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[EpyonX3]

I can't play EC. WHY?

[Lokanaiya]

First, ignore the trolls, guys. It's not worth it, it really isn't.

And second, somebody ask the Bioware devs if they're going to stop being so cryptic now.

Back to class now.

[masster blaster]

masster blaster wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

Care to elaborate?

IT dictates that rejecting the child is the only way to win, when rejecting him is the only way to lose. <_<

Then what's the point of ME4 then if there is peace in the galaxy in the ending Synthesis, and the Control ending in which case if a new enemy were to apper they will have to go through Shepard and the Reapers. And the Refuse ening well I hate to say it sucks if we have to fight the Reapers all over again and we have to learn about everything all over again.

[FellishBeast]

masster blaster wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

jpraelster93 wrote...

Wish people would stop saying the ec disproves the IT it really doesnt

Care to elaborate?

IT dictates that rejecting the child is the only way to win, when rejecting him is the only way to lose. <_<

Then what's the point of ME4 then if there is peace in the galaxy in the ending Synthesis, and the Control ending in which case if a new enemy were to apper they will have to go through Shepard and the Reapers. And the Refuse ening well I hate to say it sucks if we have to fight the Reapers all over again and we have to learn about everything all over again.

The problem in your theory is that you are assuming there is/need to be a ME4. Which is something as far as we know will not happen. If it does happen it does not mean it will tie into the ending either.

But there will Be an ME4 Bioware was talking about it and it's a Trilogy

Are you f***ing serious? I hope you're trolling, I really do.

No I am not Bioware said this is the end for Shepard but not the ME universy.

You just said there will be a ME4 because ME is a trilogy. Or do you not understand English?

[Silhouett3]

As I have stated before, the ending at face value and the Catalyst is basically still manipulation.

Catalyst - You have altered the variables...Crucible changed me... If there is to be a new solution, you must act.

Yet the cycle does continue without any altered variations if you just be the Shepard you have been throughout 3 games, pursue your ultimate goal which is to go after your own terms and not obey with any choice a Reaper offers. Liara says through the capsule "Crucible didn't work" plain and simple.

As long as this isn't explained, the ending is face value still contradicts the established lore.

Debunkers, please have a try at this.

[Sovereign24]

Bioware just curbstomped IT.

RIP

[v0rt3x22]

FellishBeast wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

nullobject wrote...

Why put all this effort into "fixing" a hallucination sequence? According to the IT, the whole point of these inconsistencies was that they showed the clever people that "it was all just a dream"?

Sorry - as stuborn as I may sound - those changes don't debunk the individual ideas that form the theory.

Is there anything they added in the EC that you think supports IT?

Yes - the fact that Starchild now has a reaper voice when you reject it.

It ties directly to the idea of IT - which theorizes that the "Starchild" is nothing more but a fabrication of the reapers - in a last attempt to indoctrinate you.

I discussed this about 4-5 pages ago - if you want to read through it. it's a bit lengthy.

But the short interpretation is this:

IT revolves around the idea that everything in the last 20 minutes isn't actually happening and is all going on in Shepards mind.

The reapers want shepard alive - indoctrinated - and the last 20 minutes are the final attempt for them to do so.

Anderson = Good side
Starchild / TIM = Bad side (The repears trying to trick Shepard into indoctrination)

The fact that you can now reject starchild - and in doing so - it talks in a reaper tone seems to strengthen the theory that Starchild is just a fabrication.

It is lying to you - and is trying to prevent you from using the destroy option (which would break the indoc attempt)

[FellishBeast]

Did anyone notice any new scenes during Cronos station? I didn't. The VI might have added a line, but that was it as far as I could tell. I thought they said there would be 2 new scenes or something at least.

[Razerath]

Lokanaiya wrote...

First, ignore the trolls, guys. It's not worth it, it really isn't.

And second, somebody ask the Bioware devs if they're going to stop being so cryptic now.

Back to class now.

If you get an answer it's going to be this.

"Ahem, we already tried to tell you with the first endings that it is very literal and the choices Shepard makes are real and important. Hence the endings. We now held your hand with an EC of the endings to explain things a little bit more in detail to you because it's obvious you took a secondary plot point like indoctrination and ran with it. We did this even though you who took a dump on our writing and our game and claimed you had a better ending. The answer we have tried to tell you twice now without calling you stupid outright is a big fat HELL NO."

[EpyonX3]

FellishBeast wrote...

Did anyone notice any new scenes during Cronos station? I didn't. The VI might have added a line, but that was it as far as I could tell. I thought they said there would be 2 new scenes or something at least.

Here's the Vendetta conversation before EC.

[Razerath]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

It is lying to you - and is trying to prevent you from using the destroy option (which would break the indoc attempt)

Or... it knows that if you choose destroy you'd be dooming everything to some race of machines in the future. Like it is said in the game.

[ean0611]

http://twitter.com/J...607553838874625

Has anyone saw that? She knew exactly what he meant. This is intentional.

Bioware. FINE! Take my money! SELL ME A GOD DAMN DLC to finish off the reapers. I want a fight with Harbinger.

[v0rt3x22]

nullobject wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

nullobject wrote...

Why put all this effort into "fixing" a hallucination sequence? According to the IT, the whole point of these inconsistencies was that they showed the clever people that "it was all just a dream"?

