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[masster blaster]

What the hell is wrong in Synthesis everyone is acting like they are Indoctrinated and correct me if i am wrong but does Synthesis only over wright new DNA so ya, and EDI sounds like a reaper because Immortality and she goes on and on about the Reapers are a blessing and not trying to be a downer again but they all do look Indoctrinated.

[nightcobra]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

I got pissed at starbinger after the choices were laid out and shot him.. so my first playthrough ended with everyone dead. God, I wasn't expecting it at all... laughed myself into tears.

Yes, that was a nice touch. Lol they knew everyone shoots at the kid, and just wouldn't be able to help themselves!

i would have been fine if there were 2 outcomes to that choice

not enough EMS - everyone dies as showed

high enough EMS - conventional victory despite the odds.

[vics20]

well folks.. thats all she wrote.

"No more stories about the Shepard. Time to let him rest."--Paul Tassi, Forbes


The EC still has a lot of the stink of the original endings, like the forced arbitrary choices of control, synthesize, and destroy. While the story and universe of ME isn't as bleak now, the bad taste still lingers and its time to just let it all go.

Pity, this game could have been so much more.

[nightcobra]

llbountyhunter wrote...

I don't think that refusal=lose means IT is false...

Since IT is a mental battle, it means you gave up and refused to fight. Destory would be the only way to keep resisting.


Anyways imstill pretty dissapointed with EC... i mean they changedmore to make sense of that crap than they wouldve needed to if they went with IT!

i've calmed down...a little...That Motherf- ahem, i'm okay just breathe out...

let's see if i can transform the IT a little to adapt to this new....ugh, ending.


from what i can see, refusing sends the brat into reaper voice mode and a bleak conclusion ensues.
if we are to assume that the epilogues are part of the illusion then, why not this bleak outcome as well?
the destroy option is the choice that kills the reapers yes but it was a choice presented by the catalyst.
my point being, any choice picked from the catalyst's options will speed up and strenghten the indocrination process of shepard where as not choosing means the indocrination attempt is still occurring but at slower, weaker state than if sped up by the catalyst's choices meaning there would still be time for shepard to wake and resist the attempt.

[lex0r11]

They went with a refusal path and didn't go a step further?

Make it possible to win WITHOUT the crucible with enough EMS after you refuse.

I don't understand.

Modifié par lex0r11, 26 juin 2012 - 04:43 .

[SirLugash]

Lol I just realised that the Stargazer scene is different as well

[v0rt3x22]

I'm exhausted talking about IT. been doing all day now.

To sum it up: it's not debunked.

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 26 juin 2012 - 04:45 .

[llbountyhunter]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I don't think that refusal=lose means IT is false...

Since IT is a mental battle, it means you gave up and refused to fight. Destory would be the only way to keep resisting.


Anyways imstill pretty dissapointed with EC... i mean they changedmore to make sense of that crap than they wouldve needed to if they went with IT!

i've calmed down...a little...That Motherf- ahem, i'm okay just breathe out...

let's see if i can transform the IT a little to adapt to this new....ugh, ending.


from what i can see, refusing sends the brat into reaper voice mode and a bleak conclusion ensues.
if we are to assume that the epilogues are part of the illusion then, why not this bleak outcome as well?
the destroy option is the choice that kills the reapers yes but it was a choice presented by the catalyst.
my point being, any choice picked from the catalyst's options will speed up and strenghten the indocrination process of shepard where as not choosing means the indocrination attempt is still occurring but at slower, weaker state than if sped up by the catalyst's choices meaning there would still be time for shepard to wake and resist the attempt.

You dont need to adapt IT. It still fits.


I found it especially odd that the breath scene was still at the end... even after they finished regrouping all the repairs... if taken literally that would mean shepard was resting either on earth or the citadel for a couple years...

[lex0r11]

llbountyhunter wrote...


You dont need to adapt IT. It still fits.


I found it especially odd that the breath scene was still at the end... even after they finished regrouping all the repairs... if taken literally that would mean shepard was resting either on earth or the citadel for a couple years...

You shouldn't see it chronological or in real time.
And the breath scene is the biggest cliffhanger, it has to be at the end. Just like Liara not putting up the plate but just holding it. Shepard is MIA.

[Capeo]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Capeo wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

No EC is true, IT hinges on biware not changing the endings.

What hes saying is that the ending is left unclear, just like bioware said it would be.... but that maybe things would be clarified in a future game.

That's some serious mental gymnastics right there.  The endings aren't unclear.  They happened exactly as shown and nothing shown supports IT at all.

Mental gymnastics? im telling you what bioware said...

The EC FAQ calls this the "definitive endings" and that there will be nothing more after this.  When did they say anything about future games besides Casey saying anything further in ME universe would have to take place prior to the ME trilogy?  I see nothing unclear in these endings.  Horrible plotting, yes, but nothing unclear.

