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[v0rt3x22]

Smeffects wrote...

Basicly in BW messed up logic, destroy is the renegade ending

This has always been part of IT. The fact that that destroy is renegade - is the starchild lying to you - and trying to throw you off.

IF Reject supported IT like Destroy did, you be alive and kicking at the end too.

Yes but do you actually see what happens to Shepard?

[ean0611]

nullobject wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

Seriously, Relax. Bioware will have more weekend fun with multiplayer, and eventually get to Firebase earth, and will add in the real fight against Harbinger. I'm calling it right now.

Want to put some money on that?

$20 to the charity of the winner's choice?

[zambot]

Here's the problem. Bioware wants to encourage alternate interpretations. It both validates their art and keeps people talking about the game. The problem is that IT isn't a complete alternative interpretation. Instead of offing an alternative explanation for the ending, it tries to explain that the ending isn't really an ending at all. That is clearly not what Bioware is intending. They've now produced the same ending, twice. They've all but said, "It's over. Go home." Ferris Bueller style.

If IT could actually offer an ending, then Bioware's desire that people can still speculate about it has legs. But IT has not ever offered us an ending. Unless it can, it should be relegated to the "wouldn't it be cool if...." category.

Modifié par zambot, 26 juin 2012 - 03:16 .

[Pavs719]

we all play shep, so if he/she is not the main character in 4. I WILL NOT BE BUYING IT.

[Razerath]

ean0611 wrote...

http://twitter.com/J...607553838874625

Has anyone saw that? She knew exactly what he meant. This is intentional.

Bioware. FINE! Take my money! SELL ME A GOD DAMN DLC to finish off the reapers. I want a fight with Harbinger.

Because Destroy is worse than Refusal.

Refusal the Catalyst can still find a "new" Shepard to help solve the problem of chaos and create peace someday. Choosing Destroy means it will never happen and unless by luck another Reaper AI is created with the same guidelines as the Catalyst, everything in the galaxy is eventually doomed. Synthetics will kill organics and never gain "true understanding".

Control helps the issue because Shepard can instead of the cycles, stick around in Reaper form as an armada of super robots to keep everything in check as best as he can. Even the Catalyst allowing this shows the connection it has for wanting peace. The Catalyst is willing to give up it's solution to let it's organic counterpart try his/her own way.

Synthesis is the true good ending. It's how it all stops and even though it's deeply rooted in sci-fi, the idea is extremely plausible. Not to mention the Catalyst basically says that not only will all life be saved, so will those preserved in Reaper form.

[YakFace]

I love the original ending and I really support the Indoctrination theory, but I don't like at all the extended endings, sorry.
I was expecting a new single campaign DLC, I can't understand the waste of time and money to make a DLC that is only more videos and slideshows. Several months only to make videos?? And why is this a DLC?? Bioware, just put a video in the official website for all the trolls and whiners that didn't like the original ending and work in real DLCs. But you know, now it's too late, a lot of us are not interested anymore in ME3.

[FellishBeast]

Makrys wrote...

Well, I just finished.

I got nothing I wanted. The IT was pretty much debunked. And if that were the case, all I really wanted was an LI reunion. To be with Liara.

Nope. Didn't even give me that.

As of now, my thoughts are, "F*** YOU, BIOWARE". Why the hell is the breathe scene still there? F*** all of it. It was such s***. I now have even more questions.

I can't believe they just stripped away all of my desire to play the trilogy again. The EC changed nothing for me. In fact, it probably made it worse.

This is disgusting and frankly, insulting.

100% agree with you. I chose to reject the kid, and when he used his true voice I jumped and was like "HERE WE GO! YES!! HARBINGER, SHOW YOURSELF!"

Then Shep just stands there and I find out everyone died.

Better than the other endings, I guess...idk. I'm rather pissed.

[masster blaster]

ean0611 wrote...

http://twitter.com/J...607553838874625

Has anyone saw that? She knew exactly what he meant. This is intentional.

Bioware. FINE! Take my money! SELL ME A GOD DAMN DLC to finish off the reapers. I want a fight with Harbinger.

But what does she mean " I take it  you picked Destroy" that's what I don't get at all.

Modifié par masster blaster, 26 juin 2012 - 03:20 .

