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[jpraelster93]

Razerath wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

Yes it does and I called it in the topic you flamed me in a day or two ago.

http://social.biowar.../index/12730160

It's disproven because the choices Shepard can make are REAL which means none of it was a dream. The most IT has now is that they tried to indoctrinate Shepard at one point. And well... duh. 

The refusal ending is more evidence to the IT by giving shepard another way to not be indoctrinated

LOL no it's not. Keep grasping at your straws. I proved you wrong before the EC even dropped by calling it all damn near exactly as it happens.

You'll eventually understand this but I am done giving you my time.

I dont speak troll

[ByronicX]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Ang3l o Xn6 wrote...

What ? people still think the I.T is right ? damn people are so dumb

your calling people dumb because of something bioware doesnt have the guts to come out and just say this theory is wrong if they did that then maybe people would stop believing it but sadly they dont have the guts to do that

No, you dont have the guts to change your mind. Not even with all the evidence against it. You know how you call that? Ignorance. 

[v0rt3x22]

ByronicX wrote...


What? Get your facts straight. Starchild MADE the Reapers not the other way around. Of course it would sound like one. 

What???

So humans who create robots, sound like robots? That doesn't make any sense.

I seriously don't believe Starchild made the reapers.

Have you ever noticed that it says "I know you've thought about destroying us"? "US"

It can't be talking in plural - because up until that point, you've never even heard about the ghost child. 
It's talking about the reapers. They are talking through the child.

[Razerath]

dreamgazer wrote...

Razerath wrote...

It's disproven because the choices Shepard can make are REAL which means none of it was a dream. The most IT has now is that they tried to indoctrinate Shepard at one point. And well... duh. 

... or that indoctrination plays a part in swaying Shepard during the decision-making process.  Until I get through the new cut, my interpretation of that still stands. 

It will change, maybe not today and maybe not tomorrow but all you IT people will see that you were wrong and likely just complain about how the ending is "as crappy as ever" even though it was always good. I knew why because I didn't need the EC to hold my hand through it. I understood it the first time I played through the game and saw all the endings. It's called comprehension and if you can do that there is enough evidence in the game to support that what happens is real and what the Catalyst says is truth.

[ByronicX]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

ByronicX wrote...


What? Get your facts straight. Starchild MADE the Reapers not the other way around. Of course it would sound like one. 

What???

So humans who create robots, sound like robots? That doesn't make any sense.

I seriously don't believe Starchild made the reapers.

Have you ever noticed that it says "I know you've thought about destroying us"? "US"

It can't be talking in plural - because up until that point, you've never even heard about the ghost child. 
It's talking about the reapers. They are talking through the child.

You just dont get the concept of a "catalyst" ,do you? 

[jpraelster93]

ByronicX wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Ang3l o Xn6 wrote...

What ? people still think the I.T is right ? damn people are so dumb

your calling people dumb because of something bioware doesnt have the guts to come out and just say this theory is wrong if they did that then maybe people would stop believing it but sadly they dont have the guts to do that

No, you dont have the guts to change your mind. Not even with all the evidence against it. You know how you call that? Ignorance. 

sorry not seeing any evidence in the extended cut that helps disprove it

[Silhouett3]

MegaSovereign wrote...

If IT was true, they wouldn't have expanded on the "hallucination" scenes.

Maybe they aren't hallunications now. With IT we didn't know what happened to squadmates before, now we have at least some closure as the ones behind monitors. I didn't see endings yet thou, what happens in synthesis for example? Is it full of synthesized little blue children?

[v0rt3x22]

LazyTechGuy wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

LazyTechGuy wrote...

Showing Shepard lives allows some to imagine the crew reunion and a happy ever after ending, but the Shepard story is over. You fill it in with your own imagination. Would I have liked to see that ending? Yeah. BW must've decided to allow us to close out our story in our own minds rather than telling it for us. After all the complaining about it being "our story", I can see where they're coming from.

You don't honestly belief that BioWare shows Shepard moving and leaves the rest to our imagination.

I believe that's the best you're going to get.  IT itself is just another form of imagination.  Not in the sense that you're crazy or delusional, but just that you interpret the ending differently and play it out from a different angle in your head.  Nothing wrong with that.  I think IT is pretty neat.  I lean towards the literal ending in my playthrough, that's all.

and that's fair enough.

[TheKillerAngel]

Well, IT is officially bunk. What say you?

[ByronicX]

jpraelster93 wrote...

ByronicX wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Ang3l o Xn6 wrote...

What ? people still think the I.T is right ? damn people are so dumb

your calling people dumb because of something bioware doesnt have the guts to come out and just say this theory is wrong if they did that then maybe people would stop believing it but sadly they dont have the guts to do that

No, you dont have the guts to change your mind. Not even with all the evidence against it. You know how you call that? Ignorance. 

sorry not seeing any evidence in the extended cut that helps disprove it

Well, thats why i called you ignorant.

