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[HellishFiend]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


So you find it reasonable that Harbinger allowed Shepard and the Normandy to survive the run to the beam even though, given how fast he can shoot, he had about 50 opportunities to vaporize the lot of them?

It was attemtp to shoot the Normady, that has barriers and can take a hit from the beam, and let even one person up the beam or continue crushing the forces at the beam and get the normandy later.

nope.avi

Not buying it. Normandy was a floating bullseye for nearly a minute. There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. 

What would Harbinger gain from letting them go?

He wouldnt let them go. That's my point. Literal ending has no plausible explanation for why he does not shoot the Normandy down or vaporize Shep and friends while they have a heart-to-heart by the wrecked vehicles. 

And dont even start on "The Normandy barriers could take the shoot." Reaper beams have been cutting through cruisers without any trouble, the Normandy though advanced is nothing but a frigate. A stray beam would be enough to cut it clean in half.

This. Collector ship weapons =/= Sovereign class Reaper weapons

[v0rt3x22]

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Again.

Synthetic parts in Shepard defribing him.

This. 

Said it earlier. 

Kind of weird to introduce that now - don't you think?
A built in defrib? 

[UrgentArchengel]

Who here thinks Mass Effect 4 is a possibility? I think it'd be interesting to live in the world you basically reshaped, or maybe we see the true fall of the Reapers, and the revenge of IT.

Muhahahahaha!

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


So you find it reasonable that Harbinger allowed Shepard and the Normandy to survive the run to the beam even though, given how fast he can shoot, he had about 50 opportunities to vaporize the lot of them?

It was attemtp to shoot the Normady, that has barriers and can take a hit from the beam, and let even one person up the beam or continue crushing the forces at the beam and get the normandy later.

nope.avi

Not buying it. Normandy was a floating bullseye for nearly a minute. There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. 

What would Harbinger gain from letting them go?

He wouldnt let them go. That's my point. Literal ending has no plausible explanation for why he does not shoot the Normandy down or vaporize Shep and friends while they have a heart-to-heart by the wrecked vehicles. 

See my response to Byne. But do you have an answer to the question? You said: "There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. " suggesting that Harbinger let them go for a reason. What reason would Harbinger have to let them go? What does he gain?

My point is flying over your head, Epyon. My point, again, is that he WOULDNT let them go. Therefore the fact that he doesnt blow them all away suggests Harbinger just had a huge derp moment, or it's a hallucination. 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Again.

Synthetic parts in Shepard defribing him.

This. 

Said it earlier. 

Kind of weird to introduce that now - don't you think?
A built in defrib? 

Which has never been mentioned or alluded to...ever<_<

[UrgedDuke]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Who here thinks Mass Effect 4 is a possibility? I think it'd be interesting to live in the world you basically reshaped, or maybe we see the true fall of the Reapers, and the revenge of IT.

Muhahahahaha!

too depressed to think about ME4 or ME in general it just seems dead to me now:crying:

[byne]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

byne - as OP - how do you feel about IT? Still believing? Just curious.

Yeah. The EC neither proved nor disproved it, just like they said it wouldnt. 

I've seen people say the refusal ending somehow disproves it, but even I dont see how. If you simply refuse to go along with the Reapers' logic, and dont pick anything, you have basically given up. Even more so than when you accept their logic in control or synthesis.

The scene at the end with Liara's VI thing telling people how to beat the Reapers proves nothing. That VI capsule was sent out regardless of what happened in the endings. 

[v0rt3x22]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Who here thinks Mass Effect 4 is a possibility? I think it'd be interesting to live in the world you basically reshaped, or maybe we see the true fall of the Reapers, and the revenge of IT.

Muhahahahaha!

I'm gonna stick with IT (no pun intended) - until BioWare says otherwise.
And if they never say it - then that's just my own version of the ending.

Afterall - that's what BioWare wanted. An interpretation 

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


So you find it reasonable that Harbinger allowed Shepard and the Normandy to survive the run to the beam even though, given how fast he can shoot, he had about 50 opportunities to vaporize the lot of them?

It was attemtp to shoot the Normady, that has barriers and can take a hit from the beam, and let even one person up the beam or continue crushing the forces at the beam and get the normandy later.

nope.avi

Not buying it. Normandy was a floating bullseye for nearly a minute. There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. 

