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[WinterCrow]

Makrys wrote...

By the way, I am almost rock solid in my belief that some form of the IT is true. T-minus 2 hours and we will find out.

I can't help but hope for the worst... right now I'm all "it was all just too good to be true, the Indoctrination Theory"

Waiting is killing me, gah.

[Makrys]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Guys... you remember the end? Yeah... dumb question. But I mean, specifically the END. The scene showing your squadmates getting out of the Normandy right at the end of all the 'wtf just happened' crap? You know, in relation to IT, the end of the dream?

Well, after my second playthrough of the ending today, it just SMACKED ME OVER THE FACE. We see all this s*** in the end that makes ZERO sense. Everything after our choice. That whole cinematic. The Normandy crashes and our squadmates walk out, and then the scene ends... what do we see next? RIGHT after the end of the crash scene?

SHEPARD WAKING UP.

It seems pretty damn obvious it was a dream. I mean for God's sake, we saw the events take place, the screen went black, and then we see Shepard take a breath... I really don't know how much more obvious you can make it that it was a dream.

Dreams don't usually make a lot of sense. And we usually wake up from them right (watch out for Limbo!)?

The end seems perfectly logical to me.

Just trying to aspire some last minute hope for all of you. Putting things in perspective. We're almost there, brothers!

You're the smartest person to walk into BSN for months. 

That smells like sarcasm. 

I just like pointing out the obvious sometimes!

[Razerath]

Benezia, Shiala, the Thorian and Shepard all have a common link. That link suggests that not only can indoctrination be broken but that it can be resisted.

I believe part of that link is why the Collectors ( and Reapers ) were so interested in Shepard's body after he died at the beginning of ME2.

Shepard resisted the whole three games and at the very end unless you choose Destroy you would have been fully indoctrinated, doing exactly what the Reapers want. Things like destroying the Collector base and stopping the Reapers in the Arrival DLC made the Reapers decide to use the indoctrination as a backup plan. That is why they tried to kill him near the end ( Reaper laser, Husks, Marauder Shields ). They thought the Reaper laser killed him, when it didn't out came more enemies but Shepard killed them. He got into the Citadel too fast for any Reaper to return which would have been the only thing Shepard couldn't kill with a Carnifex.

Then it was a matter of making the right choice while feeling the effects of indoctrination. The whole trick was to try and get Shepard and the players to think that Control or Synthesis was a better option than Destroy. The endings are almost the same because in Destroy everything really happens. Relays blow, Joker lives etc.. and that all happens in Control or Synthesis because you made the indoctrinated choice and that is where the indoctrination dreams start. No matter what Shepard ( and players ) are shown that the Reapers are stopped. Considering that with this idea Shepard dies in Control or Synthesis this would be your last moments of thought. In Destroy ( true full EMS ending ) Shepard lives.

Just throwing all this out there before the EC... thoughts?

Modifié par Razerath, 26 juin 2012 - 07:26 .

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Nah, I've been there bro. It just literally SMACKED ME ON THE FACE today. Like really... like F****** PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU, LANDON. Sorry, Bioware...

I'm glad I replayed the ending. Faith restored! Objective complete. Initializing countdown procedure. 

My 11th hour realization (when I was working on the video) was just how damn surreal the FOB seems. The entire damn thing, from the conversations down to the music, seems to radiate surreality. 

The forward operations base? Explain.

[v0rt3x22]

Makrys wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Guys... you remember the end? Yeah... dumb question. But I mean, specifically the END. The scene showing your squadmates getting out of the Normandy right at the end of all the 'wtf just happened' crap? You know, in relation to IT, the end of the dream?

Well, after my second playthrough of the ending today, it just SMACKED ME OVER THE FACE. We see all this s*** in the end that makes ZERO sense. Everything after our choice. That whole cinematic. The Normandy crashes and our squadmates walk out, and then the scene ends... what do we see next? RIGHT after the end of the crash scene?

SHEPARD WAKING UP.

It seems pretty damn obvious it was a dream. I mean for God's sake, we saw the events take place, the screen went black, and then we see Shepard take a breath... I really don't know how much more obvious you can make it that it was a dream.

Dreams don't usually make a lot of sense. And we usually wake up from them right (watch out for Limbo!)?

The end seems perfectly logical to me.

Just trying to aspire some last minute hope for all of you. Putting things in perspective. We're almost there, brothers!

You're the smartest person to walk into BSN for months. 

