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[Candidate 88766]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

No it doesn't sound like awful storytelling to me - and honestly I don't know what's going to happen.

You can't be serious.

We're talking about leaving the end of the Mass Effect trilogy resolved until a game not in the trilogy, and you seriously don't think this is bad?

Have I misunderstood you or something?

I mean, not finishing the story of the Mass Effect trilogy until game 4 sounds pretty awful whichever way you look at it.



Its like those guys that kept saying the rapture was coming. "No no, I promise, this time, this time, it'll be for real guys". 

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 26 juin 2012 - 05:12 .

[SubAstris]

So guys, I have a new bit of evidence for IT...oh wait

[smokingotter1]

I'm now leaning towards the literalism point of view. This is after ACAVYOS's video, Indoctrination Documentary Parts 1 and 2. Waking Nightmare and Major Coates theory. This is after posting on reddit my own takes on indoctrination (linking Arrival and ME3). IT is not debunked, but let's face it, sometimes writers bite off more than they can chew (Battlestar Gallatica, Lost, Matrix Universe) adding a ton of plot elements that never get resolved because the writer don't know how.

Is Shepard still asleep? (Teasing wink) I don't know, but "find out what happens to Shepard after buying ME4! or DLC" is asking a lot from the fanbase. Either IT is true or not, just commit Bioware.

In the end Bioware just choose to kept the endings and threw some red meat to ITers to pacify them, that's basically what happened and I'm not content with that and neither should you. The moment Shepard refused the choices should have been the moment for the big reveal, not a "stay tuned next week" (wink wink) moment.

[llbountyhunter]

nullobject wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...


No it wouldn't have been because EC was never actually planned from the beginning.
EC is only the result of mass fan disappointment of the endings.

Wouldn't the "real, true" endings help address the mass fan dissappointment of the endings?

What possible reason do they have to spend effort refining insignificant parts of a dream sequence (which plenty of fans still hate - check the forum), when they could be working on the much better "rea"l ending?

Weekends said EC was planned and not a response on twitter.

But jessicas always contradicting herself so....

[v0rt3x22]

nullobject wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...


No it wouldn't have been because EC was never actually planned from the beginning.
EC is only the result of mass fan disappointment of the endings.

Wouldn't the "real, true" endings help address the mass fan dissappointment of the endings?

What possible reason do they have to spend effort refining insignificant parts of a dream sequence (which plenty of fans still hate - check the forum), when they could be working on the much better "rea"l ending?

You've asked this before and I agree - if there is a "real" ending - and IT is true - I don't really see why they aren't confirming it sooner (rather than later). Because at this point a lot of damage has already been caused.

And if "IT" isn't true - there is no harm in them confirming that either.

So I'm with you on that - I don't know why they are siilent about it - even after all the drama - but my stance on the subject remains:

IT has not been debunked (nor confirmed).

[byne]

lex0r11 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I thought liara did put up theplate for destroy?

No.

She looks at it for awhile and then looks up at the wall again without putting it there.
THen the breath scene.

But lexO101 let's be honest not once did they mention Shepard being alive in the epilogue so there's one that support's IT and Also if you look at Control andSynthesis it's jsut to good to be true and everyone in Synthesis sounds greatfull to work with the Reapers which were just killing all of our loveones and familys like 2 seconds ago and now want to be our friend really.

Also in Control Shepard is starting to think like a Reaper and yes i know he, or she is but at  the last few seconds of the epilogue I know Shepard like the Bioware and ws acting like a Dictator.

Of course they don't say if Shepard is alive or not. That wouldn't be a cliffhanger then.

The breath scene would be useless. And not putting it up mean missing in action and not dead. They want to look for Shepard.

Shepards never die. They're just Missing in Action.

[nullobject]

llbountyhunter wrote...

nullobject wrote...

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO ANGER THE LITERALISTS?????

You think the endings were so well-loved by the fans that they decided to keep them, when they had originally planned to reveal that they were "just a dream"?

Edited my post. But  yeah,alot of people wanted the endings changed but hated IT.

So, you can see how the EC is going down on the forums, you seriously think that the "real, true" ending that revealed that it was all a dream would have been received worse?

Which means, that while they were making lots of talk about "artistic integrity", Bioware actually completely changed their plans, and decided to lock in the details of an ending that almost everyone hated, that they originally wrote as a dream sequence.

You seriously think this?

