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[Capeo]

Lokanaiya wrote...

@Subastris
Since IT is so obviously wrong, perhaps you could explain the infrasound near Major Coates and in the dreams, how Starbrat has Harbinger's voice in the Refusal ending, and how Shepard survives Harbinger's beam, which could demolish MAKOs in one hit? Please, enlighten us poor, delusional folk.

Infrasound?  INFRASOUND!?!  You're talking about a game where even the beginning and middle blow up the whole point of the first game, relegates the second to filler, is full of bad writing and you think BW left clues like that?  Wow, and you're calling other people delusional?  And why does Starbrat have Harby's voice?  Cause they needed a voice actor.  How did Shep survive the beam?  The same way he survives the Citadel explosion.  He's the friggin' hero and survives a million stupid things he shouldn't.  You people are looking for clues in a soft science space opera that is a giant pile of movie hero tropes (let's have Shep jump through in air slo-mo one more time) as though they really gave any of this that much thought.  Honestly, you ITers are being ridiculous.

[monrapias]

7:52

quarien with no mask? and it doesn't look like the same as tali.

[v0rt3x22]

Has anyone else noticed the "grasp for air" sound effect and the ambient noise in the destroy ending?
those are new aren't they?

[fade2black.1337]

Anyway i think that Bioware shouldn't have let the IT grow so much.
It was a big pr mistake in my opinion: they let false expectations grow to insane levels.

They should have pointed out from the start that there wasn't gonna be no Indoctrination reveal...
What they did by not toning down immediately the IT in this very thread is the same that if they didn't tone down the rumors that there was going to be a whole new rewritten from scratch ending.

They have been wise in clarifying that, and extremely silly by not doing the same with IT from the very beginning.

If the EC was the original vanilla ending, i wouldn't have complained too much.
But they gave me -they gave us- 3+ months to speculate and for our expectation to go through the roof, just to let everybody down with an ending that would have been satisfactory if they wouldn't let us go crazy over the IT.

What's amazing is how all the people involved in the IT pulled out ideas that are, in fact, better fitting in the whole contest of the game than the original and the extended -and final- endings.

Modifié par fade2black.1337, 26 juin 2012 - 06:07 .

[KarlPilks]

I honestly think the indoctrination 'theory' was exactly what happened with the original ending. I was confused why people were so against it and how others wouldn't accept it. While I didn't like the ending it did make the most sense based on everything I was shown, especially with the breath scene being the 'best ending' based on war assets.

After seeing the new EC ending I really think they simply tried to patch up the indoctrination angle and tried their best to make what we were shown the actual ending. I think they bended to the overload of negative backlash and this is complete damage control. I think if there wasn't such a backlash we'd have had another piece of DLC that would have not only confirmed the IT but expanded on what happens after Shep lives.

One quick thing I've noticed they've changed from first viewing of the EC is that the Normandy no longer is smacked up by that energy blast from the Destroy ending. They've reworked the scene to just show the explosion almost on them, but they don't get hit by it. I guess this is to have us assume they landed on that planet on purpose, for repairs? Also, I find the breath scene even more out of place now after showing the funeral service by the crew on that planet. Are they suggesting Shep survived the massive explosion on the Citadel and is still on it, in the rubble?

Oh well, if they've decided to keep this as canon than at least it's more fleshed out. Shame though, I think the IT made far more sense based on everything in the game and what we saw at the end.

Modifié par KarlPilks, 26 juin 2012 - 06:08 .

[SubAstris]

Lokanaiya wrote...

@Subastris
Since IT is so obviously wrong, perhaps you could explain the infrasound near Major Coates and in the dreams, how Starbrat has Harbinger's voice in the Refusal ending, and how Shepard survives Harbinger's beam, which could demolish MAKOs in one hit? Please, enlighten us poor, delusional folk.

1) That has barely been established, to my knowledge, no clear link has been seen between Coates and infrasound. But if in fact there was, I would argue that this goes IT because Coats is so clearly not indoctrinated, in fact he is willing you to get to the beam and helps you much in your endeavours. But anyway, infrasound is found in many other game sounds (even ones that are seemingly innocuous) where indoctrination is clearly not used. It is not an unusual effect that some have made it out to be.