That smells like sarcasm. 

I just like pointing out the obvious sometimes!

No I meant it!  I've been trying to tell this to people for months!!! And some of them don't get it or dont want to get it.
This is "IT" in simple terms! <3

[HellishFiend]

Razerath wrote...

Benezia, Shiala, the Thorian and Shepard all have a common link. That link suggests that not only can indoctrination be broken but that it can be resisted.

I believe part of that link is why the Collectors ( and Reapers ) were so interested in Shepard's body after he died at the beginning of ME2.

Shepard resisted the whole three games and at the very end unless you choose Destroy you would have been fully indoctrinated, doing exactly what the Reapers want. Things like destroying the Collector base and stopping the Reapers in the Arrival DLC made the Reapers decide to use the indoctrination as a backup plan. That is why they tried to kill him near the end ( Reaper laser, Husks, Marauder Shields ). They thought the Reaper laser killed him, when it didn't out came more enemies but Shepard killed them. He got into the Citadel too fast for any Reaper to return which would have been the only thing Shepard couldn't kill with a Carnifex.

Then it was a matter of making the right choice while feeling the effects of indoctrination. The whole trick was to try and get Shepard and the players to think that Control or Synthesis was a better option than Destroy. The endings are almost the same because in Destroy everything really happens. Relays blow, Joker lives etc.. and that all happens in Control or Synthesis because you made the indoctrinated choice and that is where the indoctrination dreams start. No matter what Shepard ( and players ) are shown that the Reapers are stopped. Considering that with this idea Shepard dies in Control or Synthesis this would be your last moments of thought. In Destroy ( true full EMS ending ) Shepard lives.

Just throwing all this out there before the EC... thoughts?

I agree with most of that, except for the bit about Destroy actually happening. I dont think any of that actually occurs in reality. I dont think the Crucible has docked with the Citadel, I dont think Shepard ever went to the Citadel, etc. We'll find out soon enough, I'm sure. 

[MaximizedAction]

Makrys wrote...

Guys... you remember the end? Yeah... dumb question. But I mean, specifically the END. The scene showing your squadmates getting out of the Normandy right at the end of all the 'wtf just happened' crap? You know, in relation to IT, the end of the dream?

Well, after my second playthrough of the ending today, it just SMACKED ME OVER THE FACE. We see all this s*** in the end that makes ZERO sense. Everything after our choice. That whole cinematic. The Normandy crashes and our squadmates walk out, and then the scene ends... what do we see next? RIGHT after the end of the crash scene?

SHEPARD WAKING UP.

It seems pretty damn obvious it was a dream. I mean for God's sake, we saw the events take place, the screen went black, and then we see Shepard take a breath... I really don't know how much more obvious you can make it that it was a dream.

Dreams don't usually make a lot of sense. And we usually wake up from them right (watch out for Limbo!)?

The end seems perfectly logical to me.

Just trying to aspire some last minute hope for all of you. Putting things in perspective. We're almost there, brothers!

And if you had Liara as LI, before the love scene, you both even talk about running away to a distant world and just settling down. Ring a bell? Someone settled down...in Shepard's mind.

Where have you been two months ago? Would've needed you as backup for my 'crazy theories'.

Have fun people, see you ... soon.

[DJBare]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Nemesis1812 wrote...

Ok.... so I'm back on BSN again after taking a break from all this....Truth is I don't know what to expect anymore. This game, which was one of my all time favorites. has turned me into a manic depressive the last few months!

Now with the EC coming out in a matter of hours, I don't know what to believe....The few images and tweets kinda squashed my hopes... Although I like the IT, I wouldn't mind if that was what's behind all this, as long as it was something intelligent, original and well explained.

So do you guys think the EC will be a revelation or a big let down-again?

I have faith, it will be awesome....!

I had faith ME3 was going to be like that, and it was..... up until the last few minutes, I'm looking forward to the EC but I'm not allowing myself the same hype I had for ME3, I do not relish the idea of going through another few days of numbness.

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Nah, I've been there bro. It just literally SMACKED ME ON THE FACE today. Like really... like F****** PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU, LANDON. Sorry, Bioware...

I'm glad I replayed the ending. Faith restored! Objective complete. Initializing countdown procedure. 

My 11th hour realization (when I was working on the video) was just how damn surreal the FOB seems. The entire damn thing, from the conversations down to the music, seems to radiate surreality. 

The forward operations base? Explain.