[v0rt3x22]

Candidate 88766 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

No it doesn't sound like awful storytelling to me - and honestly I don't know what's going to happen.

You can't be serious.

We're talking about leaving the end of the Mass Effect trilogy resolved until a game not in the trilogy, and you seriously don't think this is bad?

Have I misunderstood you or something?

I mean, not finishing the story of the Mass Effect trilogy until game 4 sounds pretty awful whichever way you look at it.



Its like those guys that kept saying the rapture was coming. "No no, I promise, this time, this time, it'll be for real guys". 

Haha - I love your example at the bottom - but yes - this is basically my thought on it - whichever way you want to take it.

[masster blaster]

Hay but it was good to see Zaeed siting in a chair in the Destroy endings.

[v0rt3x22]

llbountyhunter wrote...

nullobject wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...


No it wouldn't have been because EC was never actually planned from the beginning.
EC is only the result of mass fan disappointment of the endings.

Wouldn't the "real, true" endings help address the mass fan dissappointment of the endings?

What possible reason do they have to spend effort refining insignificant parts of a dream sequence (which plenty of fans still hate - check the forum), when they could be working on the much better "rea"l ending?

Weekends said EC was planned and not a response on twitter.

But jessicas always contradicting herself so....

EC was not planned up until the point where people finished EC and surprised BioWare with negative feedback.

[MegaSovereign]

For those saying ME4 will reveal that it was all an indoctrination attempt, here is some news flash:

ME3 is the end of Shepard's story, this has been confirmed by Bioware months before the game even came out. If they did make an ME4, it would not be about Shepard resisting indoctrination and ending the Reaper threat.

[nullobject]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

nullobject wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...


No it wouldn't have been because EC was never actually planned from the beginning.
EC is only the result of mass fan disappointment of the endings.

Wouldn't the "real, true" endings help address the mass fan dissappointment of the endings?

What possible reason do they have to spend effort refining insignificant parts of a dream sequence (which plenty of fans still hate - check the forum), when they could be working on the much better "rea"l ending?

You've asked this before and I agree - if there is a "real" ending - and IT is true - I don't really see why they aren't confirming it sooner (rather than later). Because at this point a lot of damage has already been caused.

And if "IT" isn't true - there is no harm in them confirming that either.

So I'm with you on that - I don't know why they are siilent about it - even after all the drama - but my stance on the subject remains:

IT has not been debunked (nor confirmed).

How's this for an explanation as to why they are being silent:

IT is not, and never was, true. But Bioware won't say so out loud because they don't want to hurt your feelings. Some fans put lots of effort into IT, and they'd like to keep these people as fans.

That's what you call a parsimonious explanation.

[SubAstris]

Can't wait for the new EC that is going to be prove that IT is real once and for all. Did you retards really think that EC was actually real? Give it until September, there will be a new, real EC that shows IT to be correct

[Capeo]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I'm exhausted talking about IT. been doing all day now.

To sum it up: it's not debunked.

IT is very, very debunked.  You got your refusal ending and it results in the Reapers winning.  That's as close to IT as you're ever going to get.  

[Candidate 88766]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

No it doesn't sound like awful storytelling to me - and honestly I don't know what's going to happen.

You can't be serious.

We're talking about leaving the end of the Mass Effect trilogy resolved until a game not in the trilogy, and you seriously don't think this is bad?

Have I misunderstood you or something?

I mean, not finishing the story of the Mass Effect trilogy until game 4 sounds pretty awful whichever way you look at it.



Its like those guys that kept saying the rapture was coming. "No no, I promise, this time, this time, it'll be for real guys". 

Haha - I love your example at the bottom - but yes - this is basically my thought on it - whichever way you want to take it.

Look, if you want to believe that the iT is true, thats fine. They haven't denied it, and have said that they won't.

I really don't get how you can still believe that a 'real' ending is on the way though. If they had made one, it would've been in the EC. The sole purpose of the EC was to placate the fanbase, so if they had an ace up their sleeves - i.e. the IT - there is literally no reason whatsoever to not have confirmed it in the EC. 

It just feels like you're going to be waiting for a 'real ending' that just isn't coming.

Modifié par Candidate 88766, 26 juin 2012 - 05:17 .

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

I thought liara did put up theplate for destroy?

No.

She looks at it for awhile and then looks up at the wall again without putting it there.
THen the breath scene.

