55528 réponses à ce sujet

[v0rt3x22]

Interesting - in the new Destroy ending - the kid still refers to "us" instead of "I" or "me".

[spotlessvoid]

llbountyhunter wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Harbinger=Starchild is logical for BOTH endings

Anyway, I'm interested in seeing what Byne Rifneno Arian Dwailing Hellishfiend Maximized Lex0r and other stalwarts have to say. I trust if something is amiss one of ours will uncover it.

No, it wouldnt.... how would it make sense?

Because Harbinger would still have motivation to present his choices in a more palatable avatar to Shep for one.

Literal ending doesn't exclude the idea that Reapers are trying to influence Shepards decision

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


If IT itself is used to end the threat then yes it can.

And as for inception, if he was dreaming then perhaps he never sees his kids or makes it back, and that the whole point of the movie.

Briefly explain how this could possibly be the case, I'm really struggling

It doesn't matter if when seeing his kids at the end he is still dreaming; the point is he doesn't care any more. Hence why it doesn't matter if it is a dream or not, it is besides the point.

Can really post long paragraghs... just look at my second link in my sig and the 6th questions i kinda answerd it there.


his goal from the beginning was to see his kids! how could he not care? 

[Sebby]

[inappropriate thread removed.]

Modifié par Ninja Stan, 26 juin 2012 - 10:03 .

[llbountyhunter]

spotlessvoid wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Harbinger=Starchild is logical for BOTH endings

Anyway, I'm interested in seeing what Byne Rifneno Arian Dwailing Hellishfiend Maximized Lex0r and other stalwarts have to say. I trust if something is amiss one of ours will uncover it.

No, it wouldnt.... how would it make sense?

Because Harbinger would still have motivation to present his choices in a more palatable avatar to Shep for one.

Literal ending doesn't exclude the idea that Reapers are trying to influence Shepards decision

You just described another variation of the theory.... i dont agree with that variation.... but there you go.

[L0NEWOLF25]

I discovered something, when you reject the starkids choices he walk towards the window and disappears and the next thing you see is a reaper flying past that window shooting down a ship. It's kinda strange that those things happend at roughly the same time and the camera trys to point this out. I don't know but It could be something, and at the same time it could be nothing.

[EpyonX3]

SO BE IT!

[v0rt3x22]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Chewy96 wrote...

@v0rt3x2

I agree with the IT theory but if its not true how do they explain the star child looking like the kid

Well my point exactly. 

If IT isn't true - there's a lot of explaining to do. I can't explain why it looks like the child, if IT isn't true.

Actually I'd like to correct myself. 

Regardless of whether IT is true or not - it makes sense in both versions.

The Reapers still control star child.

So it makes sense that they chose an image that represents all humanity.

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 26 juin 2012 - 08:38 .

[spotlessvoid]

llbountyhunter wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

spotlessvoid wrote...

Harbinger=Starchild is logical for BOTH endings

Anyway, I'm interested in seeing what Byne Rifneno Arian Dwailing Hellishfiend Maximized Lex0r and other stalwarts have to say. I trust if something is amiss one of ours will uncover it.

No, it wouldnt.... how would it make sense?

Because Harbinger would still have motivation to present his choices in a more palatable avatar to Shep for one.

Literal ending doesn't exclude the idea that Reapers are trying to influence Shepards decision

You just described another variation of the theory.... i dont agree with that variation.... but there you go.

Not really. I'm saying that if EVERYTHING is real, the Reapers still might have a prefered choice and are trying to TALK Shepard into it. No physical indoctrination required

[Verit]

Wasn't the whole point behind the IT that Bioware was going to eventually release the "real" ending? Why are people still holding on to it even now, when Bioware made it clear that there will be no more ending DLC? It's obvious this was never their intention, and they just left the ending open for interpretation (so far for clarification and closure) so they didn't have to disappoint people who still believe in the IT.

[smokingotter1]

Zero132132 wrote...

People are still holding on to IT, even now? Damn.

One question I've been curious about the last couple of days... for IT fans, why is it that it's actually easier to reject synthesis and control when you have very few war assets? I mean, those options aren't even available then. Shepard doesn't wake up then, either, so how does indoctrination relate to war assets?

I'll try. (from an earlier reddit post I made) 

People I talk with
sometimes ask along the lines- "if destroy is good ending why is
Synthesis only unlocked with a high enough EMS, shouldn't a high EMS be a
reward to unlock a good ending?" The way I see it, people who played
the entire ME trilogy are more likely to try to max out their EMS
because of their investment into the story, so synthesis is in a way a
nod/reward to those people and a extra hint (IMO) to those players that
this is indoctrination. The way I experienced it the first time I played
was "oh Saren, Sovereign... ha, nice." Unlocking synthesis for newbies would be unfair to them.

The higher the ems the more you (player and Shepard) invested in the ME universe, the more you care about the characters, races, story, and the more you're going to want to have a "happy ending" where everyone lives making your resistance to indoctrination weaker and opening new ways of thinking that are inline with what the reapers offer.

[llbountyhunter]

-Draikin- wrote...

Wasn't the whole point behind the IT that Bioware was going to eventually release the "real" ending? Why are people still holding on to it even now, when Bioware made it clear that there will be no more ending DLC? It's obvious this was never their intention, and they just left the ending open for interpretation (so far for clarification and closure) so they didn't have to disappoint people who still believe in the IT.

Its obviouse they want to leave it ambigious. IT doesnt require more dlc.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 26 juin 2012 - 08:44 .

[v0rt3x22]

-Draikin- wrote...

Wasn't the whole point behind the IT that Bioware was going to eventually release the "real" ending? Why are people still holding on to it even now, when Bioware made it clear that there will be no more ending DLC? It's obvious this was never their intention, and they just left the ending open for interpretation (so far for clarification and closure) so they didn't have to disappoint people who still believe in the IT.

