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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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estebanus

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

Just watched the Refusal ending. Only thing I wonder about is how Liara managed to change the capsule while everything was being destroyed around her.
But I have to say, this will probably become my favourite ending. I can say "f*ck you, starchild". Ok, everybody dies, and it's a downer, but it's kind of well done and the scene with Liara mirroring Vigil sends chills down my spine.

Link, please?

#29377
LazyTechGuy

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Snap out of it ITers. The day just started and it's going to be a long day. We're only starting to get info. Here's the reject ending. Definitely has IT undertones.




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Crusina wrote...

I don't see how its completely wrong in a sense, if starkid is reaper controlled, we are at least partially right. End of story.


It's a bit of a step down from "the greatest twist ending in gaming history", though, isn't it?

You've basically gone from "I was clever enough to figure out Bioware's masterful twist before the big reveal", to "my headcanon is better than the lame ending we got and not entirely contradicted by it".

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Hello, dont mind me ill just be at the back here with my popcorn :P

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

Silhouett3 wrote...

How does these destroy IT, since IT explains why Shep was being friendly with a Reaper and the choices he/she was offered, not what happened for squadmates? Sorry but you don't even seem to know what's the point of IT to begin with<_<


You actually know what happens to them, they all died and you see the next cycle with liara beacon waiting to help the next cycle with informations. Its alright see ya in mass effect 4.


What part of the game seems to suggest that this IS actually happening?
What part of the game debunks the theory that you're dreaming?


The very fact that they worked to explain a dream further? I mean sure it was all a dream, shepard been dreaming since mass effect 1 when he went to bed with liara man. He never woke up. Its not like we didnt know the starchild was part/controlling the reaper. He even says so in the ending before EC. Now he even go as far as explain more about that.  IT is starting to be as farfetched as Scientology.

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nullobject wrote...

"my headcanon is better than the lame ending we got and not entirely contradicted by it".


Can you re-phrase that? I'm not entirely sure what you mean.

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estebanus

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Estebanus just put things pretty well into perspective for me, via a chat;

Estebanus said... Arian, have you lost hope?


Arian Dynas said... I... don't know.


Estebanus said... If you have, then there's no reason talking about it or whining about it anymore, is there. You know that the ending sucked. That's your closure right there.


Arian Dynas said... I can't do that.


Arian Dynas said... So I must have hope then.

No problem, man.

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v0rt3x22

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I gotta hand it to you man - this was funny :lol:

Smeffects wrote...

 IT is starting to be as farfetched as Scientology.



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There was a statment from BW that we not going to get a new endings, and we got a "Reject".
Let`s not believe in everything Dev says, fam.
I`m going to stick with IT, even after this DLC.

Modifié par MissLiya, 26 juin 2012 - 12:49 .


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senshi420

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starting chronos station with 100% GR and 7025 tms/ems. will let you know if i see anything new

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Smeffects wrote...

 IT is starting to be as farfetched as Scientology.


Notice also that Scientology places a big emphasis on only listening to people who agree with Scientology. Anyone who disagrees is "entheta" (I think that's Scientology for "troll"), and you should ignore them lest they disturb your good vibes.

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I always said IT is like a religion, you cant discuss it. The guys here are like the "911 was an Inside Job" kids on Youtube. Arguments dont work, they believe what they want to believe.

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masster blaster

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But has anyone picked destroy yet?
Because Bioware said that you can save everyone in destroy though at a price which a'm not telling :)

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estebanus

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ByronicX wrote...

I always said IT is like a religion, you cant discuss it. The guys here are like the "911 was an Inside Job" kids on Youtube. Arguments dont work, they believe what they want to believe.

Oh, the irony.

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masster blaster wrote...

