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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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MaximizedAction wrote...

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Guys... you remember the end? Yeah... dumb question. But I mean, specifically the END. The scene showing your squadmates getting out of the Normandy right at the end of all the 'wtf just happened' crap? You know, in relation to IT, the end of the dream?

Well, after my second playthrough of the ending today, it just SMACKED ME OVER THE FACE. We see all this s*** in the end that makes ZERO sense. Everything after our choice. That whole cinematic. The Normandy crashes and our squadmates walk out, and then the scene ends... what do we see next? RIGHT after the end of the crash scene?

SHEPARD WAKING UP.

It seems pretty damn obvious it was a dream. I mean for God's sake, we saw the events take place, the screen went black, and then we see Shepard take a breath... I really don't know how much more obvious you can make it that it was a dream.

Dreams don't usually make a lot of sense. And we usually wake up from them right (watch out for Limbo!)?

The end seems perfectly logical to me.

Just trying to aspire some last minute hope for all of you. Putting things in perspective. We're almost there, brothers!


And if you had Liara as LI, before the love scene, you both even talk about running away to a distant world and just settling down. Ring a bell? Someone settled down...in Shepard's mind.

Where have you been two months ago? Would've needed you as backup for my 'crazy theories'. :D

Have fun people, see you ... soon.


Also, Garrus talks about retiring on a tropical planet someday and both him and Shepard drinking themselves under the sun. Hmmmm...

Jacob also mentions buying Shepard a drink and relaxing in Rio sometime. Rio is quite tropical.

:whistle:

Modifié par Makrys, 26 juin 2012 - 07:44 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

Nemesis1812 wrote...

Yeah well I tend to go to extremes:lol:  and the ambiguous tweets haven't helped.  That's what I'm trying to do so here's to hoping:wizard:

Hellishfiend & Starbuck, thanks guys you're helping!


Glad to help! :)


Same ^_^

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HellishFiend wrote...

The music is tense is a psychological way, not in a suspenseful way as with similar situations in the past. The conversations all feel like what Shepard (or the player) would imagine those squadmates saying to him rather than what they would actually say. The QEC terminal that provides instant access to just about everyone Shepard cares about is highly suspect. The layout is strangely similar to previous areas Shepard has visited. No violence or Reaper presence in the vicinity except for a duplicate of the Menae turret sequence, even down to the "We've got hostiles on the perimeter!" line, and to put the cherry on top, a ship cruising by and blasting the last remaining enemies a la Normandy. Shepard's expression afterwards is quite vacant. Plus, if you spend a lot of time in the FOB, you get a minor view bob during the no-mans-land/thanix missile sequence, whereas you get no view bob if you blaze through it without talking to people. 

There's more too, but those are the ones that stand out the most to me. 

It was definitely the QEC that got me initially suspicious, especially when talking to the shuttle pilot(damn I forget his name), he crash landed in London, where did he find another QEC?, but the whole area was surreal, too peaceful given the circumstances, did you also notice before going down the ladder, if you look outside in the direction the soldiers are shooting there is nothing to shoot at, seems strange the devs did not drop a few husks in if that's what they wanted.

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How can I get one of those cool IT sigs?

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DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

The music is tense is a psychological way, not in a suspenseful way as with similar situations in the past. The conversations all feel like what Shepard (or the player) would imagine those squadmates saying to him rather than what they would actually say. The QEC terminal that provides instant access to just about everyone Shepard cares about is highly suspect. The layout is strangely similar to previous areas Shepard has visited. No violence or Reaper presence in the vicinity except for a duplicate of the Menae turret sequence, even down to the "We've got hostiles on the perimeter!" line, and to put the cherry on top, a ship cruising by and blasting the last remaining enemies a la Normandy. Shepard's expression afterwards is quite vacant. Plus, if you spend a lot of time in the FOB, you get a minor view bob during the no-mans-land/thanix missile sequence, whereas you get no view bob if you blaze through it without talking to people. 

There's more too, but those are the ones that stand out the most to me. 

It was definitely the QEC that got me initially suspicious, especially when talking to the shuttle pilot(damn I forget his name), he crash landed in London, where did he find another QEC?, but the whole area was surreal, too peaceful given the circumstances, did you also notice before going down the ladder, if you look outside in the direction the soldiers are shooting there is nothing to shoot at, seems strange the devs did not drop a few husks in if that's what they wanted.


No, I hadnt noticed that one! The scary thing is all the things I noted in my above post were just from casual repeated run-throughs of that area. I wasnt even scrutinizing or looking very hard. I'm sure there are many more things to be found. For example I suspect there may be some sort of pattern with the way things move around in a specific scripted fashion when Shepard nears. Container drops to block off the main ground entrance, a transport rolls forward to block off an alley, etc. 

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Well, imma watch a Chuck episode to help pass the time. Be back in 45!

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alberto4395 wrote...

How can I get one of those cool IT sigs?


Copy the image, go to forum settings and paste it in the signature area. 

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Also, the last time I ran through the area I could have sworn I saw Coats walk off in the wrong direction as he left Shepard's side. As in, towards the ruined portion of the building where there was no way down, rather than towards the ladder...

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I heard one guy say 15 minutes left before he can play. That was maybe 10 minutes ago.
If you don't want spoilers, you might want to leave now. lol

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Makrys wrote...

Meatus wrote...