But lexO101 let's be honest not once did they mention Shepard being alive in the epilogue so there's one that support's IT and Also if you look at Control andSynthesis it's jsut to good to be true and everyone in Synthesis sounds greatfull to work with the Reapers which were just killing all of our loveones and familys like 2 seconds ago and now want to be our friend really.

Also in Control Shepard is starting to think like a Reaper and yes i know he, or she is but at  the last few seconds of the epilogue I know Shepard like the Bioware and ws acting like a Dictator.

Of course they don't say if Shepard is alive or not. That wouldn't be a cliffhanger then.

The breath scene would be useless. And not putting it up mean missing in action and not dead. They want to look for Shepard.

Shepards never die. They're just Missing in Action.

Cryo Chambers hidden trailer for ME4

Shepard wakes up from his, or her slumber.

General Blardver:Commander Shepard the galaxy is indanger again and it needs your help.

Shepard opens his, or her eyes

Then it start's all over again and this time Shepard stay alive for good.

[llbountyhunter]

nullobject wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

nullobject wrote...

THEY DIDN'T WANT TO ANGER THE LITERALISTS?????

You think the endings were so well-loved by the fans that they decided to keep them, when they had originally planned to reveal that they were "just a dream"?

Edited my post. But  yeah,alot of people wanted the endings changed but hated IT.

So, you can see how the EC is going down on the forums, you seriously think that the "real, true" ending that revealed that it was all a dream would have been received worse?

Which means, that while they were making lots of talk about "artistic integrity", Bioware actually completely changed their plans, and decided to lock in the details of an ending that almost everyone hated, that they originally wrote as a dream sequence.

You seriously think this?

Have you seen EC? alot stuff has already changed. Fewer changes wouldve been necessaery if they went with IT...

But they either tryed to please everyone...


Or most likely they planned to leave it unclear to make sure this argument doesnt exsist... lol

[v0rt3x22]

nullobject wrote...

IT is not, and never was, true. 

That's as much as a theory as IT is.

[MegaSovereign]

SubAstris wrote...

Can't wait for the new EC that is going to be prove that IT is real once and for all. Did you retards really think that EC was actually real? Give it until September, there will be a new, real EC that shows IT to be correct

I geniunely loled.

[Big_Boss9]

SubAstris wrote...

Can't wait for the new EC that is going to be prove that IT is real once and for all. Did you retards really think that EC was actually real? Give it until September, there will be a new, real EC that shows IT to be correct

LOL

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 26 juin 2012 - 05:19 .

[Candidate 88766]

MegaSovereign wrote...

For those saying ME4 will reveal that it was all an indoctrination attempt, here is some news flash:

ME3 is the end of Shepard's story, this has been confirmed by Bioware months before the game even came out. If they did make an ME4, it would not be about Shepard resisting indoctrination and ending the Reaper threat.

There's not even really a story for ME4.

With the Reapers gone, they'd have to introduce something even more powerful than galaxy-harvesting colossal space-Cthulus.

Given how the trilogy ends, the chance of there being a sequel at all seems slim, let alone one that can take place soon enough to resolve the IT.

[llbountyhunter]

MegaSovereign wrote...

For those saying ME4 will reveal that it was all an indoctrination attempt, here is some news flash:

ME3 is the end of Shepard's story, this has been confirmed by Bioware months before the game even came out. If they did make an ME4, it would not be about Shepard resisting indoctrination and ending the Reaper threat.

Fortunately thats not nessecary...

[masster blaster]

MegaSovereign wrote...

For those saying ME4 will reveal that it was all an indoctrination attempt, here is some news flash:

ME3 is the end of Shepard's story, this has been confirmed by Bioware months before the game even came out. If they did make an ME4, it would not be about Shepard resisting indoctrination and ending the Reaper threat.

well they did say no additonal change to the endings will be made but look the Normandy's Engings di not blow up and look the mass Relays did not blow up completley but Parshil Ya they did say they were't going to chage the ending.

Modifié par masster blaster, 26 juin 2012 - 05:21 .

[MegaSovereign]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

nullobject wrote...

IT is not, and never was, true. 

That's as much as a theory as IT is.

Do you seriously still believe IT was intended and that Bioware will expand upon it? Or are you just playing the devil's advocate?<_<

[IronSabbath88]

Ah well. Life goes on. Time to go to Temeria. I hear it's nice this time of year... you know.. besides the whole kings getting murdered thing..