But has anyone picked destroy yet?
Because Bioware said that you can save everyone in destroy though at a price which a'm not telling :)


HERE ARE SPOILERS FROM MY ENDING- PARAGON LIARA LI DESTROY
The Normandy is fine, and looked to be on their way home. That said, it seems they believe Shepard is dead, as Liara holds a new plaque for the wall. They fly off the jungle world, and then you still get the breath scene. Enough for a head canon happy ending, easy.
NEW GIF.. IMAGE... THINGS. Saw EDI when I blew up the Reapers. ALSO SAW ONES FOR THANE, MORDIN AND LEGION WHO DIED IN MY GAME. Epilogue slide show, narrated by Hacket. Saw Jacob, Kasumi, Zaeed, Grunt, Wrex, Quarians and others.
STARGAZER SCENE--- still there.
You get to investigate the Catalyst and other things. I found the Catalyst to be a lot easier to take this time around.
THEY ALSO CHANGED THE ENDING MESSAGE to be a thank you to fans... mighty big of them there.
I ONLY PLAYED FROM THE RETURN, so others may have more. Bed time for me.


Modifié par MissLiya, 26 juin 2012 - 12:56 .


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Just finished, Hardly anything new and it was still pretty ****
All we got is a shot with your LI where they magically disappeared, some more speech options with starbringer and Hacket talking about how life will become now.
Honestly, I wasnt expecting IT, however I was expecting something decent.
Thoroughly Disappointed :/

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All the endings (except refusal)

Destroy: Reapers are destroyed along with geth and edi, all fleets manage to warp into their home systems, except joker, Mass relays are damaged. Ending is narrated by Hackett, he tells how everthing will eventually be rebuild, including the Citadel. Normandy is repaired and flies off the jungle planet.

Control: Shepard takes control of all the reapers. Same things happen, but the epilogue is narrated by Shepard with some reaper echo in his voice. He directs the reapers to help galaxy rebuild and stays as its guardian.

Synthesis: All synthetic and organic life merge to better understand each other. EDI narrates the ending and tells how she is now truly alive. Reapers are freed, they become friendly and help the galaxy rebuild, the knowledge of the preserved civilizations inside them is shared among all. Organics and syntethics, including the reapers, continue to exist in harmony.



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Very cool that you can hear shepards voice clearly when the child talks in the EC. It gives some support to IT

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v0rt3x22

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taggen86 wrote...

Very cool that you can hear shepards voice clearly when the child talks in the EC. It gives some support to IT


same with the rejection ending - having you seen it yet?

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I just watched the "destroy" ending. Itching to be able to play it myself later, with my own Shep. I gotta say I feel a little better now. It was kinda well done, and though it's still far from the ending I had hoped for (and Priority:Earth is still very lame) it's actually bearable now. None of the plot holes were actually closed, though.

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LazyTechGuy wrote...

Snap out of it ITers. The day just started and it's going to be a long day. We're only starting to get info. Here's the reject ending. Definitely has IT undertones.



But remember that's a new ending and there is still destroy.

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But did you all hear the god child say so be it that sounded like Harby.

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

nullobject wrote...

"my headcanon is better than the lame ending we got and not entirely contradicted by it".


Can you re-phrase that? I'm not entirely sure what you mean.


It means you acknowledge that the endings taken literally are not very good, but retain the IT as a possible interpretation of the story that you make up yourself; and you are pleased that at least there is nothing in the EC that explicitly contradicts this personal interpretation.


So instead of being the guys who cracked the German WWII Enigma code and helped your side win the war, you become the guys who pointed out that if you scramble the letters in the encoded German telegrams just so, you can make a couple of interesting haikus out of those letters.


EDIT: apparently you can't mention the common 4 letter abbreviation for National Socialism.

Modifié par nullobject, 26 juin 2012 - 01:02 .


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estebanus wrote...

ByronicX wrote...

I always said IT is like a religion, you cant discuss it. The guys here are like the "911 was an Inside Job" kids on Youtube. Arguments dont work, they believe what they want to believe.

Oh, the irony.



No, not Irony, truth. But yeah, just keep explaining everything with "Its all in his head"....great argument. 

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MissLiya

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ByronicX wrote...

estebanus wrote...

ByronicX wrote...

I always said IT is like a religion, you cant discuss it. The guys here are like the "911 was an Inside Job" kids on Youtube. Arguments dont work, they believe what they want to believe.

Oh, the irony.



No, not Irony, truth. But yeah, just keep explaining everything with "Its all in his head"....great argument. 

do you have problems with it? :) I see what you trying to do here. Please, dude, dont you have something better to do? :)