2) A simple game-mechanic. In the same way as the Cains can take down destroyers (if that really were the case, the Alliance should just be fitted out them everywhere). It happens not to kill him because BW need him to reach the Citadel.

[SubAstris]

Lokanaiya wrote...

Again:
Trolls, if you want to talk about how IT has been "debunked", I think there's a thread out there that's already discussing that. But this thread is for people who support IT, and since you obviously don't and aren't going to talk reasonably about it, please leave.

It is for discussion of IT, not an only IT group

[v0rt3x22]

Btw - I just watched the "Refusal" ending as well - which also holds merit to IT in my opinion. Liara says that the crucible didn't work - which is part of a belief that the crucible was a hoax to begin with.

[Capeo]

KarlPilks wrote...

I honestly think the indoctrination 'theory' was exactly what happened with the original ending. I was confused why people were so against it and how others wouldn't accept it. While I didn't like the ending it did make the most sense based on everything I was shown, especially with the breath scene being the 'best ending' based on war assets.

After seeing the new EC ending I really think they simply tried to patch up the indoctrination angle and tried their best to make what we were shown the actual ending. I think they bended to the overload of negative backlash and this is complete damage control. I really think if there wasn't such a backlash we'd have had another piece of DLC that would have not only confirmed the IT but expanded on what happens after Shep lives.

One quick thing I've noticed they've changed from first viewing of the EC is that the Normandy no longer is smacked up by that energy blast from the Destroy ending. They've reworked the scene to just show the explosion almost on them, but they don't get hit by it. I guess this is to have us assume they landed on that planet on purpose, for repairs? Also, I find the breath scene even more out of place now after showing the funeral service by the crew on that planet. Are they suggesting Shep survived the massive explosion on the Citadel and is still on it, in the rubble?

Oh well, if they've decided to keep this as canon than at least it's more fleshed out. Shame though, I think the IT made far more sense based on everything in the game and what we saw at the end.

During the funeral service prior to breath scene your LI decides NOT to put the plaque and goes out to find you.  That's the context.  Maybe they don't show that if you didn't have an LI but they clearly clearly connect you still being alive in the Citadel rubble and the scene where your LI decides you're not dead.  So the breath scene is no longer out of context.

[v0rt3x22]

hahahahaha I feel like I'm the only one left on the board who believes in IT *sadface*

I WILL HOLD THE LINE!

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 26 juin 2012 - 06:10 .

[Arashi08]

I haven't seen the EC yet, not sure I really want to at this point, as it sounds like all BioWare did was add...more ambiguity. there still isn't enough evidence to debunk Shepard's indoctrination yet we can't prove it either. so in as way we're basically back to where we started back in March; we're all speculating and/or arguing about something that is (apparently) not going to change ao that BioWare could please everyone, but in reality probably pissed everyone off again, they're just too busy fighting each other to realize it.


Sooo...what was the point of EC again?

[SolidisusSnake1]

I came in this thread just to gloat over the fact that delusional IT believers were wrong all along, but really I just feel sad. Even though I never believed in the theory it was a nice way out for BW but of course they couldnt admit that their nonsensical ending was wrong.

[Tirian Thorn]

Capeo wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

@Subastris
Since IT is so obviously wrong, perhaps you could explain the infrasound near Major Coates and in the dreams, how Starbrat has Harbinger's voice in the Refusal ending, and how Shepard survives Harbinger's beam, which could demolish MAKOs in one hit? Please, enlighten us poor, delusional folk.

Infrasound?  INFRASOUND!?!  You're talking about a game where even the beginning and middle blow up the whole point of the first game, relegates the second to filler, is full of bad writing and you think BW left clues like that?  Wow, and you're calling other people delusional?  And why does Starbrat have Harby's voice?  Cause they needed a voice actor.  How did Shep survive the beam?  The same way he survives the Citadel explosion.  He's the friggin' hero and survives a million stupid things he shouldn't.  You people are looking for clues in a soft science space opera that is a giant pile of movie hero tropes (let's have Shep jump through in air slo-mo one more time) as though they really gave any of this that much thought.  Honestly, you ITers are being ridiculous.