[FellishBeast]

ean0611 wrote...

nullobject wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

Seriously, Relax. Bioware will have more weekend fun with multiplayer, and eventually get to Firebase earth, and will add in the real fight against Harbinger. I'm calling it right now.

Want to put some money on that?

$20 to the charity of the winner's choice?

Hope you're right.

[Carlthestrange]

Well, no humble pie eating for me. Far as I am concerned, the ending put the IT theory to bed.

Just my own opinion though. You are welcome to believe in the IT theory is you still choose to.

[ean0611]

Razerath wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

http://twitter.com/J...607553838874625

Has anyone saw that? She knew exactly what he meant. This is intentional.

Bioware. FINE! Take my money! SELL ME A GOD DAMN DLC to finish off the reapers. I want a fight with Harbinger.

Because Destroy is worse than Refusal.

Refusal the Catalyst can still find a "new" Shepard to help solve the problem of chaos and create peace someday. Choosing Destroy means it will never happen and unless by luck another Reaper AI is created with the same guidelines as the Catalyst, everything in the galaxy is eventually doomed. Synthetics will kill organics and never gain "true understanding".

Control helps the issue because Shepard can instead of the cycles, stick around in Reaper form as an armada of super robots to keep everything in check as best as he can. Even the Catalyst allowing this shows the connection it has for wanting peace. The Catalyst is willing to give up it's solution to let it's organic counterpart try his/her own way.

Synthesis is the true good ending. It's how it all stops and even though it's deeply rooted in sci-fi, the idea is extremely plausible. Not to mention the Catalyst basically says that not only will all life be saved, so will those preserved in Reaper form.

You're indoctrinated.

They didn't change the pattern in which the galaxy "blows up". It STILL does not come from earth on the galaxy map. 

The Gun still changes from Caninfex to Predeator if you choose destory. The eyes still change on synthesis and control.

The star child is proven to be Harbinger based on the brand new reject ending.

Yeah, IT is not dead.

[v0rt3x22]

zambot wrote...

That is clearly not what Bioware is intending. They've now produced the same ending, twice.

I get what you're saying here - I find it strange as well - that despite all the drama - they haven't taken any stance on the theory - and it might end up hurting them more - but also - about producing the same ending twice:

a) EC was not originally planned
It's as you said: the SAME ending twice - so IT has not been debunked (nor confirmed)

If IT could actually offer an ending, then Bioware's desire that people can still speculate about it has legs. But IT has not ever offered us an ending. Unless it can, it should be relegated to the "wouldn't it be cool if...." category.

IT was never meant to be an ending....the way I see it (and interpret it) - the ending is a cliffhanger to a continuation.

"One more story about the shepard"?
Shepard breathing?
The tweets which tell us to hang on to our save games?

All of these indicate a continuation.

[Razerath]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

It is lying to you - and is trying to prevent you from using the destroy option (which would break the indoc attempt)

Or... it knows that if you choose destroy you'd be dooming everything to some race of machines in the future. Like it is said in the game.

Starchild says: "I know you've thought about destroying us" "US" - it cannot possibly mean the "ghost people" - because up to this point shepard has never even heard of Starchild.

It's the reapers talking through starchild. That's just my opinion anyway.

News Flash the Catalyst is the controller of the Reapers. It is the AI program that in fact Reaped it's own creators when it came up with it's solution. The creators of the AI charged with finding a way to keep peace between organics and synthetics ( the chaos ) were made into the first Reaper.

[nullobject]

ean0611 wrote...

nullobject wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

Seriously, Relax. Bioware will have more weekend fun with multiplayer, and eventually get to Firebase earth, and will add in the real fight against Harbinger. I'm calling it right now.

Want to put some money on that?

$20 to the charity of the winner's choice?

Sure.

To clarify, you're claiming Bioware will at some point release Single Player DLC that reveals the current endings aren't real and provides combat with Harbinger (either gameplay or cutscene). Correct?

Whats the horizon date? 3 months?

[masster blaster]

magnetite wrote...

The epilogue scenes (according to IT) have always been part of the dream sequence....

I'd say so, the breath scene takes place near the end.

That's it why would they still have the Breath scene  after the epilogue?

maybe because IT maybe right or I don't know.

[Smeffects]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Smeffects wrote...