Sorry - as stuborn as I may sound - those changes don't debunk the individual ideas that form the theory.

You quoted my question, then did not answer it. 

Even if you claim these changes don't contradict the IT (I think they do), you surely aren't arguing that they further confirm it, are you? What possible explanation do you have for why Bioware would do all this work altering insignificant (according to the IT) elements of a dream sequence?

Woops sorry.

Well - BioWare have already said that they don't want to confirm nor deny IT - so I'm not entirely sure why they would alter those elements. I'd have to get my head around to it - but my stance remains - IT isn't confirmed - but it's not debunked either.

[nullobject]

Silhouett3 wrote...

As I have stated before, the ending at face value and the Catalyst is basically still manipulation.

Catalyst - You have altered the variables...Crucible changed me... If there is to be a new solution, you must act.

Yet the cycle does continue without any altered variations if you just be the Shepard you have been throughout 3 games, pursue your ultimate goal which is to go after your own terms and not obey with any choice a Reaper offers. Liara says through the capsule "Crucible didn't work" plain and simple.

As long as this isn't explained, the ending is face value still contradicts the established lore.

Debunkers, please have a try at this.

Easy, Bioware wrote an ending that  doesn't make sense and has plot holes. Welcome to 3 months ago.

The IT was about how it really did make sense, once you crack the super-sekrit code. Then Bioware were supposed to release new DLC explaining the super-sekrit code to everyone else and we'd all hail them as geniuses.

Instead of that, now you're left with "my headcanon fills some plot holes".

[Makrys]

Well, I just finished.

I got nothing I wanted. The IT was pretty much debunked. And if that were the case, all I really wanted was an LI reunion. To be with Liara.

Nope. Didn't even give me that.

As of now, my thoughts are, "F*** YOU, BIOWARE". Why the hell is the breathe scene still there? F*** all of it. It was such s***. I now have even more questions.

I can't believe they just stripped away all of my desire to play the trilogy again. The EC changed nothing for me. In fact, it probably made it worse.

This is disgusting and frankly, insulting.

[v0rt3x22]

Razerath wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

It is lying to you - and is trying to prevent you from using the destroy option (which would break the indoc attempt)

Or... it knows that if you choose destroy you'd be dooming everything to some race of machines in the future. Like it is said in the game.

Starchild says: "I know you've thought about destroying us" "US" - it cannot possibly mean the "ghost people" - because up to this point shepard has never even heard of Starchild.

It's the reapers talking through starchild. That's just my opinion anyway.

[v0rt3x22]

Makrys wrote...

The IT was pretty much debunked.

You out of all people  How can you say that?

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 26 juin 2012 - 03:10 .

[MegaSovereign]

So those epilogue scenes are now part of the dream sequence?

Come on people, seriously?

[Bendigoe]

1185 pages of not-mattering-anymore.

[Smeffects]

v0rt3x22 wrote...
The fact that you can now reject starchild - and in doing so - it talks in a reaper tone seems to strengthen the theory that Starchild is just a fabrication.

Except you are leaving the biggest part of reject out: If you reject you instantly fail the mission, die, everyone dies and the cycle continue. You still only stay alive in destroy. Basicly in BW messed up logic, destroy is the renegade ending where you saved yourself somehow, because you decided sacrifice of the geth, edi and the reapers is good enough. They even go to great lenght in the EC to explain to you the reaper dont have a choice in the war, they do what they belive they must. If they are told otherwise they will stop. Trying to paint them in a better light, synthesis even goes further and explain they share their knowledge. IF Reject supported IT like Destroy did, you be alive and kicking at the end too.

[Tirian Thorn]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

You can view the new endings here. (Sorry if a repost, I didn't see this anywhere else.)

http://www.computera...ew-ending-here/

As for me - well, it doesn't look like IT is going to be part of Bioware's "plan." Regardless, it is fantastic head-cannon/fanfiction and I am proud to have been a part of this discussion for so long.

[v0rt3x22]

MegaSovereign wrote...

So those epilogue scenes are now part of the dream sequence?

Come on people, seriously?

The epilogue scenes (according to IT) have always been part of the dream sequence....

[ean0611]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

It is lying to you - and is trying to prevent you from using the destroy option (which would break the indoc attempt)

Or... it knows that if you choose destroy you'd be dooming everything to some race of machines in the future. Like it is said in the game.

Starchild says: "I know you've thought about destroying us" "US" - it cannot possibly mean the "ghost people" - because up to this point shepard has never even heard of Starchild.

It's the reapers talking through starchild. That's just my opinion anyway.

You have to be right. If you reject the child's options, you get Harbinger's voice.

If that isn't a HUGE clue right there, with a NEW engine when they said "No new engings", I don't know what to tell you all. 

Seriously, Relax. Bioware will have more weekend fun with multiplayer, and eventually get to Firebase earth, and will add in the real fight against Harbinger. I'm calling it right now.

[nullobject]

ean0611 wrote...

Seriously, Relax. Bioware will have more weekend fun with multiplayer, and eventually get to Firebase earth, and will add in the real fight against Harbinger. I'm calling it right now.

Want to put some money on that?

[Warlegend]

Still weird, that they put in all that dream Sequences with the child without reflecting on it in the end of the game. This reference to the last scene after Harbinger attack was may strongest evidence for IT... Now that they have put into (without any purpose) a lot of clues for such theory, its crazy that they are not even true.