So Cap, what you’re sayiing is that there is ABSOLUTELY no way that IT could be true? None at all, zero percent? 
I believe that there is still a possibility (small – perhaps very small) that future DLC will introduce a Firebase Earth and ultimately a reveal that Shepard was resisting indoctrination and that that was Bioware’s plan all along. EC was just an attempt to keep the “surprise” a secret a little longer. 

Now, you do not have to agree with me. But who are you to tell me that my thoughts on the matter are invalid? I can agree to disagree with you or anyone else. But that doesn’t make me crazy. That doesn’t make me part of some cult. I’ve looked at mountains of evidence which is circumstantial and I came to a conclusion different than yours.   

Oh no! We’re different… When did different ideas, beliefs, etc become so offensive to other people? And people on both sides are guilty – but frankly, I see it more with the anti-IT’ers. Many of you are determined to force the IT folks into believing what you do. That’s not right at all. We don’t have to believe and you don’t have to change what you believe. But we have every right to continue to discuss this and consider the possibility that IT is still what was planned from the beginning. 

And if not – well, it’s great fanfiction. Let us have our fun will you? Or is the idea of other people having fun offensive?

Modifié par Tirian Thorn, 26 juin 2012 - 06:15 .

[Lokanaiya]

1. It's been proven to be there. No bugs, no mistakes. It's in there.

2. They needed an entirely new voice actor for just three words: "So be it?" And then they decided to synthesize it, what, just for kicks? Wow. That totally makes sense.

3. And how did he survive the Citadel explosion, pray tell? Being able to jump a long ways with gunfire behind you is one thing, surviving a beam that tears through ships effortlessly is quite another.

[v0rt3x22]

Lokanaiya wrote...

1. It's been proven to be there. No bugs, no mistakes. It's in there.

 

Sorry what are you refering to here?

[Tirian Thorn]

SolidisusSnake1 wrote...

I came in this thread just to gloat over the fact that delusional IT believers were wrong all along, but really I just feel sad. Even though I never believed in the theory it was a nice way out for BW but of course they couldnt admit that their nonsensical ending was wrong.

If IT were false, I would prefer that BW just come out and say it. 

The endings and now the EC endings didn't really change anything for me as far as my belief in IT. 

I think it's less likely now that IT is true and it might just be fanfiction, but I'm still ok with that.  I still enjoy the game either way and I had a lot of fun.  That's all that really matters when I play games. 

[Maecen]

I'm going to post this again since I didn't get a reply. Sorry if I seem pushy, just want to share.

"I don't know if this has been discussed yet. But, WTH was that twitch Shepard did when Anderson radioed him after he flew out of the beam at the Citadel? There was a weird noise behind it too. I just finished playing and I can't get that out of my head."

[v0rt3x22]

Maecen wrote...

I'm going to post this again since I didn't get a reply. Sorry if I seem pushy, just want to share.

"I don't know if this has been discussed yet. But, WTH was that twitch Shepard did when Anderson radioed him after he flew out of the beam at the Citadel? There was a weird noise behind it too. I just finished playing and I can't get that out of my head."

Is there a video of that?

[Unschuld]

Maecen wrote...

I'm going to post this again since I didn't get a reply. Sorry if I seem pushy, just want to share.

"I don't know if this has been discussed yet. But, WTH was that twitch Shepard did when Anderson radioed him after he flew out of the beam at the Citadel? There was a weird noise behind it too. I just finished playing and I can't get that out of my head."

HA! I was wondering that too. Maybe an implanted defib/pacemaker?

Modifié par Unschuld, 26 juin 2012 - 06:20 .

[Arashi08]

Tirian Thorn wrote...