[Razerath]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

Yes it does and I called it in the topic you flamed me in a day or two ago.

http://social.biowar.../index/12730160

It's disproven because the choices Shepard can make are REAL which means none of it was a dream. The most IT has now is that they tried to indoctrinate Shepard at one point. And well... duh. 

The refusal ending is more evidence to the IT by giving shepard another way to not be indoctrinated

LOL no it's not. Keep grasping at your straws. I proved you wrong before the EC even dropped by calling it all damn near exactly as it happens.

You'll eventually understand this but I am done giving you my time.

I dont speak troll

And I don't speak stupid. You're ignorant IT claims were ignorant and now you're being even more ignorant by saying that you need time to figure it all out.

It's over, give it up. Love it or lump it.

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Well I guess the catalyst got its last laugh, my screen is green and blue right now instead of red

[v0rt3x22]

ByronicX wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

ByronicX wrote...


What? Get your facts straight. Starchild MADE the Reapers not the other way around. Of course it would sound like one. 

What???

So humans who create robots, sound like robots? That doesn't make any sense.

I seriously don't believe Starchild made the reapers.

Have you ever noticed that it says "I know you've thought about destroying us"? "US"

It can't be talking in plural - because up until that point, you've never even heard about the ghost child. 
It's talking about the reapers. They are talking through the child.

You just dont get the concept of a "catalyst" ,do you? 

Not sure where you're going with this. I know the meaning if that's what you ask.

[masster blaster]

Modernpreacher wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Brother Takka wrote...

I know there is still the Breath part at the end, but I just think that's Bioware saying Shep lives. .

Yes but why would they bother showing this?
They could just leave the entire thing to your imagination.

And why would they only show it with the "Destroy" ending?

Think about it...

Well, because on Control he isn't alive to take a breath. He's a super reaper.

And on Synth, he's dead.

Reject everyone dies.


I understand why Destroy is red now after seeing the ending changes by the by...

The Star Child is trying to make things right, over and over. He's caught in a logic loop.

The Crucible is like a big giant memory stick, it flies into the Citadel and allows the Catalyst to break the loop. He can then actually change the outcome, which up to that point has sucked for all parties involved really.

But he can't actually make the change. He's just the Catalyst. He is what enables the change to occur, but he doesn't actually do the change himself. He needs someone to do it.


By that logic, Destroy is kind of a renegade choice. Shep lives at the end, but the cost is greater, the loss of the Geth, Edi, other synthetic life. He chooses his own life over the lives of innocents. That's renegade. So he takes a breath at the end. It's showing you flat out that you won, but at a high cost. 


Control is blue, because he sacrifices his corporeal form to win. He lives, but his cost is greater than the common man's. That's paragon.


Green is still weird. I'm still not a fan of space magic.

But remeber Green nobody contolrs the Reapers and each Reaper is independent. So Why would they obey to stay good and just because there is a enew Dna does not mean there still can be war. and in Control why would they even let an Organic control the Reapes. i wondn't because if ther is a slit chanse that it does ot work or even they trick Shepard into becoming a Reaper then why?

 And destroy does not mean Renegade it's is actually Paragon that Bioware stated and the refues ending why is that there because that was the result if Shepard try to refuse what was happening in his, or her mind which support's IT even more.

[v0rt3x22]

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Well, IT is officially bunk. What say you?

No.

[dreamgazer]

Razerath wrote...

It will change, maybe not today and maybe not tomorrow but all you IT people will see that you were wrong and likely just complain about how the ending is "as crappy as ever" even though it was always good. I knew why because I didn't need the EC to hold my hand through it. I understood it the first time I played through the game and saw all the endings. It's called comprehension and if you can do that there is enough evidence in the game to support that what happens is real and what the Catalyst says is truth.

Generalization and blanket remarks aren't wise, especially since you have no idea who I am and I've never done a damn thing to ruffle your feathers.

[jpraelster93]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

TheKillerAngel wrote...

Well, IT is officially bunk. What say you?

No.

[blta]

Modernpreacher wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Brother Takka wrote...

I know there is still the Breath part at the end, but I just think that's Bioware saying Shep lives. .

Yes but why would they bother showing this?
They could just leave the entire thing to your imagination.

And why would they only show it with the "Destroy" ending?

Think about it...

Well, because on Control he isn't alive to take a breath. He's a super reaper.

And on Synth, he's dead.

Reject everyone dies.


I understand why Destroy is red now after seeing the ending changes by the by...

The Star Child is trying to make things right, over and over. He's caught in a logic loop.