Basicly in BW messed up logic, destroy is the renegade ending

This has always been part of IT. The fact that that destroy is renegade - is the starchild lying to you - and trying to throw you off.

IF Reject supported IT like Destroy did, you be alive and kicking at the end too.

Yes but do you actually see what happens to Shepard?

Yes you are dead, as everyone else. If it was a dream where shepard succeded like destroy? Why would he dream that he just failed? Destroy is not renegade because its the the starchild lying, in the light of EC, he is not lying. Its simply him telling you, theres other alternative that dont waste whats left of the reapers civilisations with the risk of keep happening what he was build to prevent. The original reapers were made by starchild against their will. They themselves made the catalyst to prevent all of this, they just didnt know what would be his solution.

He goes to tell you that the reapers dont have a choice. When you pick blue you control them. When you pick green (the best ending according to bioware) You give them what shepard talks about that makes organic different with the catalyst: Freedom. The best ending is that you give the reaper freedom and you all live happily ever after. The second best you control the reaper yourself for greater use. The ok ending you destroy the reaper and every synthetic. The worse ending you dont belive anything he says and leave it to the next cycle to destroy the reaper conventionaly(this can be optained even via dialogue only).

[ean0611]

nullobject wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

nullobject wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

Seriously, Relax. Bioware will have more weekend fun with multiplayer, and eventually get to Firebase earth, and will add in the real fight against Harbinger. I'm calling it right now.

Want to put some money on that?

$20 to the charity of the winner's choice?

Sure.

To clarify, you're claiming Bioware will at some point release Single Player DLC that reveals the current endings aren't real and provides combat with Harbinger (either gameplay or cutscene). Correct?

Whats the horizon date? 3 months?

I'd give it a horizon date of Dec 31st barring another announcement. I pick this because I suspect that they will have the DLC for the holiday season to sell more copies of Mass Effect 3.

[v0rt3x22]

Razerath wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

It is lying to you - and is trying to prevent you from using the destroy option (which would break the indoc attempt)

Or... it knows that if you choose destroy you'd be dooming everything to some race of machines in the future. Like it is said in the game.

Starchild says: "I know you've thought about destroying us" "US" - it cannot possibly mean the "ghost people" - because up to this point shepard has never even heard of Starchild.

It's the reapers talking through starchild. That's just my opinion anyway.

News Flash the Catalyst is the controller of the Reapers. It is the AI program that in fact Reaped it's own creators when it came up with it's solution. The creators of the AI charged with finding a way to keep peace between organics and synthetics ( the chaos ) were made into the first Reaper.

Yes I know...that's what you get when you take the ending literally.
It's the whole "logic" that the kid is trying to make you believe - so that you think what its doing is right.

But I believe that's just a hoax. 

[nullobject]

masster blaster wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

http://twitter.com/J...607553838874625

Has anyone saw that? She knew exactly what he meant. This is intentional.

Bioware. FINE! Take my money! SELL ME A GOD DAMN DLC to finish off the reapers. I want a fight with Harbinger.

But what does she mean " I take it  you picked Destroy" that's what I don't get at all.

Jessica Merizan says lots of wierd stuff on twitter. She's basically a fan, with fan-fic theories, retained by Bioware to help improve their image with fans.

For example, she was claiming at one point that the guys on the Normandy didn't run away like cowards, they crashed on Earth. An Earth that had suddenly grown an extra moon. 
 
Take her tweets seriously at your own risk.

[ean0611]

nullobject wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

http://twitter.com/J...607553838874625

Has anyone saw that? She knew exactly what he meant. This is intentional.

Bioware. FINE! Take my money! SELL ME A GOD DAMN DLC to finish off the reapers. I want a fight with Harbinger.

But what does she mean " I take it  you picked Destroy" that's what I don't get at all.

Jessica Merizan says lots of wierd stuff on twitter. She's basically a fan, with fan-fic theories, retained by Bioware to help improve their image with fans.

For example, she was claiming at one point that the guys on the Normandy didn't run away like cowards, they crashed on Earth. An Earth that had suddenly grown an extra moon. 
 
Take her tweets seriously at your own risk.

In all fairness, her earlier tweets lined up with what EC showed. It is entirely possible she does not know more than an above average fan, but it is also entirely possible that she knows the intent of everything. Data that is not shared, and makes stuff make sense to her.