What would Harbinger gain from letting them go?

He wouldnt let them go. That's my point. Literal ending has no plausible explanation for why he does not shoot the Normandy down or vaporize Shep and friends while they have a heart-to-heart by the wrecked vehicles. 

And dont even start on "The Normandy barriers could take the shoot." Reaper beams have been cutting through cruisers without any trouble, the Normandy though advanced is nothing but a frigate. A stray beam would be enough to cut it clean in half.

This. Collector ship weapons =/= Sovereign class Reaper weapons

And yet they're bearly enough to cut through or vaporize tanks, trucks and aircraft. Hitting the nomandy to destroy it would have taken numerous shots. Also, in the beginning we see a dreadnaught take repeated strikes from reaper beams in the time it takes to get to the trigger in the level.

If Harbinger tried to take a shot, the ground forces puring from three directions would gain ground and possibly get to the beam.

[HellishFiend]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Again.

Synthetic parts in Shepard defribing him.

This. 

Said it earlier. 

Kind of weird to introduce that now - don't you think?
A built in defrib? 

Which has never been mentioned or alluded to...ever<_<

My stance on authoring lore and explanations without established precedent remains unchanged. I will not entertain the idea that he had a built in defib because it's just a flat out guess.

[spotlessvoid]

JaimasOfRaxis wrote...

I'd say there's plenty of evidence. Nothing about IT's disproven, Shep still wakes up, and, as a big sugar-frosted topping on the screw you sundae, Starfartknocker speaks in Harbinger's voice. IT is not disproven by EC flushing things out slightly for another few minutes.

didn't disprove IT, just aeems unnecessary if IT is real.

Of course many plotholes still exist.

Why not vaporize Shep on the beam run? Why offer Shepard options? Why not kill Shepard when he makes it past TIM. WTF are the oily shadows? Why not destroy the crucible? If the Reapers are for synthesis, why offer anything but?

EC didn't actually explain jack ****. Literal is still f'n stupid. IT still makes sense.

The question is why would Bioware bother with Ec if there is a reveal in the works?

Question 1.
Do you really think it took that long to make the ec?

If no then:
Did they delay it to keep people playing MP and slow returns?
Or where they buying time while actually working on other content? SP or MP?

Question 2.
Is Bioware not intentionally debunking IT because they don't want to look like their fans are better writers than they are?

[HellishFiend]

EpyonX3 wrote...

And yet they're bearly enough to cut through or vaporize tanks, trucks and aircraft. Hitting the nomandy to destroy it would have taken numerous shots. Also, in the beginning we see a dreadnaught take repeated strikes from reaper beams in the time it takes to get to the trigger in the level.

If Harbinger tried to take a shot, the ground forces puring from three directions would gain ground and possibly get to the beam.

It's safe for you to give up trying to convince me that scene is legit. 

[UrgedDuke]

EpyonX3 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

fjunj wrote...

Does anyone know what that creepy, awkward noise is Shepard makes when he flies up the beam through the entrance, hits the ground and.. "wakes up"??

yea I noticed that too....no idea yet.

Again.

Synthetic parts in Shepard defribing him.

now your grasping at straws for the litera ending

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


So you find it reasonable that Harbinger allowed Shepard and the Normandy to survive the run to the beam even though, given how fast he can shoot, he had about 50 opportunities to vaporize the lot of them?

It was attemtp to shoot the Normady, that has barriers and can take a hit from the beam, and let even one person up the beam or continue crushing the forces at the beam and get the normandy later.

nope.avi

Not buying it. Normandy was a floating bullseye for nearly a minute. There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. 

What would Harbinger gain from letting them go?

He wouldnt let them go. That's my point. Literal ending has no plausible explanation for why he does not shoot the Normandy down or vaporize Shep and friends while they have a heart-to-heart by the wrecked vehicles. 

See my response to Byne. But do you have an answer to the question? You said: "There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. " suggesting that Harbinger let them go for a reason. What reason would Harbinger have to let them go? What does he gain?

The real Harby has nothing to gain by letting them go, but that doesnt change the fact that he pretty clearly did so.

I still believe the hallucination starts when your transport crashes like I always have, though, so Harby was never there in the first place.