The Crucible is like a big giant memory stick, it flies into the Citadel and allows the Catalyst to break the loop. He can then actually change the outcome, which up to that point has sucked for all parties involved really.

But he can't actually make the change. He's just the Catalyst. He is what enables the change to occur, but he doesn't actually do the change himself. He needs someone to do it.


By that logic, Destroy is kind of a renegade choice. Shep lives at the end, but the cost is greater, the loss of the Geth, Edi, other synthetic life. He chooses his own life over the lives of innocents. That's renegade. So he takes a breath at the end. It's showing you flat out that you won, but at a high cost. 


Control is blue, because he sacrifices his corporeal form to win. He lives, but his cost is greater than the common man's. That's paragon.


Green is still weird. I'm still not a fan of space magic.

I agree with you, but if I remember correctly he does not know if he will survive after choosing destroy, right? Moreover, it was implyed by the Star Child that he would die too, due to his implants.

[LazyTechGuy]

And yeah, ignore the people saying "I told you so". It's pretty lame of them.

Comedic side question: what in the hell do the Reapers have pumping through that red tube because damn, for all their defenses, that seems like a pretty big single point of failure for their entire race.

[Razerath]

dreamgazer wrote...

Razerath wrote...

It will change, maybe not today and maybe not tomorrow but all you IT people will see that you were wrong and likely just complain about how the ending is "as crappy as ever" even though it was always good. I knew why because I didn't need the EC to hold my hand through it. I understood it the first time I played through the game and saw all the endings. It's called comprehension and if you can do that there is enough evidence in the game to support that what happens is real and what the Catalyst says is truth.

Generalization and blanket remarks aren't wise, especially since you have no idea who I am and I've never done a damn thing to ruffle your feathers.

You have no room to speak, finish the EC and come back before getting huffy. You're making seriously stupid claims about trying to "hold the line" when you don't even know. That's not wise, friend.

[MegaSovereign]

It's not debunked.

But it is basically fanfiction now.

[v0rt3x22]

 Not sure if this answer came through:

Modernpreacher wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Brother Takka wrote...

I know there is still the Breath part at the end, but I just think that's Bioware saying Shep lives. .

Yes but why would they bother showing this?
They could just leave the entire thing to your imagination.

And why would they only show it with the "Destroy" ending?

Think about it...

Well, because on Control he isn't alive to take a breath. He's a super reaper.

And on Synth, he's dead.

Reject everyone dies.


I understand why Destroy is red now after seeing the ending changes by the by...

The Star Child is trying to make things right, over and over. He's caught in a logic loop.

The Crucible is like a big giant memory stick, it flies into the Citadel and allows the Catalyst to break the loop. He can then actually change the outcome, which up to that point has sucked for all parties involved really.

But he can't actually make the change. He's just the Catalyst. He is what enables the change to occur, but he doesn't actually do the change himself. He needs someone to do it.


By that logic, Destroy is kind of a renegade choice. Shep lives at the end, but the cost is greater, the loss of the Geth, Edi, other synthetic life. He chooses his own life over the lives of innocents. That's renegade. So he takes a breath at the end. It's showing you flat out that you won, but at a high cost. 


Control is blue, because he sacrifices his corporeal form to win. He lives, but his cost is greater than the common man's. That's paragon.


Green is still weird. I'm still not a fan of space magic.

Have you seen Shepard's eyes in Control / Synth ending? They are indoctrinated.

As you correctly noticed: Destroy is kind of a renegade choice.

But its the only ending where Shepard's eyes do not change.
The whole point of the dream sequence - and the star child is that - in a last attempt - the Reapers are trying to indoctrinate you - which is why Shepard wakes up during Destroy - because he breaks free of that attempt.

Starchild - controlled by the Reapers - is trying to prevent you from choosing red all along.

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 26 juin 2012 - 02:19 .

[Smeffects]

Until Nolan comes publicly and state that the dark knight and the dark knight rise arent dreams, i will believe in Bruce Wayne's comma theory. I honestly think that Bruce was also shot with his parents as a kid and was in a comma since then. He simply dreams being batman as a revenge against crime. As you can see in every film Bruce has other subsequant dream sequence about the murder of his parent, further proving to me that he never moved from that very place in his mind. Overall no one can tell me that i am wrong, except Chris Nolan.

[v0rt3x22]

MegaSovereign wrote...

It's not debunked.

But it is basically fanfiction now.

What makes you say that?

(lol I'm taking on everyone in this thread )

[MegaSovereign]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

MegaSovereign wrote...

It's not debunked.

But it is basically fanfiction now.

What makes you say that?

(lol I'm taking on everyone in this thread )

The EC didn't really change the ending, just clarified it. And it's unlikely they'll do an extended cut 2.0.