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[nullobject]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

It makes no sense to show Shepard alive - unless what we see wasn't actually real.

So on one hand we have:

- Deep Breath is a little odd in context of the Destroy ending as Shepard should probably be meatpaste.

On the other hand we have:

- "Deep Breath" is a reward for an exceptionally high score, meaning perhaps it's understandable that something extremely unlikely but not impossible might be allowed to happen in it. Also, Shepard is worse than meatpaste in the other two endings, so it wouldn't make any sense to show it to people who chose those. If they are going to give you a "Shapard lives" easter-egg scene, Destroy is the only option.



Now consider that in context:

- Bioware just spent big piles of time and money making a new ending DLC that expands on the endings given, taking them completely seriously, and removes many of the plot holes and inconsistencies that prompted the IT 

- The supposed theme of the "real, true" ending DLC - Indoctrination - has had countless youtube videos and forum threads posted about it. At this point in time the most likely interpretation, should Bioware release an Indoctrination-based ending DLC, is that they copied the idea from their fans. They've had enough time.

- The potential reward to Bioware of a "real, true" ending DLC gets smaller and smaller as time goes on, as people care less and less about the game with time. 

- The damage to their brand from the supposed "false" endings gets larger and larger as time goes on, as people give up on the hope of a real proper ending and figure Bioware meant it all along.

- Releasing the EC and claiming it is the final take on the ME3 endings has caused further damage to the Bioware brand - check the various EC threads for reactions. This could have been avoided this by just working on the "real, true" ending and releasing that instead.

[SquishyAsari]

 I found it funny when Hackett said there was reports someone made it through the conduit, and that was Shepard. 
Yet, Anderson is already ahead of Shephard, that would make two people that made it through the conduit.

Indoctrination/Hallucination. 

[ThisOneIsPunny]

Razerath wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Razerath wrote...

It will change, maybe not today and maybe not tomorrow but all you IT people will see that you were wrong and likely just complain about how the ending is "as crappy as ever" even though it was always good. I knew why because I didn't need the EC to hold my hand through it. I understood it the first time I played through the game and saw all the endings. It's called comprehension and if you can do that there is enough evidence in the game to support that what happens is real and what the Catalyst says is truth.

Generalization and blanket remarks aren't wise, especially since you have no idea who I am and I've never done a damn thing to ruffle your feathers.

You have no room to speak, finish the EC and come back before getting huffy. You're making seriously stupid claims about trying to "hold the line" when you don't even know. That's not wise, friend.

 Really, now? I thought you were leaving, but you stay here to gripe at us.
Please, just save your time and be on your way.

[Aedera]

Dear god. Relax people. No one is right and no one is wrong. The ending is what you make of it. If you think shep is indoctrinated, that is fine. If you believe in space magic, you are weird... I mean that is fine. If YOUR shep blew all synthetics to bits so you can go bump uglies with Miranda, while the most correct of answers, doesn't make it right for you. Congrats trolls, today is your day because you are right about everything...but also wrong about everything. Our shep, our story and bioware had no way of giving everyone what they wanted. So they took this route. Not an elegant solution but what could they do?

[dreamgazer]

Razerath wrote...

You have no room to speak, finish the EC and come back before getting huffy. You're making seriously stupid claims about trying to "hold the line" when you don't even know. That's not wise, friend.

In the original context of the story, the interpretation of in-game devices holds water as an interpretation. That's not holding any specific "line"; that's my opinion based on the nature of the story as it was presented, and not hinged on the projections of the theory.

I have plenty of room to speak, sir, and lumping everyone in the same group just because they make a post in this thread is the wrong path to take. But, as I said, we'll see what happens after I've digested the new information. My position/outlook on the original cut, however, remains firm.

[Razerath]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Razerath wrote...

dreamgazer wrote...

Razerath wrote...

It will change, maybe not today and maybe not tomorrow but all you IT people will see that you were wrong and likely just complain about how the ending is "as crappy as ever" even though it was always good. I knew why because I didn't need the EC to hold my hand through it. I understood it the first time I played through the game and saw all the endings. It's called comprehension and if you can do that there is enough evidence in the game to support that what happens is real and what the Catalyst says is truth.

Generalization and blanket remarks aren't wise, especially since you have no idea who I am and I've never done a damn thing to ruffle your feathers.

You have no room to speak, finish the EC and come back before getting huffy. You're making seriously stupid claims about trying to "hold the line" when you don't even know. That's not wise, friend.

 Really, now? I thought you were leaving, but you stay here to gripe at us.
Please, just save your time and be on your way.

That is your answer? Typical.

[Smeffects]

Another part of my Bruce Wayne comma theory, is that at the end of batman begin. Bruce finds his fathers stethoscope in the remain of the house. Something does not work about that scene, no stethoscope would survive such a huge fire as most of it is plastic. Its pretty clear this is part of the comma/dream. The stethoscope was a symbol for Bruce Wayne subconsious trying to tell him hes still a kid on a hospital bed after getting shot with his parents. Its a very clear give away for dark knight and dark knight rise as being comma/dreams. Im awaiting Bruce Wayne waking up after Dark knight rise.

