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[EpyonX3]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

nullobject wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

nullobject wrote...

I am convinced. Of course, if the game had contained prominent dream sequences that used those assets, then maybe there would be a good explanation, but clearly you've hit the nail on the head with this one.

Not sure what you're trying to say with this. 

I'll spell it out.

The game contains several dream sequences set in a forest (remember - you chase the boy?).

Those sequences use the plant textures you posted.

For some reason you think this is a big deal. Why?

Wrong. I believe these assets come from the jungle planet at the end.
Shepard believes that the crew makes it out alive - and he's dreaming about them settling on a new world.

No they are used in the dream sequences as well.

If you can point to a vid or picture - that'd be great.

Don't have one anymore, however, i went through the game assets a while ago and discovered, among others, that dream foliage is loaded in the dream sequences, not just the final scene.

[masster blaster]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Brother Takka wrote...

I know there is still the Breath part at the end, but I just think that's Bioware saying Shep lives. .

Yes but why would they bother showing this?
They could just leave the entire thing to your imagination.

And why would they only show it with the "Destroy" ending?

Think about it...

Why would they create a new ending when they said they were not.

[LazyTechGuy]

Showing Shepard lives allows some to imagine the crew reunion and a happy ever after ending, but the Shepard story is over. You fill it in with your own imagination. Would I have liked to see that ending? Yeah. BW must've decided to allow us to close out our story in our own minds rather than telling it for us. After all the complaining about it being "our story", I can see where they're coming from.

[dreamgazer]

 All downloaded up and about to storm the Cerberus base.  

We'll see if interpreting that Shepard is influenced by indoctrination in the decision chamber holds up outside the boundaries of the theory, as the mystery I've seen it to be (link). It holds weight in the space of the "theatrical cut" of the game, but we'll see what happens after these ... uh, changes that I've already glimpsed at by merely entering in this thread.  Needless to say: if they tinkered with some of the fundamentals, then my overall outlook on the conclusion could change, too.  

Try and enjoy yourselves, folks.  The "I'm right, you're wrong" rhetoric and condescending behavior has been and always will be toxic, on both sides.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 26 juin 2012 - 02:01 .

[jpraelster93]

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

[v0rt3x22]

ByronicX wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Brother Takka wrote...

I know there is still the Breath part at the end, but I just think that's Bioware saying Shep lives. .

Yes but why would they bother showing this?
They could just leave the entire thing to your imagination.

And why would they only show it with the "Destroy" ending?

Think about it...

because that scene only makes sense in the destroy ending? 

Does it? Watch the destroy ending again.

Shepard is a few steps away from the machine he blows up - and is caught in the explosion.

Does that really make sense for BioWare to show he's alive? It doesn't seem possible to survive that. Especially with the catalyst firing at the end.

That's a huge shockwave - which is big enough to move space debri (also shown in the vid).

It makes no sense to show Shepard alive - unless what we see wasn't actually real.

[EpyonX3]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm amazed that the sh*tstorm in the forums isn't as big as I expected.

Because it's only available on the 360 as far as I can tell.

[v0rt3x22]

masster blaster wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Brother Takka wrote...

I know there is still the Breath part at the end, but I just think that's Bioware saying Shep lives. .

Yes but why would they bother showing this?
They could just leave the entire thing to your imagination.

And why would they only show it with the "Destroy" ending?

Think about it...

Why would they create a new ending when they said they were not.

Ultimately - the "Refuse" ending strengthens IT - because it shows that Starchild was a fabrication of the Reapers.

[ByronicX]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

Well it actually does. 

[Zertz]

Does the breath scene make sense, even in the new Destroy Ending with the Citadel surviving? Like, wouldn't Shepard be mentioned in the Epilogue as doing X, Y, or Z if he/she lives and is found?

I guess you can make the case that would reduce the emotional impact of your Love Interest refusing to put up your plaque of remembrance... It still nags at me, though.

[Modernpreacher]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Brother Takka wrote...

I know there is still the Breath part at the end, but I just think that's Bioware saying Shep lives. .

Yes but why would they bother showing this?
They could just leave the entire thing to your imagination.

And why would they only show it with the "Destroy" ending?

Think about it...

Well, because on Control he isn't alive to take a breath. He's a super reaper.

And on Synth, he's dead.

Reject everyone dies.


I understand why Destroy is red now after seeing the ending changes by the by...

The Star Child is trying to make things right, over and over. He's caught in a logic loop.

The Crucible is like a big giant memory stick, it flies into the Citadel and allows the Catalyst to break the loop. He can then actually change the outcome, which up to that point has sucked for all parties involved really.

But he can't actually make the change. He's just the Catalyst. He is what enables the change to occur, but he doesn't actually do the change himself. He needs someone to do it.


By that logic, Destroy is kind of a renegade choice. Shep lives at the end, but the cost is greater, the loss of the Geth, Edi, other synthetic life. He chooses his own life over the lives of innocents. That's renegade. So he takes a breath at the end. It's showing you flat out that you won, but at a high cost. 


Control is blue, because he sacrifices his corporeal form to win. He lives, but his cost is greater than the common man's. That's paragon.


Green is still weird. I'm still not a fan of space magic.

[masster blaster]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

I'm amazed that the sh*tstorm in the forums isn't as big as I expected.

Well right know people are still confuesd about the new ending and the new cutsense/diauloge so ya not big for now.

[v0rt3x22]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Showing Shepard lives allows some to imagine the crew reunion and a happy ever after ending, but the Shepard story is over. You fill it in with your own imagination. Would I have liked to see that ending? Yeah. BW must've decided to allow us to close out our story in our own minds rather than telling it for us. After all the complaining about it being "our story", I can see where they're coming from.

