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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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 Still haven't played it.  Am looking forward to all that time spent in multiplayer paying off.  100% readiness and total EMS of over 10,000.  There's no way I could lose! :o








Honestly, I think I'm going to choose the Refuse option.  

Repeatedly.

Along the way, I'll look for weird stuff.

They ought to have capped the Refuse ending with a custscene of a massive Yahg fleet bristling with heavy weaponry meeting the Reapers head on after summoning them from darkspace through the Citadel relay, a Yahg captain standing on the command deck of the flagship holding one of Liara's time capsules.  Cut to scenes of massed Yahg infantry with Cains all over the Citadel and countles Yahg dreadnoughts loosing volleys of improved thanix cannons and quantum singularity javelin missiles.  And then have the Stargazer relate that this time, the Reapers got their clocks cleaned.  And as the last Reaper died, the Yahg honored the memory of the Shepard.... as represented by a hacked version of the Shepard VI with Conrad Verner's face.

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alberto4395 wrote...

They just contradicted themselves. These endings removed all possibility of speculation and killed their statement about how they wanted us to do so. It was a cover and I am very disappointed.

I will really miss this theory. Still better than the "real ending".


You wanted more speculation?

The EC was suppose to provide clarity and closure. It did that. I wouldn't have wanted a vague ending....Hell that's part of why the original endings were so hated.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Novate wrote...

Just like every single IT believers can still keep thinking that IT theory is still true when EC straight out ended the series with their official Epilogue.
I can still believe that the whole ME 1 ~ 3 are just a story made up by Conrad Verner whom is writing a book after meeting with the first Shepard.


And you can belive shepars is immune to indoctrination, survived a explosion stronger than the wake of a supernovae, that reapers are actually the nice guys, that harbinger just lost interest in shepard, shepard was overlooked during the repairs and takes a breath several years after the defeat of the reapers.

EC: taken literaly


Nice couple of strawmen...

1) No one is saying that
2) Common movie trope to have main villain "survive" a seemingly fatal explosion (I use the term "survive" loosely since we don't know Shepard's state at the end)
3) Rubbish
4) Rubbish again
5) What?



I know, rubbish, right? but that what EC says....


I was referring to your intellectually lazy argument

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

Michael Gamble teases on twitter "Would now be a good time to talk about how we're doing more DLC in the future? :P"


Pre-ending DLC.

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If you choose to reject the Catalyst's choices, his voice changes from a child into a Reaper, and the subtitles confirm it.

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PC version is out by now, right? Anyone care to go through the game files and see where the 1.9 gb came from, or if that was really it?

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

Michael Gamble teases on twitter "Would now be a good time to talk about how we're doing more DLC in the future? :P"


well the "new" stargazer seen the actress reading the line says it real slow like...ok one...more...story...as in more DLC is coming.
im seriously onboard with the idea that this is a 4th wall message to the players direct like....especially since they took the time to stick one in the end of reject, but nothing else...i mean common.

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llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Does any ITer truly believe there will be another DLC which shows conclusively that IT is correct?


Does anybody think there will be a sequal to incepton??

I dont. Its meant to be that way. 


5th time i answer this..... how many more before literalists get it? 


The ending of Inception is different. If IT proved to be true, it would alter the plot and focus of ME significantly, having far more reach than if the end of the movie is fake or not. It doesn't alter the themes for example


No it wouldnt... ive already explained this....


If you don't think IT would fundamentally change one's perception of the whole ME series,  I don't think you understand IT


IT enforces the entire ME series... taken literally its a slap in the face of the ME lore.


Good that you are accepting my point, IT and literal put a completely different spin on the series.

Modifié par SubAstris, 26 juin 2012 - 07:02 .


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senshi420 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Michael Gamble teases on twitter "Would now be a good time to talk about how we're doing more DLC in the future? :P"


well the "new" stargazer seen the actress reading the line says it real slow like...ok one...more...story...as in more DLC is coming.
im seriously onboard with the idea that this is a 4th wall message to the players direct like....especially since they took the time to stick one in the end of reject, but nothing else...i mean common.


Well this is one of those things which still keep my IT hope alive.

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magnetite wrote...

If you choose to reject the Catalyst's choices, his voice changes from a child into a Reaper, and the subtitles confirm it.



Oh thats obviously a glitch....

