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OdanUrr wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

The bolded and underlined part is what is important, the idea being that the EC is nothing more than a stopgap, to leave people satisfied and content until there comes a big surprise.

But I could be wrong.

IT is very nebulous at this point right now.


All future SP DLC content will take place before the endings for better or worse.


I really wish people would stop quoting that....BioWare could've trolled us you know?

I wouldn't take everything they might have said - literally. 

I have no reason to believe there will be content after the game - especially with Shepard waking up at the end.

Just because "BioWare said so" - isn't an argument in my opinion.

Valve said they are working on Riccochet 2. <_<

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So, we were defeated...

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masster blaster wrote...

I think it's all still not right with Control and synthesis because why would we have a refusal ending/ and I think this is a stepping stone in ME4 because they will probably do an Arrival thing with ME3 before ME4 comes out and maybe see what really happened?


For a possible ME4 after ME3 I only see control or destroy being canon-likely...synthesis is too outlandish, and reject is too...well, not possible to continue after with humans and the like

So ME4 could either take place in a galaxy controlled by a Repaer-Shepard-AI and be about how this Shepard-AI slowly sinks into insanity and threatens the galaxy once more...this has the benefit that ANY kind of shepard could be it, no need to have male/female one

Or in a galaxy after destroy...which has the benefits that it would be much like the former one, only without the Geth, and makes room for a totally new villain threatening the galaxy...Problem is Shepard...if she survived "red" this would be needed to be adressed somehow...

Oh wait a second..wasn't there this false leak about Mass Shift with Shepard being a Reaper and stuff like that...somehow I almost see it at the horizon, and I don't like it that much...*shudders*

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Okay, so one thing I'm seeing right now that I don't think anyone has picked up on yet?

Harbinger ISN'T missing when he hits Shepard with the laser. It's not like before where the beam was just hitting in front of her. It starts low, but it sweeps upward and honestly? I don't see how Shepard could survive THAT any better than what we already had.

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Wow, I didn't even know about the reject option!

That was great!!! Finally a "we lose" choice.

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Modernpreacher wrote...

It seems fairly spelled out to me.

I've seen/played/watched all 4 endings now.

At the core the endings are the same, there are just minor changes to make them more complete/whole, less jerky. They're basically just fixing the big holes in the story.

Like there is an additional scene during the run to the beam where it shows your squad being picked up by the Normandy. Which is why they're on the Normandy later.


It seems to pretty much nuke down the IT idea. Yes, on the Reject the boy does sound like a Reaper. He owns the Reapers. They're his. He made them. Someone or something made him. And he made the Reapers to resolve the problem laid out before him. I guess he sits around in the Citadel for 20K years taking notes from the Keepers on which races are advanced and which aren't, and then when the time is up, he calls up his mates and is like...

"Hi guys, Super Reaper Mind Star Child here, can you guys fly in and blow up everyone on my check list?"

He's like Santa Clause. But instead of gifts. He brings lasers. And the smell of burnt flesh.


I think he wants a final solution too. I took from it that someone a VERY long time ago made him to resolve the problem of synthetics and organics fighting, and by him I mean the entire Citadel thing too.

What was his solution? Kill the organics, and back them up in a hardcopy called a Reaper. I'm sure his creators were super stoked for that news. Like he says, Synthetics are doomed to rebel against their creators.

So finally someone rocks up and has made it to the top of the tower so to speak. In who knows how many tens of thousands of years, 1 guy finally makes it. A way to actually end the problem the Catalyst was made to solve. Reapers don't actually solve it, they just postpone it by a score of millennia, though I'm sure Star Boy thought it was a great idea when he came up with it a billion years ago.

So when Shep rejects the idea to end the war for good... he's pretty PO'd. So for a second there he sounds like a machine. A machine raging at the organics that he's been trying to come to peace with for a gajillion years. Can you really blame him?

Poor space machine of doom.

lol thank you, you lighten up my mood :lol:

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OdanUrr wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

The bolded and underlined part is what is important, the idea being that the EC is nothing more than a stopgap, to leave people satisfied and content until there comes a big surprise.

But I could be wrong.

IT is very nebulous at this point right now.


All future SP DLC content will take place before the endings for better or worse.


Thank you for that announcement Casey Hudson.

Oh, wait, you're not a Bioware dev, are you.

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I posted this before - but I guess it got lost in the speed of how fast this particular thread goes -

Someone noticed that when you pick the "Reject" ending - the grandfather at the end is replaced with an Asari.

