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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#2876
Parabolee77

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Rifneno wrote...

Except:

1. Given an infinite timespan, the Reapers are meaningless because eventually something would beat them.
2. It's generally accepted that the universe has a finite lifespan.  There's quite a few scientific theories on how it will end, but it's more a "which one will make it to the finish line first" than an "are any of these really possible?" thing.
3. Even if the universe itself won't die, we'll eventually be without stars.  The gas clouds that form them are finite.  One day, there will be no stars.  Try to imagine organic life surviving without stars.
4. Scientists also theorize that time is finite.  In a few billion years, everything will stop.  Forever.  Time itself will be over.

Need I go on?  There's lots of ways things can end before synthetics go Skynet on us.  So no, it is not inevitable.  You can't kill something that's already dead.


I'm a bit of a time-junkie and I have to tell you that your logic here is wrong. Hate to do it as I am very fond of you :)

I have read many books and papers on this subject. I'm a little obsessed. 

You see your statements about time are wrong. Time is not finite, the very idea is absurd if you take it to it's logical conclusion. It's a very complex subject and some scientists are clueless about it, but I will always defer to the main man on this subject.

Albert Einstien said "To differentiate between past, present and future is merely an illusion. No matter how persistant".

Translation = time is an illussion. Or at least in the way we like to conceptualize it.

Let me put it this way. You state "everything will stop.  Forever". Think about that for a second. Everything will stop for how long? "Forever"? Ok so time will cease to exists for... an infintite amount of time? :)

No they were on the right track, you see all logic does begin to callapse when applied to linear things. If you think about infinity and it's implications for long enough you will either go mad, or become enlightened :)

There can never be a time where there is no time. There can never be an amount of time were time does not exist.

The problem is that you are trying to apply linear thinking to a non-linear concept.

Time is infinite, and becasue of that eveything else is also. However it is because of the illusion of how we percieve time (a false past/present/future division) that things appear to be anything other than infinite.

To use another geat quote - "If the doore of perception were cleansed every thing would appear to man as it is, infinite."

Hoevere your point about not applying this logic to Mass Effect as it will acollapse all logic stands strong :)

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paxxton wrote...

Who's Leliana?

Dragon Age character... take a pic(k):
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paxxton wrote...

Who's Leliana?


Redheaded French Orlesian bard in Dragon Age: Origins. Best LI in DA:O imo.

Megumi beat me to using my original pic. I shall alter it and use her DA2 pic instead.

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She's like the only DA:O char that appeared in DA2 who didnt come off looking uglier in the second game.

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byne wrote...

Best LI in DA:O imo.

This I can very well agree on. I fall for her every time.

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paxxton wrote...

Who's Leliana?

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Arian Dynas

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I find it hilarious that we all answered with pictures, lol.

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paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

1: We're talking about the literal endings, aye? [/qoute]

I wrote a disclaimer in one of the posts.

byne wrote...

Destroy destroys the Reapers. It only destroys all tech if your EMS is low.

And what about synthetic life? It's destroyed. What is life then? Ah,yes.
Technology can also be wiped out as someone sugggested.

byne wrote...

>wants to use the Crucible

No, he doesn't.

byne wrote...

>take too long to choose and the Reapers destroy the Crucible

Attempt on preserving the cycle.

byne wrote...

3: So are you saying submission is preferable to extinction?

Is control of the Reapers submission to them? No.

byne wrote...
4: The Reapers are not machines with codes as we understand them. They are the amalgamation of hundreds of thousands of harvested organics. Whether their 'programs' can be changed at all is a complete unknown. Choosing control just because you think they can is taking a gamble with every life in the galaxy just because you have a hunch.

I oversimplified that. They are considered evil for what they did. But Control gives you the opportunity to change their behavior for the better.





Uhhuh, yeah, whatever...............those poor misunderstood big-baddies need a hugPosted Image.

irregardless of personal opinion, the Reapers are still alive, programmed to REAP!!! Posted Image

The only option IS TO DESTROY them, not molly-coddle them. Posted Image

Friggen' progressive society, and the tree-huggin mentalities, get off MY planet, you(gun control) freaks!!!!! Posted Image

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MegumiAzusa wrote...