[EpyonX3]

Why no PC download yet Bioware?

[masster blaster]

But why would they create a new ending that's called ' REFUSE" what are we refusing to give up on Shepard, to let the Reapers win, to let your war assets do the best they can since they may die in the end, or are we refusing to let go of SHEPARD.

I any case i think that they added the Refuse ending because it razzes more speculations about what happened really at the end of ME3, and maybe in ME4 we will find out the true about what really happened, and if you think about it if they wanted to make an ME4 then what will the new villains be because one synthesis brings peace, and control well Shepard control the Reapers in which case nobody will ever try to threaten Shepard's galaxy ever again.

Also if they did want to make an ME4 then why add the Refuse ending and why do we have to fight the Reapers again in ME4 since we can do that option, and it makes no sense to fight them again because we already know about Harby the Reapers and mostly every thing that was in ME1-ME3. And if they wanted to leave it up to the fans then how do they expect to make ME4 unless the pick destroy ending, which open new doors to a new enemy the Beings of light, in which case I want to ask them

" WHERE THE HELL WERE YOU FOR THE LAST BILLION YEARS?"

Modifié par masster blaster, 26 juin 2012 - 02:39 .

[Razerath]

dreamgazer wrote...

Razerath wrote...

You have no room to speak, finish the EC and come back before getting huffy. You're making seriously stupid claims about trying to "hold the line" when you don't even know. That's not wise, friend.

In the original context of the story, the interpretation of in-game devices holds water as an interpretation. That's not holding any specific "line"; that's my opinion based on the nature of the story as it was presented, and not hinged on the projections of the theory.

I have plenty of room to speak, sir, and lumping everyone in the same group just because they make a post in this thread is the wrong path to take. But, as I said, we'll see what happens after I've digested the new information. My position/outlook on the original cut, however, remains firm.

Oh don't be taken back by the fact that I lumped you into a group with other IT supporters. That's just trite and avoiding the whole situation as it stands.

Let me help you. You don't need the EC. Imagine that what the Catalyst says is pretty much true and you are working with it to stop the cycles forever. Fill in some of the "I don't quite get it" moments while talking to the Catalyst with a simple amount of logic and you will already have seen the EC.

[Lyria]

*walks in sees a s&#%storm a brewin'*

So how about that EC?

Anyone see GBGriffin?

Also, can we stop with the blanket generalizations on both sides of the IT aisle?

[v0rt3x22]

nullobject wrote...

On the other hand we have:

- "Deep Breath" is a reward for an exceptionally high score, meaning perhaps it's understandable that something extremely unlikely but not impossible might be allowed to happen in it. Also, Shepard is worse than meatpaste in the other two endings, so it wouldn't make any sense to show it to people who chose those. If they are going to give you a "Shapard lives" easter-egg scene, Destroy is the only option.

I could go deeper in IT - to explain this one - but only if you want me to.

Now consider that in context:

- Bioware just spent big piles of time and money making a new ending DLC that expands on the endings given, taking them completely seriously, and removes many of the plot holes and inconsistencies that prompted the IT

Removes? Which ones?

- The supposed theme of the "real, true" ending DLC - Indoctrination - has had countless youtube videos and forum threads posted about it. At this point in time the most likely interpretation, should Bioware release an Indoctrination-based ending DLC, is that they copied the idea from their fans. They've had enough time.

I have to agree with you here. Assuming that IT was the masterplan of BioWare all along - I do not see why they don't reveal it earlier - seeing how much damage it has done.

But there is no reason to believe, if they do reveal it - that it was copied or adopted by the community.

- The potential reward to Bioware of a "real, true" ending DLC gets smaller and smaller as time goes on, as people care less and less about the game with time. 

True again - but that doesn't disprove the theory. Plus - if they do announce Mass Effect 4 (e.g.) with Shepard returning (and IT being the bridge between the two games) - I see a lot of people coming back. Even the ones who say they won't. It's happening a lot with CoD.

- The damage to their brand from the supposed "false" endings gets larger and larger as time goes on, as people give up on the hope of a real proper ending and figure Bioware meant it all along.

Yes I agree with you here as well.

- Releasing the EC and claiming it is the final take on the ME3 endings has caused further damage to the Bioware brand - check the various EC threads for reactions. This could have been avoided this by just working on the "real, true" ending and releasing that instead.

Tell that to BioWare. I know what you're saying and I find it odd as well - but that is no reason to believe that IT is false.

[v0rt3x22]

Aedera wrote...

Dear god. Relax people. No one is right and no one is wrong. The ending is what you make of it. If you think shep is indoctrinated, that is fine. If you believe in space magic, you are weird... I mean that is fine. If YOUR shep blew all synthetics to bits so you can go bump uglies with Miranda, while the most correct of answers, doesn't make it right for you. Congrats trolls, today is your day because you are right about everything...but also wrong about everything. Our shep, our story and bioware had no way of giving everyone what they wanted. So they took this route. Not an elegant solution but what could they do?