It seems to me this may be Liara and your blue baby?

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Razerath wrote...

I was right and a lot of you flamed me. I saw the end for what it was almost exactly as the EC tells it. There is proof of what I said in this topic and also this one that had been locked due to TONS of flaming against me.

http://social.biowar.../index/12730160

Just came in to say, those of you who just completely called me stupid are just plain mean and ignorant. I said the Catalyst was an ally and probably the best one organics have ever had and you all told me I was a troll.

Peace.


ya but Biowae never siad IT was wrong so ther may be future DLC on the horizon to lead up to ME4 in which what choices Shepard made at the end of ME3 will result in ME4 and maybe there will be consiquences, but You just have to belive.

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

I posted this before - but I guess it got lost in the speed of how fast this particular thread goes -

Someone noticed that when you pick the "Reject" ending - the grandfather at the end is replaced with an Asari.

It seems to me this may be Liara and your blue baby?


That's something that makes absolutely no sense to me
if the Reapers wipe out everything in the Refusal ending, the Asari ought to be dead too

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I'm wondering what the guy from the IT Documentary has to say about all this.

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Vox Draco wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

I think it's all still not right with Control and synthesis because why would we have a refusal ending/ and I think this is a stepping stone in ME4 because they will probably do an Arrival thing with ME3 before ME4 comes out and maybe see what really happened?


For a possible ME4 after ME3 I only see control or destroy being canon-likely...synthesis is too outlandish, and reject is too...well, not possible to continue after with humans and the like

So ME4 could either take place in a galaxy controlled by a Repaer-Shepard-AI and be about how this Shepard-AI slowly sinks into insanity and threatens the galaxy once more...this has the benefit that ANY kind of shepard could be it, no need to have male/female one

Or in a galaxy after destroy...which has the benefits that it would be much like the former one, only without the Geth, and makes room for a totally new villain threatening the galaxy...Problem is Shepard...if she survived "red" this would be needed to be adressed somehow...

Oh wait a second..wasn't there this false leak about Mass Shift with Shepard being a Reaper and stuff like that...somehow I almost see it at the horizon, and I don't like it that much...*shudders*


it's possible that  Shepard can be the new boss in ME4 that could explain why Shepard is refured to as a HE, or SHe.

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

I really wish people would stop quoting that....BioWare could've trolled us you know?

I wouldn't take everything they might have said - literally. 

I have no reason to believe there will be content after the game - especially with Shepard waking up at the end.

Just because "BioWare said so" - isn't an argument in my opinion.

Valve said they are working on Riccochet 2. <_<


Yes, I believe Bioware did say so but that's not my point. If they were to release content after the endings, then the endings wouldn't really be such, would they? Besides, at the rate games are being released nowadays, the "attention span" for any one game is incredibly short. Any kind of "trolling" or major reveal that is not relatively close to release date would be ineffectual. People are already moving on to other titles.

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People, the already stated both that all SP DLC will be prior to the ending of ME3 and that future ME games will take place PRIOR to the events of this trilogy because, as Hudson said, they're would be no point setting future games in a "wasteland".

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The response I have to the EC;

"It just raises too many questions."

Love all you IT guys, even a few of you literalists, a sincere **** you to the guys going on about how everything is ruined and trying to make people as miserable as you are, and just letting you all know, the EC now spoiled for me, I will come back when the ****storm dies down.

One way or another, the EC did at least do one thing for us.

The endings, while far from great, or for that matter even good, if the literal interpretation is to be taken seriously, did manage to make the ending bearable.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Thank you for that announcement Casey Hudson.

Oh, wait, you're not a Bioware dev, are you.


It was an educated guess, no need to be rude.

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masster blaster wrote...

Razerath wrote...

I was right and a lot of you flamed me. I saw the end for what it was almost exactly as the EC tells it. There is proof of what I said in this topic and also this one that had been locked due to TONS of flaming against me.

http://social.biowar.../index/12730160

Just came in to say, those of you who just completely called me stupid are just plain mean and ignorant. I said the Catalyst was an ally and probably the best one organics have ever had and you all told me I was a troll.

Peace.


ya but Biowae never siad IT was wrong so ther may be future DLC on the horizon to lead up to ME4 in which what choices Shepard made at the end of ME3 will result in ME4 and maybe there will be consiquences, but You just have to belive.