I'd rather have them debunk than leave it up to my imagination.

[Unschuld]

EpyonX3 wrote...

SO BE IT!

Huh? Wha?

[HellishFiend]

So it turns out BW was telling the truth when they said that the EC does not confirm or deny IT. I had hoped they were lying about that, but it is what it is.

Still gathering my thoughts, but the first thing that jumps out at me is that the Breath scene makes even less sense now in the literal context, which is scary considering it made almost no sense as it was.

[HellishFiend]

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SO BE IT!

Huh? Wha?

"SO BE IT!" is what Starbinger says if you shoot at him. It's quite amusing, actually. 

Shepard: *pew pew* 
Starbinger: SO BE IT! *storms off*
Shepard: 

[v0rt3x22]

HellishFiend wrote...

So it turns out BW was telling the truth when they said that the EC does not confirm or deny IT. I had hoped they were lying about that, but it is what it is.

Still gathering my thoughts, but the first thing that jumps out at me is that the Breath scene makes even less sense now in the literal context, which is scary considering it made almost no sense as it was.

IF "IT" is not true - and the ending is to be taken literal - then Shepard's body must be on the citadel.
I think they also added ambient background audio in that scene - which first sounded like city noise - but it could very well be citadel noise as well.

[Unschuld]

HellishFiend wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SO BE IT!

Huh? Wha?

"SO BE IT!" is what Starbinger says if you shoot at him. It's quite amusing, actually. 

Shepard: *pew pew* 
Starbinger: SO BE IT! *storms off*
Shepard: 

Oh, yeah... that. LOL

That was the first ending I got today. I felt pissed so I figured I'd squeeze off a few rounds at ghost kid (never tried it before). Literally an "oh ****!!" moment after that. Laughed myself into tears.

Bravo, Bioware!

[Unschuld]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

IF "IT" is not true - and the ending is to be taken literal - then Shepard's body must be on the citadel.
I think they also added ambient background audio in that scene - which first sounded like city noise - but it could very well be citadel noise as well.

No, the noise was always there. The music wasn't though.

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SO BE IT!

Huh? Wha?

"SO BE IT!" is what Starbinger says if you shoot at him. It's quite amusing, actually. 

Shepard: *pew pew* 
Starbinger: SO BE IT! *storms off*
Shepard: 

He says it after you reject the choices too.

It's like sitting in front of the god father and refusing his spaghetti.

[HellishFiend]

Unschuld wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SO BE IT!

Huh? Wha?

"SO BE IT!" is what Starbinger says if you shoot at him. It's quite amusing, actually. 

Shepard: *pew pew* 
Starbinger: SO BE IT! *storms off*
Shepard: 

Oh, yeah... that. LOL

That was the first ending I got today. I felt pissed so I figured I'd squeeze off a few rounds at ghost kid (never tried it before). Literally an "oh ****!!" moment after that. Laughed myself into tears.

Bravo, Bioware!

I know that feel. Mostly because the same damn thing happened to me my first time through! 

[SLonergan]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

So it turns out BW was telling the truth when they said that the EC does not confirm or deny IT. I had hoped they were lying about that, but it is what it is.

Still gathering my thoughts, but the first thing that jumps out at me is that the Breath scene makes even less sense now in the literal context, which is scary considering it made almost no sense as it was.

IF "IT" is not true - and the ending is to be taken literal - then Shepard's body must be on the citadel.
I think they also added ambient background audio in that scene - which first sounded like city noise - but it could very well be citadel noise as well.

I think the breath scene makes more sense now...only the synth PARTS of Shepard were destroyed...and they show the the Citadel just broke apart...it didn't blow up. Plus, there were ships moving toward the wreckage...they'll find him.

[EpyonX3]

Unschuld wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

SO BE IT!

Huh? Wha?

"SO BE IT!" is what Starbinger says if you shoot at him. It's quite amusing, actually. 

Shepard: *pew pew* 
Starbinger: SO BE IT! *storms off*
Shepard: 

Oh, yeah... that. LOL

That was the first ending I got today. I felt pissed so I figured I'd squeeze off a few rounds at ghost kid (never tried it before). Literally an "oh ****!!" moment after that. Laughed myself into tears.

Bravo, Bioware!

See.....They listen!

[spotlessvoid]

I guess my gut feeling is that if the ec was the original launch ending, IT would still make the most sense. So in that regard, only extending the post choice Shepard fantasies (wish fulfillment or Reaper pacification) stands out as odd, meaning IT wasn't directly debunked. But some of the surreal oddities we pointed too such as 1m1 and marauder Shields have been corrected meaning they were bugs seemingly.

The reinforcement of starchild having reaper voice seems equally logical, but more hinting at IT than literal. If starchild didn't create the reapers as the reaper voice implies, but is actually an avatar of Harbs, it does raise the question of why Harbs accepts giving Shepard choices at all. Only if The Reapers are pro synthesis can it make some sense.

Of course, if Harbinger concedes to undesirable outcomes, then doesn't that imply the possibility of conventional victory? If not why not just kill Shep and blow up the crucible?

Maybe starchild completely controls the reapers, and their voices are actually his, and when Shep refuses to play along he stops the charade and uses his real voice?

[HellishFiend]

Unschuld wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

IF "IT" is not true - and the ending is to be taken literal - then Shepard's body must be on the citadel.
I think they also added ambient background audio in that scene - which first sounded like city noise - but it could very well be citadel noise as well.

No, the noise was always there. The music wasn't though.

My point is that the EC clearly shows that Shepard is/was dead in the Destroy ending. He didnt live. Yet he lived? IT is the only thing that still sufficiently explains the significance/purpose of the breath scene.