[v0rt3x22]

nullobject wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

http://twitter.com/J...607553838874625

Has anyone saw that? She knew exactly what he meant. This is intentional.

Bioware. FINE! Take my money! SELL ME A GOD DAMN DLC to finish off the reapers. I want a fight with Harbinger.

But what does she mean " I take it  you picked Destroy" that's what I don't get at all.

Jessica Merizan says lots of wierd stuff on twitter. She's basically a fan, with fan-fic theories, retained by Bioware to help improve their image with fans.

For example, she was claiming at one point that the guys on the Normandy didn't run away like cowards, they crashed on Earth. An Earth that had suddenly grown an extra moon. 
 
Take her tweets seriously at your own risk.

I can't visit Twitter right now (Work) - what did she tweet?

[Razerath]

ean0611 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

ean0611 wrote...

http://twitter.com/J...607553838874625

Has anyone saw that? She knew exactly what he meant. This is intentional.

Bioware. FINE! Take my money! SELL ME A GOD DAMN DLC to finish off the reapers. I want a fight with Harbinger.

Because Destroy is worse than Refusal.

Refusal the Catalyst can still find a "new" Shepard to help solve the problem of chaos and create peace someday. Choosing Destroy means it will never happen and unless by luck another Reaper AI is created with the same guidelines as the Catalyst, everything in the galaxy is eventually doomed. Synthetics will kill organics and never gain "true understanding".

Control helps the issue because Shepard can instead of the cycles, stick around in Reaper form as an armada of super robots to keep everything in check as best as he can. Even the Catalyst allowing this shows the connection it has for wanting peace. The Catalyst is willing to give up it's solution to let it's organic counterpart try his/her own way.

Synthesis is the true good ending. It's how it all stops and even though it's deeply rooted in sci-fi, the idea is extremely plausible. Not to mention the Catalyst basically says that not only will all life be saved, so will those preserved in Reaper form.

You're indoctrinated.

They didn't change the pattern in which the galaxy "blows up". It STILL does not come from earth on the galaxy map. 

The Gun still changes from Caninfex to Predeator if you choose destory. The eyes still change on synthesis and control.

The star child is proven to be Harbinger based on the brand new reject ending.

Yeah, IT is not dead.

LMFAO you're points are so invalid it's funny. Here is why.

1) You're going to call IT true because of a messed up CGI fail that would cost tons of money to fix or redo. Also... the time it would take to redo that scene would be crazy.

2) When I was in Kronos station and TIM popped up in hologram my Shepard took out his pistol ( which was an equiped Carnifex ) and it was the stock Predator in the scene. That happens ALL the time in ALL 3 games. It's a know common thing and it's not hidden at all. How many times in the 3 games did you see Shepard with an Avenger when you weren't using one? Shepards eyes change into something Synthetic. Much like Sarens eyes, TIMS eyes and also Shepards. They all have implants. It's common to technology, not indoctrination. If anything, it's a Paragon/Renegae thing if it's not technology before it would be indoctrination.

3) Starchild is Harbinger because of his voice during that one moment? Turn up your volume when talking to SC. He speaks in many voices actually and some are very adultish. When he sounds like Harbinger he is angered and rightfully so because he see's now that his true hope for an organic is a failure. I'm sorry a lowering of a voice by a synthetic AI computer does not automatically mean it was Harbinger.

[Starbuck8]

Ok, first impression: either BW is trolling everyone really hard, or BW really believes in their endings. The "literal" endings are still kind of confusing for me, but a little easier to like... I'm leaning towards BW stands by the original intent of their endings and they also wanted to add some stuff to make the people who like their literal ending of choice understand them and like them even more. I'm not 100% on either literal interpretation or IT interpretation, but like I said, leaning towards the literal interpretation.

I think I'll post my observations from my playthroughs in for old time's sake, you know, good old fashioned speculation.

Edit: I'm gong to post whatever I say here on our group discussion page as well. It's not going to be easy to have a sane discussion here, so feel free to go there for now, reply to my post or start your own.

Modifié par Starbuck8, 26 juin 2012 - 03:33 .

[v0rt3x22]

Smeffects wrote...

Yes you are dead, as everyone else.

I'll get back to you - I'm going home in a moment.