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senshi420 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Michael Gamble teases on twitter "Would now be a good time to talk about how we're doing more DLC in the future? :P"


well the "new" stargazer seen the actress reading the line says it real slow like...ok one...more...story...as in more DLC is coming.
im seriously onboard with the idea that this is a 4th wall message to the players direct like....especially since they took the time to stick one in the end of reject, but nothing else...i mean common.

Wait, you really think there's still a 'real ending' DLC on the way?

And you really think that Bioware would end this trilogy by breaking the fourth wall?

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magnetite wrote...

If you choose to reject the Catalyst's choices, his voice changes from a child into a Reaper, and the subtitles confirm it.


I knew about the voice change - but not the subtitles - what do they change into?

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magnetite wrote...

If you choose to reject the Catalyst's choices, his voice changes from a child into a Reaper, and the subtitles confirm it.


The point being, so what?

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SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Does any ITer truly believe there will be another DLC which shows conclusively that IT is correct?


Does anybody think there will be a sequal to incepton??

I dont. Its meant to be that way. 


5th time i answer this..... how many more before literalists get it? 


The ending of Inception is different. If IT proved to be true, it would alter the plot and focus of ME significantly, having far more reach than if the end of the movie is fake or not. It doesn't alter the themes for example


No it wouldnt... ive already explained this....


If you don't think IT would fundamentally change one's perception of the whole ME series,  I don't think you understand IT


IT enforces the entire ME series... taken literally its a slap in the face of the ME lore.


Good that you are accepting my point, IT and literal put a completely spin on the series.


So your saying IT uses existing lore, while the literal ending goes against it?

Cause that what IT does... 

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Candidate 88766 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Michael Gamble teases on twitter "Would now be a good time to talk about how we're doing more DLC in the future? :P"


well the "new" stargazer seen the actress reading the line says it real slow like...ok one...more...story...as in more DLC is coming.
im seriously onboard with the idea that this is a 4th wall message to the players direct like....especially since they took the time to stick one in the end of reject, but nothing else...i mean common.

Wait, you really think there's still a 'real ending' DLC on the way?

And you really think that Bioware would end this trilogy by breaking the fourth wall?


nope, just that more DLC is comming, I have no idea what it'll entail. 
next time, try not to put words in my mouth tyvm.

Modifié par senshi420, 26 juin 2012 - 07:02 .


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v0rt3x22 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

If you choose to reject the Catalyst's choices, his voice changes from a child into a Reaper, and the subtitles confirm it.


I knew about the voice change - but not the subtitles - what do they change into?


Catalyst was Harbinger it seems.

Subtitles go:

Child: So be it. [using a Reaper's voice]

Bah, too many variables.

Modifié par magnetite, 26 juin 2012 - 07:03 .


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senshi420 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Michael Gamble teases on twitter "Would now be a good time to talk about how we're doing more DLC in the future? :P"


well the "new" stargazer seen the actress reading the line says it real slow like...ok one...more...story...as in more DLC is coming.
im seriously onboard with the idea that this is a 4th wall message to the players direct like....especially since they took the time to stick one in the end of reject, but nothing else...i mean common.

Wait, you really think there's still a 'real ending' DLC on the way?

And you really think that Bioware would end this trilogy by breaking the fourth wall?


nope, just that more DLC is comming, I have no idea what it'll entail. 
next time, try not to put words in my mouth tyvm.


You said IT - I heard you :lol:

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magnetite wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

If you choose to reject the Catalyst's choices, his voice changes from a child into a Reaper, and the subtitles confirm it.


I knew about the voice change - but not the subtitles - what do they change into?


Catalyst was Harbinger it seems.

Subtitles go:

Child: So be it. [using a Reaper's voice]


hahaha awesome =) yup well - I dunno about the rest of you - but my believe in IT is still strong.

Why was it changed from "InDoc" to "IT"? :lol:

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

Candidate 88766 wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Michael Gamble teases on twitter "Would now be a good time to talk about how we're doing more DLC in the future? :P"


well the "new" stargazer seen the actress reading the line says it real slow like...ok one...more...story...as in more DLC is coming.
im seriously onboard with the idea that this is a 4th wall message to the players direct like....especially since they took the time to stick one in the end of reject, but nothing else...i mean common.