The music is tense is a psychological way, not in a suspenseful way as with similar situations in the past. The conversations all feel like what Shepard (or the player) would imagine those squadmates saying to him rather than what they would actually say. The QEC terminal that provides instant access to just about everyone Shepard cares about is highly suspect. The layout is strangely similar to previous areas Shepard has visited. No violence or Reaper presence in the vicinity except for a duplicate of the Menae turret sequence, even down to the "We've got hostiles on the perimeter!" line, and to put the cherry on top, a ship cruising by and blasting the last remaining enemies a la Normandy. Shepard's expression afterwards is quite vacant. Plus, if you spend a lot of time in the FOB, you get a minor view bob during the no-mans-land/thanix missile sequence, whereas you get no view bob if you blaze through it without talking to people. 

There's more too, but those are the ones that stand out the most to me. 

[Nemesis1812]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Nemesis1812 wrote...

Ok.... so I'm back on BSN again after taking a break from all this....Truth is I don't know what to expect anymore. This game, which was one of my all time favorites. has turned me into a manic depressive the last few months!

Now with the EC coming out in a matter of hours, I don't know what to believe....The few images and tweets kinda squashed my hopes... Although I like the IT, I wouldn't mind if that was what's behind all this, as long as it was something intelligent, original and well explained.

So do you guys think the EC will be a revelation or a big let down-again?

You've gone bipolar? Hmm, most simply go into a mild depression, at worst.

Anyway, what images have been shown would apply to the theory with the following consideration: we hypothesize they're hiding the truth. Why would they ruin their surprise in the 59th minute of the 11th hour by showing us something out of place?

As the saying goes, hope for the best; prepare for the worst.

Yeah well I tend to go to extremes:lol:  and the ambiguous tweets haven't helped.  That's what I'm trying to do so here's to hoping:wizard:

Hellishfiend & Starbuck, thanks guys you're helping!

[Razerath]

HellishFiend wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Benezia, Shiala, the Thorian and Shepard all have a common link. That link suggests that not only can indoctrination be broken but that it can be resisted.

I believe part of that link is why the Collectors ( and Reapers ) were so interested in Shepard's body after he died at the beginning of ME2.

Shepard resisted the whole three games and at the very end unless you choose Destroy you would have been fully indoctrinated, doing exactly what the Reapers want. Things like destroying the Collector base and stopping the Reapers in the Arrival DLC made the Reapers decide to use the indoctrination as a backup plan. That is why they tried to kill him near the end ( Reaper laser, Husks, Marauder Shields ). They thought the Reaper laser killed him, when it didn't out came more enemies but Shepard killed them. He got into the Citadel too fast for any Reaper to return which would have been the only thing Shepard couldn't kill with a Carnifex.

Then it was a matter of making the right choice while feeling the effects of indoctrination. The whole trick was to try and get Shepard and the players to think that Control or Synthesis was a better option than Destroy. The endings are almost the same because in Destroy everything really happens. Relays blow, Joker lives etc.. and that all happens in Control or Synthesis because you made the indoctrinated choice and that is where the indoctrination dreams start. No matter what Shepard ( and players ) are shown that the Reapers are stopped. Considering that with this idea Shepard dies in Control or Synthesis this would be your last moments of thought. In Destroy ( true full EMS ending ) Shepard lives.

Just throwing all this out there before the EC... thoughts?

I agree with most of that, except for the bit about Destroy actually happening. I dont think any of that actually occurs in reality. I dont think the Crucible has docked with the Citadel, I dont think Shepard ever went to the Citadel, etc. We'll find out soon enough, I'm sure. 

In the spirit of my ideas, Destroy really does happen because Shepard got the the point in which the Reapers could do nothing to stop him besides try indoctrination. I guess they could have purposely sent TIM there too but that's moot.

They had to realize that when Shepard got to the Citadel he/she would do exactly what Shepard knew best, blow **** up. This would be bad for the Reapers. Probably in part why they didn't just blow the Citadel out of the sky.

That's why I think Destroy happens because it is truly the right choice, the only real winning choice.

Modifié par Razerath, 26 juin 2012 - 07:34 .

[Makrys]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Guys... you remember the end? Yeah... dumb question. But I mean, specifically the END. The scene showing your squadmates getting out of the Normandy right at the end of all the 'wtf just happened' crap? You know, in relation to IT, the end of the dream?