[demersel]

UrgentArchengel wrote...

Who here thinks Mass Effect 4 is a possibility? I think it'd be interesting to live in the world you basically reshaped, or maybe we see the true fall of the Reapers, and the revenge of IT.

Muhahahahaha!

Actually I do. Shepard wakes up, gets treated, crucible does nothing, the galaxy is still full of reapers, and now we have to find the real way to stop them. ))))  comea 4/2014 

It will be Mass Effect 3 part 2/ ))

[EpyonX3]

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Again.

Synthetic parts in Shepard defribing him.

This. 

Said it earlier. 

Kind of weird to introduce that now - don't you think?
A built in defrib? 

Which has never been mentioned or alluded to...ever<_<

So? We know he has synthetic parts and this is the first time we've seen Shepard go through that much trauma. Not to mention that we can see ome of those part implanted into him in the beginning of ME2 and through his eyes if you went renegade without the surgery.

[SubAstris]

Vox Draco wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

There is no more EC, there is no hope. I tried to see this ending from the IT point of view and I get nothing than a stronger literal ending. I read better options in this thread that ashamed the ones showed by Bioware... I dont know how should I feel right now, IT is the best theory ever made.

Good to see that you have come to your senses. I predict other ITers will/have dropped like flies

I admit freely I no longer have hopes IT will somehow make things better now, yet my hope was always rather scarce since April...but gloating posts like the ones from you might actually make me reconsider my opinion...

But of course it had to come to this...there was no win-win in this, though I think a lot more people have "lost" with IT out of the game than now people have "won" with the more literal explanation...

Alas, the most lost have people like me...I never cared much for plotholes and the like, I only wanted a Shepard-LI reunion, no matter if IT or literal...I didn't even get that, all I have is the same as before: headcaon. But at least Bioware can't screw that up anymore...

Anyone up for the big sugarcoated marriage of Femshep and her Kaidan? Even with unicorns, just to show them the middle-finger!

I would be slightly less mocking if some weren't so obstinate and obtuse as to not realise EC has put the final nail in the coffin of IT

[EpyonX3]

UrgedDuke wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

fjunj wrote...

Does anyone know what that creepy, awkward noise is Shepard makes when he flies up the beam through the entrance, hits the ground and.. "wakes up"??

yea I noticed that too....no idea yet.

Again.

Synthetic parts in Shepard defribing him.

now your grasping at straws for the litera ending

What?

[v0rt3x22]

byne wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

byne - as OP - how do you feel about IT? Still believing? Just curious.

Yeah. The EC neither proved nor disproved it, just like they said it wouldnt. 

I've seen people say the refusal ending somehow disproves it, but even I dont see how. If you simply refuse to go along with the Reapers' logic, and dont pick anything, you have basically given up. Even more so than when you accept their logic in control or synthesis.

The scene at the end with Liara's VI thing telling people how to beat the Reapers proves nothing. That VI capsule was sent out regardless of what happened in the endings. 

Interesting.

The way I saw the Refusal ending - is that one part of the theory was strengthened: Starchild may very well be a fabrication of the Reapers.

The funny thing is - I have to admit - BioWare seemed to have hinted at taking the endings in a literal sense - but again, like you said - there is no indication that IT is debunked or not.

But if you take it literal - the endings actually seem to also make sense.

The wake up scene of Shepard could very well be on the citadel.

It's really strange.....I know BioWare have said that they won't take a stance on it - which is why I don't agree that IT has been debunked - and I still believe in it.

The weird thing is - if BioWare were to say "Debunked" tomorrow - I'm wondering why Jessica has been tweeting hints about not trusting the kid. 

[EpyonX3]

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

And yet they're bearly enough to cut through or vaporize tanks, trucks and aircraft. Hitting the nomandy to destroy it would have taken numerous shots. Also, in the beginning we see a dreadnaught take repeated strikes from reaper beams in the time it takes to get to the trigger in the level.

If Harbinger tried to take a shot, the ground forces puring from three directions would gain ground and possibly get to the beam.

It's safe for you to give up trying to convince me that scene is legit. 