Gahhh, I guess you guys can't sleep either? This is awful, I have that feeling that you get right before you deliver a speech in front of a crowd. So weird.

What d'you guys think Bioware is going to announce at Comic-Con? I'm assuming they're releasing it right before SDCC so they can drop a bomb on us, since it sounds like EC is still going to be open-ended. I've always had a nagging feeling that the breath scene was supposed to be a cliffhanger leading into ME4. After all, they said if we knew what they had planned, we'd hold onto our ME3 saves forever, etc.


I think they will discuss the EC a lot, obviously. But I think the 'stuff' Gamble referred to in his tweet is most likely a trailer for the next SP DLC (probably Omega). I also imagine they will surprise announce the next MP DLC at SDCC which will probably fall within or around that week. 


There was mention of them discussing "the chart" (see photos on official EC page). Someone here mentioned the photos look like part of a video. Maybe they'll have a making-of video for us finally. To show us indoctrination was their intent all along? :P

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

I heard one guy say 15 minutes left before he can play. That was maybe 10 minutes ago.
If you don't want spoilers, you might want to leave now. lol


Well, he's probably referring to the fact that the top of the coming hour is supposed to be when the EC gets posted, and that is in about 10 minutes. 2 gigs takes awhile to download though...

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And guys for the record... please no spoilers for the next hr or so at least. I will get off the forum at precisely 5 am EST. If someone should play before hand, don't come here in screaming.

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

I heard one guy say 15 minutes left before he can play. That was maybe 10 minutes ago.
If you don't want spoilers, you might want to leave now. lol


Yeah, I'm pretty sure I saw on Gamble's twitter that EC was at 2AM MST (1AM PST). Not sure where everyone's getting the "2AM PST" from...

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HellishFiend wrote...

Also, the last time I ran through the area I could have sworn I saw Coats walk off in the wrong direction as he left Shepard's side. As in, towards the ruined portion of the building where there was no way down, rather than towards the ladder...


I think that's right, from what I rememeber seeing in the IT doc vers 2.

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BlazingZephyr wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I heard one guy say 15 minutes left before he can play. That was maybe 10 minutes ago.
If you don't want spoilers, you might want to leave now. lol


Yeah, I'm pretty sure I saw on Gamble's twitter that EC was at 2AM MST (1AM PST). Not sure where everyone's getting the "2AM PST" from...


And 4pm here in EST....

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HellishFiend wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I heard one guy say 15 minutes left before he can play. That was maybe 10 minutes ago.
If you don't want spoilers, you might want to leave now. lol


Well, he's probably referring to the fact that the top of the coming hour is supposed to be when the EC gets posted, and that is in about 10 minutes. 2 gigs takes awhile to download though...


Thought it was 5 am EST. Is it 4 now? 

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So I'm back, but not for long, I guess. How long until the spoilers start? (how long until it's 2AM?)

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HellishFiend wrote...
No, I hadnt noticed that one! The scary thing is all the things I noted in my above post were just from casual repeated run-throughs of that area. I wasnt even scrutinizing or looking very hard. I'm sure there are many more things to be found. For example I suspect there may be some sort of pattern with the way things move around in a specific scripted fashion when Shepard nears. Container drops to block off the main ground entrance, a transport rolls forward to block off an alley, etc. 

That just reminded me, the part before you exit to the thanix tanks, note behind you the single piece of rubble that has fallen blocking any return path, the piece of rubble does not even fit with the architecture and you cannot see anywhere it may have fallen from.

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Someone post if they see it available for download.

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Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I heard one guy say 15 minutes left before he can play. That was maybe 10 minutes ago.
If you don't want spoilers, you might want to leave now. lol


Well, he's probably referring to the fact that the top of the coming hour is supposed to be when the EC gets posted, and that is in about 10 minutes. 2 gigs takes awhile to download though...


Thought it was 5 am EST. Is it 4 now? 


Yes, it should be in about 6-7 minutes.

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Makrys wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I heard one guy say 15 minutes left before he can play. That was maybe 10 minutes ago.
If you don't want spoilers, you might want to leave now. lol


Well, he's probably referring to the fact that the top of the coming hour is supposed to be when the EC gets posted, and that is in about 10 minutes. 2 gigs takes awhile to download though...


Thought it was 5 am EST. Is it 4 now? 


Well we all throught it was 2amPST. But it's 2am MST and that would be 4am EST.

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We could retreat to a group discussion thread to possibly avoid spoilers...

Ugh still clearing up room on my xbox.

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DJBare wrote...

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No, I hadnt noticed that one! The scary thing is all the things I noted in my above post were just from casual repeated run-throughs of that area. I wasnt even scrutinizing or looking very hard. I'm sure there are many more things to be found. For example I suspect there may be some sort of pattern with the way things move around in a specific scripted fashion when Shepard nears. Container drops to block off the main ground entrance, a transport rolls forward to block off an alley, etc. 

That just reminded me, the part before you exit to the thanix tanks, note behind you the single piece of rubble that has fallen blocking any return path, the piece of rubble does not even fit with the architecture and you cannot see anywhere it may have fallen from.


Yeah, that would seem to fit in to the pattern. I wonder how many of those there are....

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Assuming that IT is true and is BioWare's plan all along (something I firmly believe) - do you think that - if anything - they might have added more clues for us to find in EC which may hint at it?