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Razerath wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

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Question:

Why would Hackett say: "Holy sh*t HE did it" - and then say "We have reports that SOMEONE made it"

If he says "HE" - then I suppose that's implying that he knows who he is - and if that someone is Shepard - everyone knows Shepard.

Wouldn't he just say "Shepard made it!" ?


Shepard could be a she. Hackett is referring to Anderson!


That's exactly what I thought!


Hackett knows it's Shepard only when he radios to tell Anderson and Shepard responds. To me it makes sense given when everything goes down.


I don't think this makes sense at all.
Care to explain in detail?

Edit: Apparently Hackett says "She" if its a FemShep. In that case its ok I think.

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 26 juin 2012 - 09:20 .


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UrgentArchengel wrote...

There were a few more added hints here and there, but who here likes the endings now with more added. My favorite scene is the Normandy picking up my squadies, and saying goodbye to my beautiful Liara. A real tear jerker. Anyway, it's not that I don't believe IT, it's still an interpretation to me, but I am fine as it is. Sucks they went all Prometheus on us, but whatever. Either we somehow get a ME4 post-ME3, or I have to write a fan-fic for my Destroy ending.


Uh... God. Tell me about it. Despite the STUPIDITY of the Normandy flying right in front of Harbinger telling Tali goodbye was a tearjerker. 

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Lat2oo5 wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

There is no more EC, there is no hope. I tried to see this ending from the IT point of view and I get nothing than a stronger literal ending. I read better options in this thread that ashamed the ones showed by Bioware... I dont know how should I feel right now, IT is the best theory ever made.


Good to see that you have come to your senses. I predict other ITers will/have dropped like flies

:( there will always be a little part in my heart only for the IT.


*hug* mine too.

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fjunj wrote...

Does anyone know what that creepy, awkward noise is Shepard makes when he flies up the beam through the entrance, hits the ground and.. "wakes up"??


yea I noticed that too....no idea yet.

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HellishFiend wrote...

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So you find it reasonable that Harbinger allowed Shepard and the Normandy to survive the run to the beam even though, given how fast he can shoot, he had about 50 opportunities to vaporize the lot of them?


It was attemtp to shoot the Normady, that has barriers and can take a hit from the beam, and let even one person up the beam or continue crushing the forces at the beam and get the normandy later.


nope.avi

Not buying it. Normandy was a floating bullseye for nearly a minute. There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. 


What would Harbinger gain from letting them go?

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Quick thought - EC expiration date - 4/2014 - could it be the approx release date of the "Truth" DLC confirming IT? They did say they are going to support ME3 with DLC over the course of one year, if the last DLC is the one confirming the IT - after it is out - there will really no point in the existence of the EC, the original ending will do well enough.
What do you think guys?

Modifié par demersel, 26 juin 2012 - 09:22 .


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I bet there are still kiddies in this thread saying ''IT hasn't been disproven maybe if waa blabla giberish waaaa''.

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DiE231 wrote...

I bet there are still kiddies in this thread saying ''IT hasn't been disproven maybe if waa blabla giberish waaaa''.


Yup and I'm proud to be one of 'em. ^_^

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I did a destroy play through. Then watched the control and synthesis ending. The control ending gave me this super creepy, big brother, type of vibe. Also the synthesis ending felt even more like an abomination then the original non extended cut.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


So you find it reasonable that Harbinger allowed Shepard and the Normandy to survive the run to the beam even though, given how fast he can shoot, he had about 50 opportunities to vaporize the lot of them?


It was attemtp to shoot the Normady, that has barriers and can take a hit from the beam, and let even one person up the beam or continue crushing the forces at the beam and get the normandy later.


nope.avi

Not buying it. Normandy was a floating bullseye for nearly a minute. There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. 


What would Harbinger gain from letting them go?



What does he have to lose by shooting them down?

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demersel wrote...

