshadowing, much?

Aside from direct foreshadowing like that, there is also a ****-ton of indirect foreshadowing via symbolism and theme. I highlighted as much of it as I could in my Choose Wisely video. If I had to pick one that stands out the most, it would be Sacrifice. Sacrifice is highlighted as a virtue in the name of a greater future numerous times throughout ME3.  

Bottom line is, Destroy is the only option that does not violate a single one of the established themes. The other two choices violate them ad nauseum. 

With how much direct AND indirect clues that point towards the conclusion of IT, it shocks me to think that anyone still believes in the literal interpretation. 

We'll find out what Bioware believes in about 3 hours.

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

i face a dilemma, I havn't beat the game yet on the xbox im on, im at priority cerberus hq...do i finish the game now? or wait the 3 hours and do the virgin playthrough with the EC installed? thoughts? think it'll matter? technically i lack a legend save dont i?.

The EC will most likely load only from the LegendSave (so first timers will have an opportunity to see the original ending spoiler-free), so I would go ahead and finish it now. Great way to kill the last few hours before the EC, anyway!

Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure you'll get the EC ending the first time around...won't you? That would just be too obvious, to me. 

Well, picture someone buying the game for the first time next month. To see what all the fuss is about. They download all the available DLC (including the EC), and do their first playthrough, spoiler free. They get to the final stretch, starting with Cronos, now what would Bioware prefer them to experience first? The EC that spoils the true nature of the ending? Or the original ending that preserves the mystery and allows you to experience the first-person perspective of indoctrination as intended? The EC isnt going anywhere. No reason why it needs to spoil anyone's first playthrough on their initial run...

[FellishBeast]

I asked Gamble about the VS message, just for the heck of it. He won't respond...but if he does......omgogmomgogmogmgomgomgomgmgomgogmogmogm *schoolgirl squeal*

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Since it's slow right now, I'll just mention this.

My boyfriend is finally playing his first ME3 playthrough, unspoiled. Sometimes I can't stand watching him play because he skips dialogue sometimes (on a first playthrough, how could youuuuu) and other things lol. Anyway, when he gets to the vent boy scene, he says "your hallucinating Shepard!" and then when he gets to the 2nd dream he says "oh no, am I being indoctrinated? I am, aren't I?" I'm like trying not to say anything!

Wth, how does he notice this on a first playthrough. I feel dumb.

As a guy, I can tell you that it's quite likely he actually knows about IT and is just pulling your leg by making you think he's figuring it out on his own. Thats totally a guy thing to do. 

That's not true!

(SHHH! Don't let them know our secret!)

Sorry, at this point in time my loyalty to my fellow BSN IT community members outweights my loyalty to the guy code.  At least for the next few hours....

[FellishBeast]

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

i face a dilemma, I havn't beat the game yet on the xbox im on, im at priority cerberus hq...do i finish the game now? or wait the 3 hours and do the virgin playthrough with the EC installed? thoughts? think it'll matter? technically i lack a legend save dont i?.

The EC will most likely load only from the LegendSave (so first timers will have an opportunity to see the original ending spoiler-free), so I would go ahead and finish it now. Great way to kill the last few hours before the EC, anyway!

Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure you'll get the EC ending the first time around...won't you? That would just be too obvious, to me. 

Well, picture someone buying the game for the first time next month. To see what all the fuss is about. They download all the available DLC (including the EC), and do their first playthrough, spoiler free. They get to the final stretch, starting with Cronos, now what would Bioware prefer them to experience first? The EC that spoils the true nature of the ending? Or the original ending that preserves the mystery and allows you to experience the first-person perspective of indoctrination as intended? The EC isnt going anywhere. No reason why it needs to spoil anyone's first playthrough on their initial run...

Well, because from a non-IT perspective, the EC is just a more complete version of the current ending. No need to make them go through a less complete version.

If it is IT, however, then yeah, that makes perfect sense.

I just thought they would have mentioned that it had to be a completed playthrough or w.e.

What is LegendSave, exactly? It happens after you beat the game, not before? Sorry if I'm behind on this topic..

[Auralius Carolus]

Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

And then there's that part with Ash/Kaidan after Citadel II where they ask Shepard how you fight something that worms its way into your head like that, and the camera really zooms in on Shepard while she answers.