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The look on her face. Thats the look Shepard should have had when talking to the Catalyst.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

I find it hilarious that we all answered with pictures, lol.


To be fair, at least I explained she was an Orlesian bard as well as a LI.

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paxxton wrote...

Hey Arian you can go a few pages back. There are ideas on the Control ending that you might want to use in your script.


Such as?

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byne wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Who's Leliana?


Redheaded French Orlesian bard in Dragon Age: Origins. Best LI in DA:O imo.

Megumi beat me to using my original pic. I shall alter it and use her DA2 pic instead.

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She's like the only DA:O char that appeared in DA2 who didnt come off looking uglier in the second game.

Imo they did a great job of keeping her facial features of DAO intact while melding them with the features she has in the Sacred Ashes trailer.
Fantastic work, to pull that off you have to be quite skilled.

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ohupthis wrote...

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

1: We're talking about the literal endings, aye? [/qoute]

I wrote a disclaimer in one of the posts.

byne wrote...

Destroy destroys the Reapers. It only destroys all tech if your EMS is low.

And what about synthetic life? It's destroyed. What is life then? Ah,yes.
Technology can also be wiped out as someone sugggested.

byne wrote...

>wants to use the Crucible

No, he doesn't.

byne wrote...

>take too long to choose and the Reapers destroy the Crucible

Attempt on preserving the cycle.

byne wrote...

3: So are you saying submission is preferable to extinction?

Is control of the Reapers submission to them? No.

byne wrote...
4: The Reapers are not machines with codes as we understand them. They are the amalgamation of hundreds of thousands of harvested organics. Whether their 'programs' can be changed at all is a complete unknown. Choosing control just because you think they can is taking a gamble with every life in the galaxy just because you have a hunch.

I oversimplified that. They are considered evil for what they did. But Control gives you the opportunity to change their behavior for the better.





Uhhuh, yeah, whatever...............those poor misunderstood big-baddies need a hugPosted Image.

irregardless of personal opinion, the Reapers are still alive, programmed to REAP!!! Posted Image

The only option IS TO DESTROY them, not molly-coddle them. Posted Image

Friggen' progressive society, and the tree-huggin mentalities, get off MY planet, you(gun control) freaks!!!!! Posted Image


Hey now!  I'm as liberal as they come (not really, but close), and I would give the reapers no quarter! 

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Also, thought for my script, mentioned the idea that the Crucible is genuine, but missing a vital component, say something as simple as two wires being reversed, like plugging a AC plug into a DC socket, causing the whole crucible to explode if used, now assuming Coates is a traitor, how do you think this idea would go down? If your EMS is too low, Coates shoots Anderson and the Reapers win, if your EMS is slightly higher, Anderson shrugs off the shot, charges in and swaps the cables himself, being electrocuted in the process, if your EMS is very high, Anderson is able to convince Coates they have a chance and Coates himself breaks indoctrination and charges into the room and switches the cables, dying a hero as he is electrocuted, drawing similarities to the Control panels, though I need a way for the Allied forces to get this all important intel. Hmm, perhaps if Mordin or the Geth are alive then you have a chance to have them stumble across it as the Crucible prepares to dock? Or perhaps if you have more than 300 Crucible specific EMS?

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Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hey Arian you can go a few pages back. There are ideas on the Control ending that you might want to use in your script.


Such as?

I dunno. If you have a Control option then maybe you can find something plausible there.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hey Arian you can go a few pages back. There are ideas on the Control ending that you might want to use in your script.


Such as?

Could people stop answering like Morrigan? Seriously it feels to me like I lately at least once a day read a post that I instantly read in Claudia Blacks voice.

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ohupthis wrote...

Friggen' progressive society, and the tree-huggin mentalities, get off MY planet, you(gun control) freaks!!!!! Posted Image




As a progressive, pro-increased gun regulation, tree-hugging liberal, I would like to say one thing:

**** the Reapers. **** em hard

There can be no compromise with them.

Also, all this talk of Leliana has made me want to listen to that song she sings.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hey Arian you can go a few pages back. There are ideas on the Control ending that you might want to use in your script.


Such as?

