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[SubAstris]

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


If IT itself is used to end the threat then yes it can.

And as for inception, if he was dreaming then perhaps he never sees his kids or makes it back, and that the whole point of the movie.

Briefly explain how this could possibly be the case, I'm really struggling

It doesn't matter if when seeing his kids at the end he is still dreaming; the point is he doesn't care any more. Hence why it doesn't matter if it is a dream or not, it is besides the point.

Can really post long paragraghs... just look at my second link in my sig and the 6th questions i kinda answerd it there.


his goal from the beginning was to see his kids! how could he not care? 

Clearly his kids are very important to him, I think you are missing the point. He doesn't really care in the end whether it is truly a dream or not, he just wants to finally see his kids

[llbountyhunter]

SLonergan wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

So it turns out BW was telling the truth when they said that the EC does not confirm or deny IT. I had hoped they were lying about that, but it is what it is.

Still gathering my thoughts, but the first thing that jumps out at me is that the Breath scene makes even less sense now in the literal context, which is scary considering it made almost no sense as it was.

IF "IT" is not true - and the ending is to be taken literal - then Shepard's body must be on the citadel.
I think they also added ambient background audio in that scene - which first sounded like city noise - but it could very well be citadel noise as well.

I think the breath scene makes more sense now...only the synth PARTS of Shepard were destroyed...and they show the the Citadel just broke apart...it didn't blow up. Plus, there were ships moving toward the wreckage...they'll find him.

But they show the breath scene after the repaired the citadel.....

[SubAstris]

HellishFiend wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

IF "IT" is not true - and the ending is to be taken literal - then Shepard's body must be on the citadel.
I think they also added ambient background audio in that scene - which first sounded like city noise - but it could very well be citadel noise as well.

No, the noise was always there. The music wasn't though.

My point is that the EC clearly shows that Shepard is/was dead in the Destroy ending. He didnt live. Yet he lived? IT is the only thing that still sufficiently explains the significance/purpose of the breath scene. 

I suppose the common movie trope of having the hero survive a seemingly impossible explosion is lost on you?

[Lat2oo5]

There is no more EC, there is no hope. I tried to see this ending from the IT point of view and I get nothing than a stronger literal ending. I read better options in this thread that ashamed the ones showed by Bioware... I dont know how should I feel right now, IT is the best theory ever made.

[Tirian Thorn]

Seboist wrote...

I must say I thoroughly enjoyed watching the new control ending and what made it even more sweeter was knowing that my choice wouldn't be invalidated like all the IT believing nutjobs in this thread wanted it to be and would instead be squirming that their crackpot fanboy conspiracy theory was thoroughly rejected by both the fans and the devs.

Thank you Seboist. 

It's very liberating to not have to hide my tinfoil hat any more.  And to show my pride I am giving out free tinfoil hats to all my fellow nuts (IT believers).   Where them with pride!   

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


If IT itself is used to end the threat then yes it can.

And as for inception, if he was dreaming then perhaps he never sees his kids or makes it back, and that the whole point of the movie.

Briefly explain how this could possibly be the case, I'm really struggling

It doesn't matter if when seeing his kids at the end he is still dreaming; the point is he doesn't care any more. Hence why it doesn't matter if it is a dream or not, it is besides the point.

Can really post long paragraghs... just look at my second link in my sig and the 6th questions i kinda answerd it there.


his goal from the beginning was to see his kids! how could he not care? 

Clearly his kids are very important to him, I think you are missing the point. He doesn't really care in the end whether it is truly a dream or not, he just wants to finally see his kids

But if its a dream, then hes not really seeing his kids is he? If he finds the totem still spinning,he's not going to be all "oh whatever, i still got to see this shade of my kids... yay!"

[SubAstris]

Lat2oo5 wrote...

There is no more EC, there is no hope. I tried to see this ending from the IT point of view and I get nothing than a stronger literal ending. I read better options in this thread that ashamed the ones showed by Bioware... I dont know how should I feel right now, IT is the best theory ever made.