If that's what you wish. Makes sense to me. Not sure why it doesn't to others.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


So you find it reasonable that Harbinger allowed Shepard and the Normandy to survive the run to the beam even though, given how fast he can shoot, he had about 50 opportunities to vaporize the lot of them?

It was attemtp to shoot the Normady, that has barriers and can take a hit from the beam, and let even one person up the beam or continue crushing the forces at the beam and get the normandy later.

nope.avi

Not buying it. Normandy was a floating bullseye for nearly a minute. There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. 

What would Harbinger gain from letting them go?

He wouldnt let them go. That's my point. Literal ending has no plausible explanation for why he does not shoot the Normandy down or vaporize Shep and friends while they have a heart-to-heart by the wrecked vehicles. 

See my response to Byne. But do you have an answer to the question? You said: "There is no way Harbinger would have failed to destroy it if it was his intention to do so. " suggesting that Harbinger let them go for a reason. What reason would Harbinger have to let them go? What does he gain?

The real Harby has nothing to gain by letting them go, but that doesnt change the fact that he pretty clearly did so.

I still believe the hallucination starts when your transport crashes like I always have, though, so Harby was never there in the first place.

I saw and heard Harby hitting hammer even when the nornady was picking up your crew. He was busy swatting hammer to care about the normandy. I don't see how that doesn't make sense?

[dreamgazer]

HellishFiend wrote...

He wouldnt let them go. That's my point. Literal ending has no plausible explanation for why he does not shoot the Normandy down or vaporize Shep and friends while they have a heart-to-heart by the wrecked vehicles. 

I'm still digesting the new endings, but I'll take a crack at a quasi-literal "explanation".  Incoming speculation:

Shooting the Normandy down, and at least two of Shepard's squad mates with it (arguably his closest, given the situation), would send Shepard into a rage.  The catalyst, sharing perception with the Reapers, might have seen the situation in such close proximity to the conduit and realized that Shepard---and, in a sense, humanity---was strong enough to handle the decision chamber, so provoking him/her like that would not bode well for the pacifistic options that ultimately don't kill the Reapers.  

If they were to annihilate the allies of humanity's avatar, who has just about reached the goal line, they might expect flared-up retribution during the decision.  Therefore, the catalyst lets them escape so that a non-enraged Shepard would have the knowledge that they remain alive in a post-choice world, and that the decision made would directly affect those that s/he just said goodbye to.

Again, I'm still throwing ideas around in my mind, but that's what I came up with on the fly to make sense of something ... uh, somewhat nonsensical.  

[SubAstris]

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

There is no more EC, there is no hope. I tried to see this ending from the IT point of view and I get nothing than a stronger literal ending. I read better options in this thread that ashamed the ones showed by Bioware... I dont know how should I feel right now, IT is the best theory ever made.

Good to see that you have come to your senses. I predict other ITers will/have dropped like flies

Oh **** you.

Guys, I'll be in the group, but avoiding the thread for now.

I don't feel like wading through **** for a bit of discussion with friends.

It's true, looking at the posts, support for IT has diminished

Many said they would be out today even if EC confirmed IT..... which if we use literalist logic.... it has.

"Many", whose "many"? Just ITers? It doesn't matter, the hard-nut ITers are never going to be convinced in the same way that 9/11 truthers will be given all the evidence in the world wouldn't change. I'm sorry to make the comparison but it is apt; before I thought there was a small possibility of IT, now wrecked by the ending.

The fact is many ITers or people sympathetic to IT have changed their minds, and not many are going to the IT side

[byne]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Unschuld wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...


Again.

Synthetic parts in Shepard defribing him.

This. 

Said it earlier. 

Kind of weird to introduce that now - don't you think?
A built in defrib? 

Which has never been mentioned or alluded to...ever<_<

So? We know he has synthetic parts and this is the first time we've seen Shepard go through that much trauma. Not to mention that we can see ome of those part implanted into him in the beginning of ME2 and through his eyes if you went renegade without the surgery.

Clearly Shepard has arrythmia and uses a pacemaker to treat it!

Seriously Epyon, do you really think Shep has an internal defib? If so, why dont we see it shock her in the breath scene? Why has it never stopped me from dying before? Since Shep has arrythmia should we send her to Yamaku?

Anyone who gets that last reference (without googling like a cheater) gets a cookie.