You don't honestly belief that BioWare shows Shepard moving and leaves the rest to our imagination.

[jpraelster93]

ByronicX wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

Well it actually does. 

how so

[v0rt3x22]

ByronicX wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

Well it actually does. 

It does not.

[Razerath]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

Yes it does and I called it in the topic you flamed me in a day or two ago.

http://social.biowar.../index/12730160

It's disproven because the choices Shepard can make are REAL which means none of it was a dream. The most IT has now is that they tried to indoctrinate Shepard at one point. And well... duh. 

[jpraelster93]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

ByronicX wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

Well it actually does. 

It does not.

Yeah it really doesnt

[ByronicX]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Brother Takka wrote...

I know there is still the Breath part at the end, but I just think that's Bioware saying Shep lives. .

Yes but why would they bother showing this?
They could just leave the entire thing to your imagination.

And why would they only show it with the "Destroy" ending?

Think about it...

Why would they create a new ending when they said they were not.

Ultimately - the "Refuse" ending strengthens IT - because it shows that Starchild was a fabrication of the Reapers.

What? Get your facts straight. Starchild MADE the Reapers not the other way around. Of course it would sound like one. 

Get it in your Head, THE END IS REAL.

Modifié par ByronicX, 26 juin 2012 - 02:06 .

[jpraelster93]

Razerath wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

Yes it does and I called it in the topic you flamed me in a day or two ago.

http://social.biowar.../index/12730160

It's disproven because the choices Shepard can make are REAL which means none of it was a dream. The most IT has now is that they tried to indoctrinate Shepard at one point. And well... duh. 

The refusal ending is more evidence to the IT by giving shepard another way to not be indoctrinated

[dreamgazer]

Razerath wrote...

It's disproven because the choices Shepard can make are REAL which means none of it was a dream. The most IT has now is that they tried to indoctrinate Shepard at one point. And well... duh. 

... or that indoctrination plays a part in swaying Shepard during the decision-making process.  Until I get through the new cut, my interpretation of that still stands. 

[v0rt3x22]

Modernpreacher wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Brother Takka wrote...

I know there is still the Breath part at the end, but I just think that's Bioware saying Shep lives. .

Yes but why would they bother showing this?
They could just leave the entire thing to your imagination.

And why would they only show it with the "Destroy" ending?

Think about it...

Well, because on Control he isn't alive to take a breath. He's a super reaper.

And on Synth, he's dead.

Reject everyone dies.


I understand why Destroy is red now after seeing the ending changes by the by...

The Star Child is trying to make things right, over and over. He's caught in a logic loop.

The Crucible is like a big giant memory stick, it flies into the Citadel and allows the Catalyst to break the loop. He can then actually change the outcome, which up to that point has sucked for all parties involved really.

But he can't actually make the change. He's just the Catalyst. He is what enables the change to occur, but he doesn't actually do the change himself. He needs someone to do it.


By that logic, Destroy is kind of a renegade choice. Shep lives at the end, but the cost is greater, the loss of the Geth, Edi, other synthetic life. He chooses his own life over the lives of innocents. That's renegade. So he takes a breath at the end. It's showing you flat out that you won, but at a high cost. 


Control is blue, because he sacrifices his corporeal form to win. He lives, but his cost is greater than the common man's. That's paragon.


Green is still weird. I'm still not a fan of space magic.

Have you seen Shepard's eyes in Control / Synth ending? They are indoctrinated.

As you correctly noticed: Destroy is kind of a renegade choice.

But its the only ending where Shepard's eyes do not change.
The whole point of the dream sequence - and the star child is that - in a last attempt - the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate you - which is why Shepard wakes up during Destroy - because he breaks free of that attempt.

Starchild - controlled by the Reapers - is trying to prevent you from choosing red all along.

[Ang3l o Xn6]

What ? people still think the I.T is right ? damn people are so dumb

[jpraelster93]

Ang3l o Xn6 wrote...

What ? people still think the I.T is right ? damn people are so dumb

your calling people dumb because of something bioware doesnt have the guts to come out and just say this theory is wrong if they did that then maybe people would stop believing it but sadly they dont have the guts to do that

[Razerath]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

Yes it does and I called it in the topic you flamed me in a day or two ago.

http://social.biowar.../index/12730160

It's disproven because the choices Shepard can make are REAL which means none of it was a dream. The most IT has now is that they tried to indoctrinate Shepard at one point. And well... duh. 

The refusal ending is more evidence to the IT by giving shepard another way to not be indoctrinated

LOL no it's not. Keep grasping at your straws. I proved you wrong before the EC even dropped by calling it all damn near exactly as it happens.

You'll eventually understand this but I am done giving you my time.

[LazyTechGuy]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Showing Shepard lives allows some to imagine the crew reunion and a happy ever after ending, but the Shepard story is over. You fill it in with your own imagination. Would I have liked to see that ending? Yeah. BW must've decided to allow us to close out our story in our own minds rather than telling it for us. After all the complaining about it being "our story", I can see where they're coming from.

You don't honestly belief that BioWare shows Shepard moving and leaves the rest to our imagination.

I believe that's the best you're going to get.  IT itself is just another form of imagination.  Not in the sense that you're crazy or delusional, but just that you interpret the ending differently and play it out from a different angle in your head.  Nothing wrong with that.  I think IT is pretty neat.  I lean towards the literal ending in my playthrough, that's all.

Modifié par LazyTechGuy, 26 juin 2012 - 02:10 .