Wrong. I'm right 

Just kidding <3

[estebanus]

Oh look, it's Razerath.

Still think the world will end in nuclear fire because launching a nuke is so extremely easy?

[OdanUrr]

Aedera wrote...

Our shep, our story (...)

I always thought that was the whole point.

[jpraelster93]

OdanUrr wrote...

Aedera wrote...

Our shep, our story (...)

I always thought that was the whole point.

[Aedera]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Aedera wrote...

Dear god. Relax people. No one is right and no one is wrong. The ending is what you make of it. If you think shep is indoctrinated, that is fine. If you believe in space magic, you are weird... I mean that is fine. If YOUR shep blew all synthetics to bits so you can go bump uglies with Miranda, while the most correct of answers, doesn't make it right for you. Congrats trolls, today is your day because you are right about everything...but also wrong about everything. Our shep, our story and bioware had no way of giving everyone what they wanted. So they took this route. Not an elegant solution but what could they do?

Wrong. I'm right 

Just kidding <3

I lol'd. 

[Smeffects]

Another good part of my Bruce Wayne comma theory. When Batman is interrogating joker in the dark knight: Bruce ask joker: why do you want to kill me? Joker answer is as follow: I dont wanna kill you, what would i do without you, you complete me. Which further prouves my points. Joker is part of Bruce, because Bruce is in a comma dreaming. So technically joker is right all along. Damn im good.

Modifié par Smeffects, 26 juin 2012 - 02:38 .

[v0rt3x22]

I think we should petition for BioWare to give us a direct answer about IT.

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

Modernpreacher wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Brother Takka wrote...

I know there is still the Breath part at the end, but I just think that's Bioware saying Shep lives. .

Yes but why would they bother showing this?
They could just leave the entire thing to your imagination.

And why would they only show it with the "Destroy" ending?

Think about it...

Well, because on Control he isn't alive to take a breath. He's a super reaper.

And on Synth, he's dead.

Reject everyone dies.


I understand why Destroy is red now after seeing the ending changes by the by...

The Star Child is trying to make things right, over and over. He's caught in a logic loop.

The Crucible is like a big giant memory stick, it flies into the Citadel and allows the Catalyst to break the loop. He can then actually change the outcome, which up to that point has sucked for all parties involved really.

But he can't actually make the change. He's just the Catalyst. He is what enables the change to occur, but he doesn't actually do the change himself. He needs someone to do it.


By that logic, Destroy is kind of a renegade choice. Shep lives at the end, but the cost is greater, the loss of the Geth, Edi, other synthetic life. He chooses his own life over the lives of innocents. That's renegade. So he takes a breath at the end. It's showing you flat out that you won, but at a high cost. 


Control is blue, because he sacrifices his corporeal form to win. He lives, but his cost is greater than the common man's. That's paragon.


Green is still weird. I'm still not a fan of space magic.

But remeber Green nobody contolrs the Reapers and each Reaper is independent. So Why would they obey to stay good and just because there is a enew Dna does not mean there still can be war. and in Control why would they even let an Organic control the Reapes. i wondn't because if ther is a slit chanse that it does ot work or even they trick Shepard into becoming a Reaper then why?

 And destroy does not mean Renegade it's is actually Paragon that Bioware stated and the refues ending why is that there because that was the result if Shepard try to refuse what was happening in his, or her mind which support's IT even more.

[v0rt3x22]

Smeffects wrote...

Damn im good.

...in spamming, yes.

[FellishBeast]

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

Care to elaborate?

IT dictates that rejecting the child is the only way to win, when rejecting him is the only way to lose. <_<

[Smeffects]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

Damn im good.

...in spamming, yes.

What about this one, in the new dark knight rise trailer. Bane can clearly be heard saying: Wake up mister Wayne. I think i rest my case, Bruce is in a comma 2012. Be part of the theory, all will be revealed 20 july 2012 (or in a later film if bruce doesent wake up at the end of that one)

Modifié par Smeffects, 26 juin 2012 - 02:42 .

[Lyria]

OdanUrr wrote...

Aedera wrote...

Our shep, our story (...)

I always thought that was the whole point.

Some people fail to see the game as one of personal choices. Instead they like to think that this is a right/wrong objective issue as opposed to the subjective issue it really is.

Everyone's game and interoperation is going to be different. Some just can't handle that others think differently.

[masster blaster]

FellishBeast wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

Care to elaborate?

IT dictates that rejecting the child is the only way to win, when rejecting him is the only way to lose. <_<

Then what's the point of ME4 then if there is peace in the galaxy in the ending Synthesis, and the Control ending in which case if a new enemy were to apper they will have to go through Shepard and the Reapers. And the Refuse ening well I hate to say it sucks if we have to fight the Reapers all over again and we have to learn about everything all over again.

Modifié par masster blaster, 26 juin 2012 - 02:42 .