Foreshadowing, much?

Aside from direct foreshadowing like that, there is also a ****-ton of indirect foreshadowing via symbolism and theme. I highlighted as much of it as I could in my Choose Wisely video. If I had to pick one that stands out the most, it would be Sacrifice. Sacrifice is highlighted as a virtue in the name of a greater future numerous times throughout ME3.  

Bottom line is, Destroy is the only option that does not violate a single one of the established themes. The other two choices violate them ad nauseum. 

With how much direct AND indirect clues that point towards the conclusion of IT, it shocks me to think that anyone still believes in the literal interpretation. 

We'll find out what Bioware believes in about 3 hours.

Get your hayforks and torches! Hayforks and torches! Perfect for your ME3 SHTF scenario!

[EpyonX3]

Rifneno wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

Am I having deja vu? 

I was born in London...

London....

[infinite_regress]

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

i face a dilemma, I havn't beat the game yet on the xbox im on, im at priority cerberus hq...do i finish the game now? or wait the 3 hours and do the virgin playthrough with the EC installed? thoughts? think it'll matter? technically i lack a legend save dont i?.

The EC will most likely load only from the LegendSave (so first timers will have an opportunity to see the original ending spoiler-free), so I would go ahead and finish it now. Great way to kill the last few hours before the EC, anyway!

Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure you'll get the EC ending the first time around...won't you? That would just be too obvious, to me. 

I was actually wondering about that, too, mainly because of the way they phrase it on the bioware blog: "To experience the Extended Cut, load a save game from before the attack on the Cerberus Base and play through to the end of the game." 

[Rifneno]

HellishFiend wrote...

Sorry, at this point in time my loyalty to my fellow BSN IT community members outweights my loyalty to the guy code.  At least for the next few hours....

I'm reminded of this pic...

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Since it's slow right now, I'll just mention this.

My boyfriend is finally playing his first ME3 playthrough, unspoiled. Sometimes I can't stand watching him play because he skips dialogue sometimes (on a first playthrough, how could youuuuu) and other things lol. Anyway, when he gets to the vent boy scene, he says "your hallucinating Shepard!" and then when he gets to the 2nd dream he says "oh no, am I being indoctrinated? I am, aren't I?" I'm like trying not to say anything!

Wth, how does he notice this on a first playthrough. I feel dumb.

As a guy, I can tell you that it's quite likely he actually knows about IT and is just pulling your leg by making you think he's figuring it out on his own. Thats totally a guy thing to do. 

That's not true!

(SHHH! Don't let them know our secret!)

Sorry, at this point in time my loyalty to my fellow BSN IT community members outweights my loyalty to the guy code.  At least for the next few hours....

Well next few hours it's going to get very hairy. There will be many codes broken.

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Well, picture someone buying the game for the first time next month. To see what all the fuss is about. They download all the available DLC (including the EC), and do their first playthrough, spoiler free. They get to the final stretch, starting with Cronos, now what would Bioware prefer them to experience first? The EC that spoils the true nature of the ending? Or the original ending that preserves the mystery and allows you to experience the first-person perspective of indoctrination as intended? The EC isnt going anywhere. No reason why it needs to spoil anyone's first playthrough on their initial run...

Well, because from a non-IT perspective, the EC is just a more complete version of the current ending. No need to make them go through a less complete version.

If it is IT, however, then yeah, that makes perfect sense.

I just thought they would have mentioned that it had to be a completed playthrough or w.e.

What is LegendSave, exactly? It happens after you beat the game, not before? Sorry if I'm behind on this topic..

It's too late in the ball game for me to be giving stock to the face value interpretation any longer. My infamous phrase "in the face value context" has been shelved indefinitely, pending the results of my EC playthrough. 


LegendSave is, as far as we could tell, a hidden save the game makes for you after you beat the game. It's placed just before Cronos station. 

[HellishFiend]

infinite_regress wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

i face a dilemma, I havn't beat the game yet on the xbox im on, im at priority cerberus hq...do i finish the game now? or wait the 3 hours and do the virgin playthrough with the EC installed? thoughts? think it'll matter? technically i lack a legend save dont i?.

The EC will most likely load only from the LegendSave (so first timers will have an opportunity to see the original ending spoiler-free), so I would go ahead and finish it now. Great way to kill the last few hours before the EC, anyway!

Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure you'll get the EC ending the first time around...won't you? That would just be too obvious, to me. 

I was actually wondering about that, too, mainly because of the way they phrase it on the bioware blog: "To experience the Extended Cut, load a save game from before the attack on the Cerberus Base and play through to the end of the game." 

Put yourself in Bioware's shoes for a minute... If you had to answer that question truthfully without spoiling the mystery? How would you word it?

[Starbuck8]

FellishBeast wrote...

I asked Gamble about the VS message, just for the heck of it. He won't respond...but if he does......omgogmomgogmogmgomgomgomgmgomgogmogmogm *schoolgirl squeal*

I'll keep an eye out on his feed then. haha. Oh did you see the comment about the music? Sounds like there might be new music in the EC

[Destructorlio]

Destructorlio wrote...

Does anyone have a link to that image of the Illusive man saying: "But I can't!"

C'mon, help a brother out, peeps.

FellishBeast wrote...

What is LegendSave, exactly? It happens after you beat the game, not before? Sorry if I'm behind on this topic..

 

When you first finish ME3, it dumps you back into the Normandy, right before the Cerberus mission, and saves the game. This is the legendsave. It seems to have been build specifically for the EC.



No traction on this image? C'mon, I thought it was funny!

[EpyonX3]

Alright it's time for bed and EC tomorrow morning. I leave you guys with this!

Good night!

Modifié par EpyonX3, 26 juin 2012 - 05:57 .

[Destructorlio]

infinite_regress wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

i face a dilemma, I havn't beat the game yet on the xbox im on, im at priority cerberus hq...do i finish the game now? or wait the 3 hours and do the virgin playthrough with the EC installed? thoughts? think it'll matter? technically i lack a legend save dont i?.

The EC will most likely load only from the LegendSave (so first timers will have an opportunity to see the original ending spoiler-free), so I would go ahead and finish it now. Great way to kill the last few hours before the EC, anyway!

Are you sure about that? I'm pretty sure you'll get the EC ending the first time around...won't you? That would just be too obvious, to me. 

I was actually wondering about that, too, mainly because of the way they phrase it on the bioware blog: "To experience the Extended Cut, load a save game from before the attack on the Cerberus Base and play through to the end of the game." 

No, it's been confirmed on twitter that it will incorporate itself into ANY save- just like any DLC. You don't need to go back to legendsave (although you may miss one or two scenes if you don't redo Cerberus)

Modifié par Destructorlio, 26 juin 2012 - 05:56 .

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Alright it's time for bed and EC tomorrow morning. I leave you guys with this!

God night!

Cheers!

[Big Bad]

So, when the EC comes out, I will be sleeping. And then I will be working and won't be able to play until tomorrow night. I know this is kind of asking a lot, but would some of you be willing to PM me your spoiler-free reactions sometime tomorrow? I might go a little insane, otherwise!

[TJBartlemus]

HellishFiend wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

And then there's that part with Ash/Kaidan after Citadel II where they ask Shepard how you fight something that worms its way into your head like that, and the camera really zooms in on Shepard while she answers.

Foreshadowing, much?

Aside from direct foreshadowing like that, there is also a ****-ton of indirect foreshadowing via symbolism and theme. I highlighted as much of it as I could in my Choose Wisely video. If I had to pick one that stands out the most, it would be Sacrifice. Sacrifice is highlighted as a virtue in the name of a greater future numerous times throughout ME3.  

Bottom line is, Destroy is the only option that does not violate a single one of the established themes. The other two choices violate them ad nauseum. 

With how much direct AND indirect clues that point towards the conclusion of IT, it shocks me to think that anyone still believes in the literal interpretation. 

I know I said "Night" earlier but I couldn't get to sleep. Too excited. I found it strange on how Starchild presents the choices. 2 things really. The tone and order. He presents the choices from worst to best. Destroy-bad. Control-okay. Synthesis- YES YES pick this one!!! Really synthesis is the only one he explains and seems to support. On the others he has one sentance. Synthesis he has about 3. It's also the last so it's the one on your mind when you make your choice.

Anyway. I should get off before the trolls start to show up... Until I play EC, all I can say is read Waking Nightmare Theory, HOLD THE LINE, and don't let the trolls get to you. Hope for the best!!! :DB)