Well, after my second playthrough of the ending today, it just SMACKED ME OVER THE FACE. We see all this s*** in the end that makes ZERO sense. Everything after our choice. That whole cinematic. The Normandy crashes and our squadmates walk out, and then the scene ends... what do we see next? RIGHT after the end of the crash scene?

SHEPARD WAKING UP.

It seems pretty damn obvious it was a dream. I mean for God's sake, we saw the events take place, the screen went black, and then we see Shepard take a breath... I really don't know how much more obvious you can make it that it was a dream.

Dreams don't usually make a lot of sense. And we usually wake up from them right (watch out for Limbo!)?

The end seems perfectly logical to me.

Just trying to aspire some last minute hope for all of you. Putting things in perspective. We're almost there, brothers!

And if you had Liara as LI, before the love scene, you both even talk about running away to a distant world and just settling down. Ring a bell? Someone settled down...in Shepard's mind.

Where have you been two months ago? Would've needed you as backup for my 'crazy theories'.

Have fun people, see you ... soon.

Oh, I'm always here. Around... 

I follow the thread daily, and post occasionally. I consider myself an unofficial bringer of hope. Usually when I do chime in, its usually to make people think or to encourage them about something. 

Sorry I wasn't there for you. However, I have a feeling we're all going to be quite happy in less tha--- OH MY GOODNESS ITS ONLY AND HR AND A HALF AWAY!!!

Modifié par Makrys, 26 juin 2012 - 07:36 .

[HellishFiend]

Nemesis1812 wrote...

Yeah well I tend to go to extremes:lol:  and the ambiguous tweets haven't helped.  That's what I'm trying to do so here's to hoping:wizard:

Hellishfiend & Starbuck, thanks guys you're helping!

Glad to help! 

[FellishBeast]

Edit: nvm

Modifié par FellishBeast, 26 juin 2012 - 07:36 .

[Revan87]

Some say it had to be me, that someone else might got it wrong. Some say that this might be the end of everything. I say it will be the end, but it will be theirs. Go out there and show those bastards what happens when you go to far. Show them what happens when you mess it up with an entire galaxy. Show them how strong organics have become. Today might bring death to thousands of us. But their sacrifice shall not be forgotten. It shall not be forgotten that they held the line. And it will not be forgotten that everyone of you stood here, in the face of that terror and fought for the Life of millions. I don't know if they can feel fear. But we damn sure give them the oppurtinity to. Stand fast, stand strong, stand together.

Thanks to all of you IT Theorists, it was a hell of a ride and sorry for the bad grammer.

[HellishFiend]

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Nah, I've been there bro. It just literally SMACKED ME ON THE FACE today. Like really... like F****** PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU, LANDON. Sorry, Bioware...

I'm glad I replayed the ending. Faith restored! Objective complete. Initializing countdown procedure. 

My 11th hour realization (when I was working on the video) was just how damn surreal the FOB seems. The entire damn thing, from the conversations down to the music, seems to radiate surreality. 

FOB? 

I expounded on this further up the page. Dont count on me detailing my suspicions on Liara though. 

[Makrys]

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Nah, I've been there bro. It just literally SMACKED ME ON THE FACE today. Like really... like F****** PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU, LANDON. Sorry, Bioware...

I'm glad I replayed the ending. Faith restored! Objective complete. Initializing countdown procedure. 

My 11th hour realization (when I was working on the video) was just how damn surreal the FOB seems. The entire damn thing, from the conversations down to the music, seems to radiate surreality. 

FOB? 

Forward operations base. See his post a few above. 

EDIT:  Damn...

Modifié par Makrys, 26 juin 2012 - 07:37 .

[viggorrah]

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Nah, I've been there bro. It just literally SMACKED ME ON THE FACE today. Like really... like F****** PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU, LANDON. Sorry, Bioware...

I'm glad I replayed the ending. Faith restored! Objective complete. Initializing countdown procedure. 

My 11th hour realization (when I was working on the video) was just how damn surreal the FOB seems. The entire damn thing, from the conversations down to the music, seems to radiate surreality. 

FOB? 

Forward Operations Base. It's the general "base"/area where you meet up with Anderson and discuss the plan of attack.

EDIT: aaaaaaand I got ninja'd. Twice.

Modifié par viggorrah, 26 juin 2012 - 07:37 .

[Meatus]

Gahhh, I guess you guys can't sleep either? This is awful, I have that feeling that you get right before you deliver a speech in front of a crowd. So weird.