[Candidate 88766]

llbountyhunter wrote...

You dont need to adapt IT. It still fits.

It fits, but its obviously not correct.

If the IT is true, there isn't even a shred of evidence that Shepard goes on to defeat the Reapers for real. There is a hint that he is still alive on some rubble, but thats it. If you still believe the IT, then you believe this trilogy ended with the Reapers still on Earth and the story unfinished.

If a 'real' ending was on the way, it would've been in the EC. If you believe the IT, you're saying you believe that Bioware spent months simply expanding the 'fake' endings for literally no reason. None of the new stuff adds to the so-called illusion, and actually severely detracts from it given that all the epilogue slides indicate that the endings in the game were real.

Technically, Bioware has not explicitly stated that the IT is wrong. However, every single thing added in the EC cements the idea that the original endings are real. The EC adds absolutely nothing whatsoever to the IT. If the IT was real, this was their chance to show it. The sole purpose of the IT was so fans could find a way to explain away the plotholes, and provide a valid reason to hope for a 'real' ending that would be forthcoming. We now obviously know thats not the case.

if you wish to believe the IT, you still can - it hasn't been disproven. But it is blatantly obvious it wasn't the intended interpretation, and if you believe that it is then you are just kdding yourself now.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 26 juin 2012 - 04:51 .

[llbountyhunter]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

You dont need to adapt IT. It still fits.

It fits, but its obviously not correct.

If the IT is true, there isn't even a shred of evidence that Shepard goes on to defeat the Reapers for real. There is a hint that he is still alive on some rubble, but thats it. If you still believe the IT, then you believe this trilogy ended with the Reapers still on Earth and the story unfinished.

If a 'real' ending was on the way, it would've been in the EC. If you believe the IT, you're saying you believe that Bioware spent months simply expanding the 'fake' endings for literally no reason. None of the new stuff adds to the so-called illusion, and actually severely detracts from it given that all the epilogue slides indicate that the endings in the game were real.

Can you look at the links in my sig, and maybe other IT sites before you go rambling on?

[masster blaster]

Why can't I download the EC on my Computer?

[v0rt3x22]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

You dont need to adapt IT. It still fits.

It fits, but its obviously not correct.

If the IT is true, there isn't even a shred of evidence that Shepard goes on to defeat the Reapers for real. There is a hint that he is still alive on some rubble, but thats it. If you still believe the IT, then you believe this trilogy ended with the Reapers still on Earth and the story unfinished.

If a 'real' ending was on the way, it would've been in the EC. If you believe the IT, you're saying you believe that Bioware spent months simply expanding the 'fake' endings for literally no reason. None of the new stuff adds to the so-called illusion, and actually severely detracts from it given that all the epilogue slides indicate that the endings in the game were real.

I told myself I'm done discussing IT for today - but I can't  - lol.

If the IT is true, there isn't even a shred of evidence that Shepard goes on to defeat the Reapers for real. There is a hint that he is still alive on some rubble, but thats it. If you still believe the IT, then you believe this trilogy ended with the Reapers still on Earth and the story unfinished. 

Incorrect.

IT is not a theory for a definate ending - but for an open ending.

The "defeat the reapers for real" - is implied in "IT" - to take place in future content.

[nightcobra]

lex0r11 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


You dont need to adapt IT. It still fits.


I found it especially odd that the breath scene was still at the end... even after they finished regrouping all the repairs... if taken literally that would mean shepard was resting either on earth or the citadel for a couple years...

You shouldn't see it chronological or in real time.
And the breath scene is the biggest cliffhanger, it has to be at the end. Just like Liara not putting up the plate but just holding it. Shepard is MIA.

taken literally: an unarmored shepard takes a point blank citadel-wide blast to the face and manages to survive long enough to be rescued by his/her love interest. color me doubtful.

Modifié par nightcobra8928, 26 juin 2012 - 04:55 .

[masster blaster]

Also the Stargazer does change to an Asari. So ya that's weird and the kid sound's like the star brat.

[monrapias]

I just checked two of the endings out on youtube.

I'm glad we got some more closure, still a bit of space magic though.

But we still get shepard taking a breether (if it really is him) (fine fine or her )

If there comes a mass effect 4, I think we might get the answer there.

[ean0611]

There was TONS changed in the EC.

They did not change the order the relays blew up

They didn't change the Carnifex / Predator swap during destroy. The sound AND the gun change are there.

The gun swap was found in code, and is intentional. The sound swap was also intentional. Both CANNOT be bugs. They were NOT changed with EC.

The only thing I don't get is the difference between reject and destroy. But that's another story.

[llbountyhunter]

Capeo wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Capeo wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

No EC is true, IT hinges on biware not changing the endings.