Oh GOD, you couldn't see the ending for what it was because you lacked imagination to fill in the gaps. You get an EC holding your hand through it all which clearly debunks the IT as well as it can be without there being a message at the end saying, "IT was wrong".

You seriously need to give it up.

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Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I posted this before - but I guess it got lost in the speed of how fast this particular thread goes -

Someone noticed that when you pick the "Reject" ending - the grandfather at the end is replaced with an Asari.

It seems to me this may be Liara and your blue baby?


That's something that makes absolutely no sense to me
if the Reapers wipe out everything in the Refusal ending, the Asari ought to be dead too



Well it's Liara and my guess is tha t she had enof time to modify the beaconcapsule and remember Asari live for a thousand years so who know.

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Capeo wrote...

People, the already stated both that all SP DLC will be prior to the ending of ME3 and that future ME games will take place PRIOR to the events of this trilogy because, as Hudson said, they're would be no point setting future games in a "wasteland".


If IT was true, they wouldn't have expanded on the "hallucination" scenes.

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OdanUrr wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I really wish people would stop quoting that....BioWare could've trolled us you know?

I wouldn't take everything they might have said - literally. 

I have no reason to believe there will be content after the game - especially with Shepard waking up at the end.

Just because "BioWare said so" - isn't an argument in my opinion.

Valve said they are working on Riccochet 2. <_<


If they were to release content after the endings, then the endings wouldn't really be such, would they?


Confused. Then the endings wouldn't be how?

With Shepard being alive at the end - doesn't that smell like continuation to you?
How did you interpret that scene?

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Razerath wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Razerath wrote...

I was right and a lot of you flamed me. I saw the end for what it was almost exactly as the EC tells it. There is proof of what I said in this topic and also this one that had been locked due to TONS of flaming against me.

http://social.biowar.../index/12730160

Just came in to say, those of you who just completely called me stupid are just plain mean and ignorant. I said the Catalyst was an ally and probably the best one organics have ever had and you all told me I was a troll.

Peace.


ya but Biowae never siad IT was wrong so ther may be future DLC on the horizon to lead up to ME4 in which what choices Shepard made at the end of ME3 will result in ME4 and maybe there will be consiquences, but You just have to belive.


Oh GOD, you couldn't see the ending for what it was because you lacked imagination to fill in the gaps. You get an EC holding your hand through it all which clearly debunks the IT as well as it can be without there being a message at the end saying, "IT was wrong".

You seriously need to give it up.


Well then why would they have a leak that Shepard if you pick Control will be the new villan in ME4 and why did they leak that if you pick destroy that it's the bestone out of all the endings.;)

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masster blaster wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I posted this before - but I guess it got lost in the speed of how fast this particular thread goes -

Someone noticed that when you pick the "Reject" ending - the grandfather at the end is replaced with an Asari.

It seems to me this may be Liara and your blue baby?


That's something that makes absolutely no sense to me
if the Reapers wipe out everything in the Refusal ending, the Asari ought to be dead too


Well it's Liara and my guess is tha t she had enof time to modify the beaconcapsule and remember Asari live for a thousand years so who know.


First, it's not Liara. Second, you're missing the point. If you really refuse the starchild's offer, the cycle continues and the Reaper WIPE OUT the Asari.

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Well...am I the only one who thinks BioWare ruined their shot?

Also...BioWare said EC wouldn't affect IT. Totally false. IT is dead. :crying:

It was a good run, guys. <3

Modifié par FellishBeast, 26 juin 2012 - 01:39 .


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masster blaster wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I posted this before - but I guess it got lost in the speed of how fast this particular thread goes -

Someone noticed that when you pick the "Reject" ending - the grandfather at the end is replaced with an Asari.

It seems to me this may be Liara and your blue baby?


That's something that makes absolutely no sense to me
if the Reapers wipe out everything in the Refusal ending, the Asari ought to be dead too



Well it's Liara and my guess is tha t she had enof time to modify the beaconcapsule and remember Asari live for a thousand years so who know.

She doesnt seem to stand right, To me the womans lower body looks like a quarians, although her head seems asari shaped :S
Also, She speeks as if its 2nd hand knowledge, and it sounds as if the reapers have allready been defeated so thats 50,000 years later atleast

Modifié par Overload_C14, 26 juin 2012 - 01:38 .


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MegaSovereign wrote...

If IT was true, they wouldn't have expanded on the "hallucination" scenes.


Whaaa? That makes no sense to me. Why not?