Quick thought - EC expiration date - 4/2014 - could it be the approx release date of the "Truth" DLC confirming IT? They did say they are going to support ME3 with DLC over the course of one year, if the last DLC is the one confirming the IT - after it is out - there will really no point in the existence of the EC, the original ending will do well enough.
What do you think guys?


04/2014

Nope. 

Saw the correction. Still nope unless it's ME4. 

Modifié par Unschuld, 26 juin 2012 - 09:25 .


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v0rt3x22 wrote...

fjunj wrote...

Does anyone know what that creepy, awkward noise is Shepard makes when he flies up the beam through the entrance, hits the ground and.. "wakes up"??


yea I noticed that too....no idea yet.


Again.

Synthetic parts in Shepard defribing him.

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demersel wrote...

Quick thought - EC expiration date - 4/2014 - could it be the approx release date of the "Truth" DLC confirming IT? They did say they are going to support ME3 with DLC over the course of one year, if the last DLC is the one confirming the IT - after it is out - there will really no point in the existence of the EC, the original ending will do well enough.
What do you think guys?


Interesting thought but I highly doubt that even the guys who still strongly support IT (including myself) would accept to wait until 2014 for an answer :lol::lol::lol:

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byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


So you find it reasonable that Harbinger allowed Shepard and the Normandy to survive the run to the beam even though, given how fast he can shoot, he had about 50 opportunities to vaporize the lot of them?


It was attemtp to shoot the Normady, that has barriers and can take a hit from the beam, and let even one person up the beam or continue crushing the forces at the beam and get the normandy later.


nope.avi

Not buying it. Normandy was a floating bullseye for nearly a minute. There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. 


What would Harbinger gain from letting them go?



What does he have to lose by shooting them down?


Nothing, which is why he didn't. They're not a threat. The trucks, tanks, aircraft and foot soldiers bolting to the beam are.

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Question:

Why would Hackett say: "Holy sh*t HE did it" - and then say "We have reports that SOMEONE made it"

If he says "HE" - then I suppose that's implying that he knows who he is - and if that someone is Shepard - everyone knows Shepard.

Wouldn't he just say "Shepard made it!" ?


Shepard could be a she. Hackett is referring to Anderson!


That's exactly what I thought!


Hackett knows it's Shepard only when he radios to tell Anderson and Shepard responds. To me it makes sense given when everything goes down.


I don't think this makes sense at all.
Care to explain in detail?


Sure.

Hackett gets confrimation that someone gets into the Citadel. Considering Coats says all the ground forces were destroyed and also considering that Anderson followed Shepard up you can conclude that Anderson seeing everyone go down, and while hanging back originally just in case no one made it so he can try to sneak up, went up after everyone got shot but not before Shepard woke up and killed MShields and walked into the beam.

With all that said, Hackett would only have confrimation from Anderson who was awake the whole time and not near death at the time that he made it. What Hackett says then "He made it" would make sense. Without this though, it wouldn't make much sense for him to say "someone" and then "he".

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

DiE231 wrote...

I bet there are still kiddies in this thread saying ''IT hasn't been disproven maybe if waa blabla giberish waaaa''.


Yup and I'm proud to be one of 'em. ^_^


As am I. Stand strong, and stand together.

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DiE231 wrote...

I bet there are still kiddies in this thread saying ''IT hasn't been disproven maybe if waa blabla giberish waaaa''.




II bet there are still kiddies in this thread saying "IT never was or would have, or will be an ending because its stupid and makes the game aweful waa blabla giberish waaaaa"

IT may have been very much disproven but insulting it or the people that believed in it isn't going to change anybody's opinions

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byne - as OP - how do you feel about IT? Still believing? Just curious.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


So you find it reasonable that Harbinger allowed Shepard and the Normandy to survive the run to the beam even though, given how fast he can shoot, he had about 50 opportunities to vaporize the lot of them?