Wait, you really think there's still a 'real ending' DLC on the way?

And you really think that Bioware would end this trilogy by breaking the fourth wall?


nope, just that more DLC is comming, I have no idea what it'll entail. 
next time, try not to put words in my mouth tyvm.


You said IT - I heard you :lol:


your sir. get a cookie

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Art integrity is hallucination and not the ending XD. Sadly , because i had fun chat with u guys and read your theory. It was great and fun. U all contribute to create something Bioware didnt achieve on the final.

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magnetite wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

magnetite wrote...

If you choose to reject the Catalyst's choices, his voice changes from a child into a Reaper, and the subtitles confirm it.


I knew about the voice change - but not the subtitles - what do they change into?


Catalyst was Harbinger it seems.

Subtitles go:

Child: So be it. [using a Reaper's voice]

Bah, too many variables.


I didnt know harbinger was a good guy..... all these cycles just trying to help out organics... what a hero harbinger is.


/sarcasm 

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 26 juin 2012 - 07:05 .


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llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Does any ITer truly believe there will be another DLC which shows conclusively that IT is correct?


Does anybody think there will be a sequal to incepton??

I dont. Its meant to be that way. 


5th time i answer this..... how many more before literalists get it? 


The ending of Inception is different. If IT proved to be true, it would alter the plot and focus of ME significantly, having far more reach than if the end of the movie is fake or not. It doesn't alter the themes for example


No it wouldnt... ive already explained this....


If you don't think IT would fundamentally change one's perception of the whole ME series,  I don't think you understand IT


IT enforces the entire ME series... taken literally its a slap in the face of the ME lore.


Good that you are accepting my point, IT and literal put a completely spin on the series.


So your saying IT uses existing lore, while the literal ending goes against it?

Cause that what IT does... 


No, your original assertion was that IT and face-value interpretations are similar in their focuses, yet you accept that they are different at the end. Your words not mine. As regards to this point, whether the lore is closer to IT or face value is not the point

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senshi420 wrote...

your sir. get a cookie


I'm an IT believer. We already have plenty of cookies.
It's how I try to persuade non believers :o

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 26 juin 2012 - 07:06 .


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SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Does any ITer truly believe there will be another DLC which shows conclusively that IT is correct?


Does anybody think there will be a sequal to incepton??

I dont. Its meant to be that way. 


5th time i answer this..... how many more before literalists get it? 


The ending of Inception is different. If IT proved to be true, it would alter the plot and focus of ME significantly, having far more reach than if the end of the movie is fake or not. It doesn't alter the themes for example


No it wouldnt... ive already explained this....


If you don't think IT would fundamentally change one's perception of the whole ME series,  I don't think you understand IT


IT enforces the entire ME series... taken literally its a slap in the face of the ME lore.


Good that you are accepting my point, IT and literal put a completely spin on the series.


So your saying IT uses existing lore, while the literal ending goes against it?

Cause that what IT does... 


No, your original assertion was that IT and face-value interpretations are similar in their focuses, yet you accept that they are different at the end. Your words not mine. As regards to this point, whether the lore is closer to IT or face value is not the point


I dont think you understood my words.... did anyone else get that from what I said?

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llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Does any ITer truly believe there will be another DLC which shows conclusively that IT is correct?


Does anybody think there will be a sequal to incepton??

I dont. Its meant to be that way. 


5th time i answer this..... how many more before literalists get it? 


The ending of Inception is different. If IT proved to be true, it would alter the plot and focus of ME significantly, having far more reach than if the end of the movie is fake or not. It doesn't alter the themes for example


No it wouldnt... ive already explained this....


If you don't think IT would fundamentally change one's perception of the whole ME series,  I don't think you understand IT


IT enforces the entire ME series... taken literally its a slap in the face of the ME lore.


Good that you are accepting my point, IT and literal put a completely spin on the series.


So your saying IT uses existing lore, while the literal ending goes against it?

Cause that what IT does... 


No, your original assertion was that IT and face-value interpretations are similar in their focuses, yet you accept that they are different at the end. Your words not mine. As regards to this point, whether the lore is closer to IT or face value is not the point


I dont think you understood my words.... did anyone else get that from what I said?


Well then make sure you make your points clearer. I know you have a lot of trouble with spelling, but it shouldn't be too hard