Good to see that you have come to your senses. I predict other ITers will/have dropped like flies

[HellishFiend]

SubAstris wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

IF "IT" is not true - and the ending is to be taken literal - then Shepard's body must be on the citadel.
I think they also added ambient background audio in that scene - which first sounded like city noise - but it could very well be citadel noise as well.

No, the noise was always there. The music wasn't though.

My point is that the EC clearly shows that Shepard is/was dead in the Destroy ending. He didnt live. Yet he lived? IT is the only thing that still sufficiently explains the significance/purpose of the breath scene. 

I suppose the common movie trope of having the hero survive a seemingly impossible explosion is lost on you?

If you think the EC is going to suddenly change my stance on replying to your posts, you're wrong. So please continue your previous practice of only replying to those you know buy into your trolling attempts. 

[Arian Dynas]

spotlessvoid wrote...

I guess my gut feeling is that if the ec was the original launch ending, IT would still make the most sense. So in that regard, only extending the post choice Shepard fantasies (wish fulfillment or Reaper pacification) stands out as odd, meaning IT wasn't directly debunked. But some of the surreal oddities we pointed too such as 1m1 and marauder Shields have been corrected meaning they were bugs seemingly.

The reinforcement of starchild having reaper voice seems equally logical, but more hinting at IT than literal. If starchild didn't create the reapers as the reaper voice implies, but is actually an avatar of Harbs, it does raise the question of why Harbs accepts giving Shepard choices at all. Only if The Reapers are pro synthesis can it make some sense.

Of course, if Harbinger concedes to undesirable outcomes, then doesn't that imply the possibility of conventional victory? If not why not just kill Shep and blow up the crucible?

Maybe starchild completely controls the reapers, and their voices are actually his, and when Shep refuses to play along he stops the charade and uses his real voice?

1m1 wasn't corrected, it's still there.

Either way, I agree with you for the most part.

[magicalpoop]

indoctrination theory is dead, face it.

They've made numerous PR statements about it, which had the tone of "no not really, but sure if you want to believe that - go ahead".

[SubAstris]

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


If IT itself is used to end the threat then yes it can.

And as for inception, if he was dreaming then perhaps he never sees his kids or makes it back, and that the whole point of the movie.

Briefly explain how this could possibly be the case, I'm really struggling

It doesn't matter if when seeing his kids at the end he is still dreaming; the point is he doesn't care any more. Hence why it doesn't matter if it is a dream or not, it is besides the point.

Can really post long paragraghs... just look at my second link in my sig and the 6th questions i kinda answerd it there.


his goal from the beginning was to see his kids! how could he not care? 

Clearly his kids are very important to him, I think you are missing the point. He doesn't really care in the end whether it is truly a dream or not, he just wants to finally see his kids

But if its a dream, then hes not really seeing his kids is he? If he finds the totem still spinning,he's not going to be all "oh whatever, i still got to see this shade of my kids... yay!"

Point is, his dreams have become his reality, he doesn't care anymore

[SubAstris]

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[Arian Dynas]

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[Sylvianus]

HA HA HA ! So many pages for... nothing. Well done Bsn XD

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...


If IT itself is used to end the threat then yes it can.

And as for inception, if he was dreaming then perhaps he never sees his kids or makes it back, and that the whole point of the movie.

Briefly explain how this could possibly be the case, I'm really struggling

It doesn't matter if when seeing his kids at the end he is still dreaming; the point is he doesn't care any more. Hence why it doesn't matter if it is a dream or not, it is besides the point.

Can really post long paragraghs... just look at my second link in my sig and the 6th questions i kinda answerd it there.


his goal from the beginning was to see his kids! how could he not care? 