It was attemtp to shoot the Normady, that has barriers and can take a hit from the beam, and let even one person up the beam or continue crushing the forces at the beam and get the normandy later.


nope.avi

Not buying it. Normandy was a floating bullseye for nearly a minute. There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. 


What would Harbinger gain from letting them go?


He wouldnt let them go. That's my point. Literal ending has no plausible explanation for why he does not shoot the Normandy down or vaporize Shep and friends while they have a heart-to-heart by the wrecked vehicles. 

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Razerath wrote...

Sure.

Hackett gets confrimation that someone gets into the Citadel. Considering Coats says all the ground forces were destroyed and also considering that Anderson followed Shepard up you can conclude that Anderson seeing everyone go down, and while hanging back originally just in case no one made it so he can try to sneak up, went up after everyone got shot but not before Shepard woke up and killed MShields and walked into the beam.

With all that said, Hackett would only have confrimation from Anderson who was awake the whole time and not near death at the time that he made it. What Hackett says then "He made it" would make sense. Without this though, it wouldn't make much sense for him to say "someone" and then "he".


Ok makes sense - and btw - I heard that if you have FemShep - Hackett says "she".

But there's still that weird part about Anderson trying to explain where he is on the citadel.
Doesn't make sense.

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HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


So you find it reasonable that Harbinger allowed Shepard and the Normandy to survive the run to the beam even though, given how fast he can shoot, he had about 50 opportunities to vaporize the lot of them?


It was attemtp to shoot the Normady, that has barriers and can take a hit from the beam, and let even one person up the beam or continue crushing the forces at the beam and get the normandy later.


nope.avi

Not buying it. Normandy was a floating bullseye for nearly a minute. There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. 


What would Harbinger gain from letting them go?


He wouldnt let them go. That's my point. Literal ending has no plausible explanation for why he does not shoot the Normandy down or vaporize Shep and friends while they have a heart-to-heart by the wrecked vehicles. 


And dont even start on "The Normandy barriers could take the shoot." Reaper beams have been cutting through cruisers without any trouble, the Normandy though advanced is nothing but a frigate. A stray beam would be enough to cut it clean in half.

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EpyonX3 wrote...


Again.

Synthetic parts in Shepard defribing him.


This. 

Said it earlier. 

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

Razerath wrote...

Sure.

Hackett gets confrimation that someone gets into the Citadel. Considering Coats says all the ground forces were destroyed and also considering that Anderson followed Shepard up you can conclude that Anderson seeing everyone go down, and while hanging back originally just in case no one made it so he can try to sneak up, went up after everyone got shot but not before Shepard woke up and killed MShields and walked into the beam.

With all that said, Hackett would only have confrimation from Anderson who was awake the whole time and not near death at the time that he made it. What Hackett says then "He made it" would make sense. Without this though, it wouldn't make much sense for him to say "someone" and then "he".


Ok makes sense - and btw - I heard that if you have FemShep - Hackett says "she".

But there's still that weird part about Anderson trying to explain where he is on the citadel.
Doesn't make sense.


True it does seem odd in some fashion but nothing is perfect. I just woldn't read super far into it... well not as far as IT goes anyway, thats my opinion.

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HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


So you find it reasonable that Harbinger allowed Shepard and the Normandy to survive the run to the beam even though, given how fast he can shoot, he had about 50 opportunities to vaporize the lot of them?


It was attemtp to shoot the Normady, that has barriers and can take a hit from the beam, and let even one person up the beam or continue crushing the forces at the beam and get the normandy later.


nope.avi

Not buying it. Normandy was a floating bullseye for nearly a minute. There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. 


What would Harbinger gain from letting them go?


He wouldnt let them go. That's my point. Literal ending has no plausible explanation for why he does not shoot the Normandy down or vaporize Shep and friends while they have a heart-to-heart by the wrecked vehicles. 


See my response to Byne. But do you have an answer to the question? You said: "There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. " suggesting that Harbinger let them go for a reason. What reason would Harbinger have to let them go? What does he gain?