Capeo wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

@Subastris
Since IT is so obviously wrong, perhaps you could explain the infrasound near Major Coates and in the dreams, how Starbrat has Harbinger's voice in the Refusal ending, and how Shepard survives Harbinger's beam, which could demolish MAKOs in one hit? Please, enlighten us poor, delusional folk.

Infrasound?  INFRASOUND!?!  You're talking about a game where even the beginning and middle blow up the whole point of the first game, relegates the second to filler, is full of bad writing and you think BW left clues like that?  Wow, and you're calling other people delusional?  And why does Starbrat have Harby's voice?  Cause they needed a voice actor.  How did Shep survive the beam?  The same way he survives the Citadel explosion.  He's the friggin' hero and survives a million stupid things he shouldn't.  You people are looking for clues in a soft science space opera that is a giant pile of movie hero tropes (let's have Shep jump through in air slo-mo one more time) as though they really gave any of this that much thought.  Honestly, you ITers are being ridiculous.

So Cap, what you’re sayiing is that there is ABSOLUTELY no way that IT could be true? None at all, zero percent? 
I believe that there is still a possibility (small – perhaps very small) that future DLC will introduce a Firebase Earth and ultimately a reveal that Shepard was resisting indoctrination and that that was Bioware’s plan all along. EC was just an attempt to keep the “surprise” a secret a little longer. 

Now, you do not have to agree with me. But who are you to tell me that my thoughts on the matter are invalid? I can agree to disagree with you or anyone else. But that doesn’t make me crazy. That doesn’t make me part of some cult. I’ve looked at mountains of evidence which is circumstantial and I came to a conclusion different than yours.   

Oh no! We’re different… When did different ideas, beliefs, etc become so offensive to other people? And people on both sides are guilty – but frankly, I see it more with the anti-IT’ers. Many of you are determined to force the IT folks into believing what you do. That’s not right at all. We don’t have to believe and you don’t have to change what you believe. But we have every right to continue to discuss this and consider the possibility that IT is still what was planned from the beginning. 

And if not – well, it’s great fanfiction. Let us have our fun will you? Or is the idea of other people having fun offensive?

Well said

[Lokanaiya]

@V0rt3x The infrasound near Coates and in the dreams.

@Tirian Thorn I agree. I just want a straight answer one way or the other.

[Senalda]

EC doesn't make the previous hallucination and/or indoctrination theories any less true or false. They worked for the ending we had before EC, now with new info we have much less room for doubt and we have new, equally worthwhile endings (for the record: the original ending was most certainly a hallucination, if you ask me).

In other words: that was then, this is now.

Modifié par Senalda, 26 juin 2012 - 06:22 .

[Tirian Thorn]

SubAstris wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Again:
Trolls, if you want to talk about how IT has been "debunked", I think there's a thread out there that's already discussing that. But this thread is for people who support IT, and since you obviously don't and aren't going to talk reasonably about it, please leave.

It is for discussion of IT, not an only IT group

You're right Sub - this thread is for discussion. 

But the one-off "IT IS WRONG" posts are unnecessary.  They don't add anything at all and take away from actual, good discussions and conversations. 

I'm happy to discuss any topic.  But you really can't engage in a discussion if the other parties' only answers are you're wrong,  no,  idiot, cult  etc.   And that's on both sides.  For or against IT. 

[SubAstris]

Lokanaiya wrote...

1. It's been proven to be there. No bugs, no mistakes. It's in there.

2. They needed an entirely new voice actor for just three words: "So be it?" And then they decided to synthesize it, what, just for kicks? Wow. That totally makes sense.

3. And how did he survive the Citadel explosion, pray tell? Being able to jump a long ways with gunfire behind you is one thing, surviving a beam that tears through ships effortlessly is quite another.

1) And I have given you reasons why even if it is there it doesn't really provide good evidence for IT. But pray, show a CLEAR connection between infrasound and Coates' presence, if you will?

2) That doesn't tell us anything.

3) Again, it is a very common trope in movies where the hero survives something he shouldn't. How many action films end with the hero coming out unscathed from a seemingly fatal explosion?

[v0rt3x22]

Are there still people in here who believe in IT? I feel lonely. Need a hug.