Clearly his kids are very important to him, I think you are missing the point. He doesn't really care in the end whether it is truly a dream or not, he just wants to finally see his kids

But if its a dream, then hes not really seeing his kids is he? If he finds the totem still spinning,he's not going to be all "oh whatever, i still got to see this shade of my kids... yay!"

Point is, his dreams have become his reality, he doesn't care anymore

You dont know that.... if true then why did he spin the totem in the first place..

Also were iff topic... kinda...  might just was to agree to disagree.

[UrgedDuke]

they actually did change the ending by adding the 4th choice. so much for artistic integrity

[insomniac13]

The IT was a fluke.

Well done everyone! You tried

[Unschuld]

SubAstris wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

There is no more EC, there is no hope. I tried to see this ending from the IT point of view and I get nothing than a stronger literal ending. I read better options in this thread that ashamed the ones showed by Bioware... I dont know how should I feel right now, IT is the best theory ever made.

Good to see that you have come to your senses. I predict other ITers will/have dropped like flies

To be fair, even though I think the IT as was theorized is all but dissolved, the EC still didn't flat-out state that it wasn't. Personally I think Bioware left the ambiguity of Shepard's survival in destroy as a nod to the fact that it could still go either way. Anderson's name on the memorial wall is particularly damning though. 

[7he Island Head]

Lion Martinez wrote...

Wow, some great theorizing going on in this thread. I'm really enjoying it, it intrigues me. Keep it up

Too bad your EC ruined all of the "speculations from everyone"

[llbountyhunter]

Troll wave incoming.....

[SubAstris]

Arian Dynas wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

There is no more EC, there is no hope. I tried to see this ending from the IT point of view and I get nothing than a stronger literal ending. I read better options in this thread that ashamed the ones showed by Bioware... I dont know how should I feel right now, IT is the best theory ever made.

Good to see that you have come to your senses. I predict other ITers will/have dropped like flies

Oh **** you.

Guys, I'll be in the group, but avoiding the thread for now.

I don't feel like wading through **** for a bit of discussion with friends.

It's true, looking at the posts, support for IT has diminished

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

insomniac13 wrote...

The IT was a fluke.

Well done everyone! You tried

It has been neither confirmed nor denied, as Bioware said would be the case.

[v0rt3x22]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Troll wave incoming.....

Yea I noticed. <_<

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

HellishFiend wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

IF "IT" is not true - and the ending is to be taken literal - then Shepard's body must be on the citadel.
I think they also added ambient background audio in that scene - which first sounded like city noise - but it could very well be citadel noise as well.

No, the noise was always there. The music wasn't though.

My point is that the EC clearly shows that Shepard is/was dead in the Destroy ending. He didnt live. Yet he lived? IT is the only thing that still sufficiently explains the significance/purpose of the breath scene. 

Exactly, especially the fact that they set the Breath scene after everything else is even more of. If all those things happened, if all that really went down, why ahs no one found Shepard if he was on the Citadel or earth?

[Vox Draco]

SubAstris wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

There is no more EC, there is no hope. I tried to see this ending from the IT point of view and I get nothing than a stronger literal ending. I read better options in this thread that ashamed the ones showed by Bioware... I dont know how should I feel right now, IT is the best theory ever made.

Good to see that you have come to your senses. I predict other ITers will/have dropped like flies

I admit freely I no longer have hopes IT will somehow make things better now, yet my hope was always rather scarce since April...but gloating posts like the ones from you might actually make me reconsider my opinion...

But of course it had to come to this...there was no win-win in this, though I think a lot more people have "lost" with IT out of the game than now people have "won" with the more literal explanation...

Alas, the most lost have people like me...I never cared much for plotholes and the like, I only wanted a Shepard-LI reunion, no matter if IT or literal...I didn't even get that, all I have is the same as before: headcaon. But at least Bioware can't screw that up anymore...

Anyone up for the big sugarcoated marriage of Femshep and her Kaidan? Even with unicorns, just to show them the middle-finger!