Could people stop answering like Morrigan? Seriously it feels to me like I lately at least once a day read a post that I instantly read in Claudia Blacks voice.


'Tis simply how I speak. You have a problem with it? You should not.

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MegumiAzusa wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hey Arian you can go a few pages back. There are ideas on the Control ending that you might want to use in your script.


Such as?

Could people stop answering like Morrigan? Seriously it feels to me like I lately at least once a day read a post that I instantly read in Claudia Blacks voice.


'Tis indeed most troubling.


Edit: bah, Arian beat me to replying with a 'tis

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ohupthis wrote...

[/i]Uhhuh, yeah, whatever...............those poor misunderstood big-baddies need a hugPosted Image.

irregardless of personal opinion, the Reapers are still alive, programmed to REAP!!! Posted Image

The only option IS TO DESTROY them, not molly-coddle them. Posted Image

Friggen' progressive society, and the tree-huggin mentalities, get off MY planet, you(gun control) freaks!!!!! Posted Image

Hold your horses. Read other posts. They begin somewhere on pages 106-108.

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byne wrote...

ohupthis wrote...

Friggen' progressive society, and the tree-huggin mentalities, get off MY planet, you(gun control) freaks!!!!! Posted Image




As a progressive, pro-increased gun regulation, tree-hugging liberal, I would like to say one thing:

**** the Reapers. **** em hard

There can be no compromise with them.

Also, all this talk of Leliana has made me want to listen to that song she sings.

So glad it comes with the UE. Wonderful song :3

Especially with the memories I have of it. My first character was a Dalish Elf and I sided with the Werewolves as I couldn't stand that Keeper.

Modifié par MegumiAzusa, 19 mai 2012 - 02:14 .


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MegumiAzusa wrote...
Because they are like savants, but with the only negative thing being sterile. It would be quite possible for Ardat-Yakshi to become fertile at some point if Asari didn't start mating with other species to increase their diversity.

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byne wrote...

Rifneno wrote...
Also, I cannot believe Bioware actually did that.


Yknow, banshees having visible nipples and genitals kinda makes forcing Traynor to wear a bra in the shower seem even more silly

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Arian Dynas wrote...
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Okay, I'll stop image spamming...
Soon:
http://social.biowar...286/13#12132243
^seriously, if you want to give yourself a minor coronary from laughter...

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byne wrote...

Yknow, banshees having visible nipples and genitals kinda makes forcing Traynor to wear a bra in the shower seem even more silly


Good point. Cherry on top: content doesn't have to be visible or usable in normal gameplay to be considered for a game's rating either. Ever since that GTA "hot coffee" fiasco, they count locked, dummied, anything that's on the disc no matter how accessable.

On the other side of the coin, I've actually kind of wondered before if asari even have... those. Since they actually reproduce via that mindlink thing they do. And we've never seen a pregnant asari so it's not really guaranteed they have live birth. Could be eggs or something. They're not technically mammals because they don't fit one of the more basic criteria: hair. ... Anyway, nice to have an answer. Not so nice to have nightmares about it.

MegumiAzusa wrote...

No, she said she only knew of three, not that there are only three known.


True, but considering how many seemed to be at that monastery with her daughters...

Parabolee77 wrote...

You see your statements about time are wrong. Time is not finite, the very idea is absurd if you take it to it's logical conclusion. It's a very complex subject and some scientists are clueless about it, but I will always defer to the main man on this subject.


Fair enough. I read it in a paper a while back. I thought it a bit whacky myself, but I figured who am I to second guess the actual scientists.

MegumiAzusa wrote...

byne wrote...

Best LI in DA:O imo.

This I can very well agree on. I fall for her every time.


I used to. After DA2, I can't stand the sight of her. So now I usually play a femwarden and go with Alistair. Sex change and going manhunting would still be preferable to Morrigan.

ohupthis wrote...

Friggen' progressive society, and the tree-huggin mentalities, get off MY planet, you(gun control) freaks!!!!!


Shut up. Take your political crap elsewhere.

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So I guess I.T is out and banshee genitals are in huh, think I'll go seek a new more interesting thread.

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Please can this forum get back on track before it is locked?