What hes saying is that the ending is left unclear, just like bioware said it would be.... but that maybe things would be clarified in a future game.

That's some serious mental gymnastics right there.  The endings aren't unclear.  They happened exactly as shown and nothing shown supports IT at all.

Mental gymnastics? im telling you what bioware said...

The EC FAQ calls this the "definitive endings" and that there will be nothing more after this.  When did they say anything about future games besides Casey saying anything further in ME universe would have to take place prior to the ME trilogy?  I see nothing unclear in these endings.  Horrible plotting, yes, but nothing unclear.

And bioware said they left it ambigious. It can be both.

As for another game, itll be nice, but its not necesaary, they could just choose to not answer and leave it like inception.... (was he dreaming?)

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 26 juin 2012 - 04:56 .

[L0NEWOLF25]

IT still fits, the catalyst is lying but now it's more obvious. Just listen to how he answers your questions, he either ignores them or is very bias about the three options.

[lex0r11]

nightcobra8928 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


You dont need to adapt IT. It still fits.


I found it especially odd that the breath scene was still at the end... even after they finished regrouping all the repairs... if taken literally that would mean shepard was resting either on earth or the citadel for a couple years...

You shouldn't see it chronological or in real time.
And the breath scene is the biggest cliffhanger, it has to be at the end. Just like Liara not putting up the plate but just holding it. Shepard is MIA.

taken literally: an unarmored shepard takes a point blank nuclear blast on the citadel and manages to survive long enough to be rescued by his/her love interest. color me doubtful.

Don't think I find this reasonable, but they show it still. Breath scene and Liara not putting up the plate. Why do you think that is?

[Big_Boss9]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

You dont need to adapt IT. It still fits.

It fits, but its obviously not correct.

If the IT is true, there isn't even a shred of evidence that Shepard goes on to defeat the Reapers for real. There is a hint that he is still alive on some rubble, but thats it. If you still believe the IT, then you believe this trilogy ended with the Reapers still on Earth and the story unfinished.

If a 'real' ending was on the way, it would've been in the EC. If you believe the IT, you're saying you believe that Bioware spent months simply expanding the 'fake' endings for literally no reason. None of the new stuff adds to the so-called illusion, and actually severely detracts from it given that all the epilogue slides indicate that the endings in the game were real.

I told myself I'm done discussing IT for today - but I can't  - lol.

If the IT is true, there isn't even a shred of evidence that Shepard goes on to defeat the Reapers for real. There is a hint that he is still alive on some rubble, but thats it. If you still believe the IT, then you believe this trilogy ended with the Reapers still on Earth and the story unfinished. 

Incorrect.

IT is not a theory for a definate ending - but for an open ending.

The "defeat the reapers for real" - is implied in "IT" - to take place in future content.

And Bioware has already said that EC is the definitive end of Shepard's story, so this sounds like nothing but wishful thinking.

[nullobject]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

If the IT is true, there isn't even a shred of evidence that Shepard goes on to defeat the Reapers for real. There is a hint that he is still alive on some rubble, but thats it. If you still believe the IT, then you believe this trilogy ended with the Reapers still on Earth and the story unfinished. 

Incorrect.

IT is not a theory for a definate ending - but for an open ending.

The "defeat the reapers for real" - is implied in "IT" - to take place in future content.

So just hit us with the explanation for why they spent all this time and effort refining a dream sequence - and refining bits of it that don't matter -  when they could have been working on that future content.

[llbountyhunter]

lex0r11 wrote...

nightcobra8928 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


You dont need to adapt IT. It still fits.


I found it especially odd that the breath scene was still at the end... even after they finished regrouping all the repairs... if taken literally that would mean shepard was resting either on earth or the citadel for a couple years...

You shouldn't see it chronological or in real time.
And the breath scene is the biggest cliffhanger, it has to be at the end. Just like Liara not putting up the plate but just holding it. Shepard is MIA.

taken literally: an unarmored shepard takes a point blank nuclear blast on the citadel and manages to survive long enough to be rescued by his/her love interest. color me doubtful.

Don't think I find this reasonable, but they show it still. Breath scene and Liara not putting up the plate. Why do you think that is?

I thought liara did put up theplate for destroy?

Nervermind....just rechecked...

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 26 juin 2012 - 04:59 .

[monrapias]

vics20 wrote...

well folks.. thats all she wrote.

"No more stories about the Shepard. Time to let him rest."--Paul Tassi, Forbes


The EC still has a lot of the stink of the original endings, like the forced arbitrary choices of control, synthesize, and destroy. While the story and universe of ME isn't as bleak now, the bad taste still lingers and its time to just let it all go.

Pity, this game could have been so much more.

"It's getting late my sweet, ok one more story"