What d'you guys think Bioware is going to announce at Comic-Con? I'm assuming they're releasing it right before SDCC so they can drop a bomb on us, since it sounds like EC is still going to be open-ended. I've always had a nagging feeling that the breath scene was supposed to be a cliffhanger leading into ME4. After all, they said if we knew what they had planned, we'd hold onto our ME3 saves forever, etc.

Modifié par Meatus, 26 juin 2012 - 07:37 .

[HellishFiend]

Revan87 wrote...

Some say it had to be me, that someone else might got it wrong. Some say that this might be the end of everything. I say it will be the end, but it will be theirs. Go out there and show those bastards what happens when you go to far. Show them what happens when you mess it up with an entire galaxy. Show them how strong organics have become. Today might bring death to thousands of us. But their sacrifice shall not be forgotten. It shall not be forgotten that they held the line. And it will not be forgotten that everyone of you stood here, in the face of that terror and fought for the Life of millions. I don't know if they can feel fear. But we damn sure give them the oppurtinity to. Stand fast, stand strong, stand together.

Thanks to all of you IT Theorists, it was a hell of a ride and sorry for the bad grammer.

You're welcome! 

[Auralius Carolus]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Nah, I've been there bro. It just literally SMACKED ME ON THE FACE today. Like really... like F****** PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU, LANDON. Sorry, Bioware...

I'm glad I replayed the ending. Faith restored! Objective complete. Initializing countdown procedure. 

My 11th hour realization (when I was working on the video) was just how damn surreal the FOB seems. The entire damn thing, from the conversations down to the music, seems to radiate surreality. 

I got a little of that too. Whether it is intended or not is up for debate, certainly, but based on a scientific parallel, EMF and Infrasound can do that if applied en mass to the Pariental Lobe and near-by regions- particularly the left temporopariental junction. Some drugs, obviously, or head trauma can do it as well.

In modest doses EMF waves can simply cause a sense of paranoia, but as it progresses you get sensory displacement and distortion. Eventually you have full blown hallucinations, delusions... pretty much everything in the codex. The only real difference is that there is no known way to harness the mind this way; overexposure can lead to a violent pseudo-schizophrenic state or even death.

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

Nah, I've been there bro. It just literally SMACKED ME ON THE FACE today. Like really... like F****** PAY ATTENTION TO WHAT I'M SHOWING YOU, LANDON. Sorry, Bioware...

I'm glad I replayed the ending. Faith restored! Objective complete. Initializing countdown procedure. 

My 11th hour realization (when I was working on the video) was just how damn surreal the FOB seems. The entire damn thing, from the conversations down to the music, seems to radiate surreality. 

FOB? 

I expounded on this further up the page. Dont count on me detailing my suspicions on Liara though. 

Don't. Just don't. Don't even go there. I will set you on fire.

[HellishFiend]

Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
I expounded on this further up the page. Dont count on me detailing my suspicions on Liara though. 

Don't. Just don't. Don't even go there. I will set you on fire.

Dont worry, I wont.  Plus, you'd need to save your match and kindling for BW, if my suspicions are accurate. <_<

[Makrys]

Meatus wrote...

Gahhh, I guess you guys can't sleep either? This is awful, I have that feeling that you get right before you deliver a speech in front of a crowd. So weird.

What d'you guys think Bioware is going to announce at Comic-Con? I'm assuming they're releasing it right before SDCC so they can drop a bomb on us, since it sounds like EC is still going to be open-ended. I've always had a nagging feeling that the breath scene was supposed to be a cliffhanger leading into ME4. After all, they said if we knew what they had planned, we'd hold onto our ME3 saves forever, etc.

I think they will discuss the EC a lot, obviously. But I think the 'stuff' Gamble referred to in his tweet is most likely a trailer for the next SP DLC (probably Omega). I also imagine they will surprise announce the next MP DLC at SDCC which will probably fall within or around that week. 

[Makrys]

HellishFiend wrote...

Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
I expounded on this further up the page. Dont count on me detailing my suspicions on Liara though. 

Don't. Just don't. Don't even go there. I will set you on fire.

Dont worry, I wont.  Plus, you'd need to save your match and kindling for BW, if my suspicions are accurate. <_<

Your suspiscions are false. 

Seriously you don't want to go there with me. It will get ugly.

That whole notion is one of the dumbest theories to come out of ME3. No offense.

Modifié par Makrys, 26 juin 2012 - 07:41 .