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[MaximizedAction]

Parabolee77 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

SNIP

BatmanTurian wrote...

Just want to say, according to the current theories. The Big Bang was the beginning of time and because of this possibility called Dark Energy (which is used in ME by the way), the universe is being expanded faster than the speed of light.

At some point in the future, time/space will be so stretched that matter itself will be ripped apart and time will stop...

SNIP

Sorry but your both making a simple fundamental mistake. You are trying to apply linear thinking to a non-linear reality. All those scientific theories are abstract models using a linear construct. One that is ultimatly false. They work within a linear construct and are very useful in understanding the physics but DO NOT APPLY to time itself.

These models are great for theorising linear models. But are meaningless as an attempt to claim time itself is finite.

Again TIME IS AN ILLUSION. DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE IS AN ILLUSION. If all points of time exists simultaneously how can there be a future point where time does not exist?

Need proof of that claim? Go read Einstein's theory of special relativity, too complex for here.

It is simply impossibly for time to be finite. Again just apply this relativly (no pun intended) simple thought exercise -

If there was ever a point time did not exist and a point it will cease to exist again then -

How long was it before time began? If there was no time the answer must be NO AMOUNT OF TIME. So there was NEVER a time when time did not exist! The very idea is an oxy moron! 

Will there be a TIME when TIME does not exist? Seriously consider that satement.

When time ends how long will the absence of time last? Again NO AMOUNT OF TIME. So there will never be a time that time does not exist.

Time is a infinite. Those linear constructs simply do not apply to time, since Einstien prove past, present and future are NOT seperate. It is a linear illusion that they are.

But I appologise, this is WAY off topic. 

If anyone want's to contine this, maybe we should move it to a more suitable board or PM? However we should not do it here.

Off topic, so a short comment:
When speaking of an expanding universe, you can't apply special relativity. You need general relativity. Furthermore, you need to differentiate between measured time(proper time) and an overall time(cosmic time).

Past, present and future are indeed not seperate, but neither is time from space in high energies, hence spacetime.

And lastly: there are models for universes that exist for a finite amount of (cosmic) time, but our universe (with Dark Energy dominating) is not one, as BatmanTurian wrote.

And really lastly: There could very well be universes that (for a person living inside it) are finite AND are within our 'reach': The insides of Black holes if you were able enter them. Please don't try that, you wouldn't be able to tell your friends, anyway.

EDIT: please don't bash linearizations, they are our best hope of solving otherwise non-linear equations like TSA's Navier Stokes.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 19 mai 2012 - 02:57 .

[BatmanTurian]

Parabolee77 wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

SNIP

BatmanTurian wrote...

Just want to say, according to the current theories. The Big Bang was the beginning of time and because of this possibility called Dark Energy (which is used in ME by the way), the universe is being expanded faster than the speed of light.

At some point in the future, time/space will be so stretched that matter itself will be ripped apart and time will stop...

SNIP

Sorry but your both making a simple fundamental mistake. You are trying to apply linear thinking to a non-linear reality. All those scientific theories are abstract models using a linear construct. One that is ultimatly false. They work within a linear construct and are very useful in understanding the physics but DO NOT APPLY to time itself.

These models are great for theorising linear models. But are meaningless as an attempt to claim time itself is finite.

Again TIME IS AN ILLUSION. DIFFERENTIATING BETWEEN PAST, PRESENT AND FUTURE IS AN ILLUSION. If all points of time exists simultaneously how can there be a future point where time does not exist?

Need proof of that claim? Go read Einstein's theory of special relativity, too complex for here.

It is simply impossibly for time to be finite. Again just apply this relativly (no pun intended) simple thought exercise -

If there was ever a point time did not exist and a point it will cease to exist again then -

How long was it before time began? If there was no time the answer must be NO AMOUNT OF TIME. So there was NEVER a time when time did not exist! The very idea is an oxy moron! 

Will there be a TIME when TIME does not exist? Seriously consider that satement.

When time ends how long will the absence of time last? Again NO AMOUNT OF TIME. So there will never be a time that time does not exist.

Time is a infinite. Those linear constructs simply do not apply to time, since Einstien prove past, present and future are NOT seperate. It is a linear illusion that they are.

But I appologise, this is WAY off topic. 

If anyone want's to contine this, maybe we should move it to a more suitable board or PM? However we should not do it here.

I understand what you're trying to say but time is finite for organics. We're not talking objectively here but subjectively. Of course there is not a " time " when time did not exist if you look at it from the idea that there must time to observe time. At any rate, Time is a series of events all following an the Arrow of Time which flows toward a universal Entropic state. That Entropic state, that absolute entropy, rips matter, time, and space apart. Time exists so that everything, past, present, and future, do not happen at once.

Also Einstein made some mistakes and those are still being worked on so we can't say the Theory of Relativity is absolute in all respects. It's still being examined.

 We are part of time/space. We exist within time and space and it is an illusion but it is thus a measure of the arrow of time pointing toward absolute entropy. Once time/space is no more when Dark Energy forces The Big Rip or ( eons before that) organics lose the energy output from the stars, organics cannot create synthetics and the Reapers themselves will not survive.

And obviously people disagree with your assessment that time is everlasting ( even if past,present, and future are linked) or there never would have been theories like The Big Crunch or the Big Rip, or even the Big Bang when time/space began.

And no, this is a fine topic to discuss this, since we're debunking Starchild's logic. Even an A.I. a billion years old ( at the greatest assumption of age) would know the universe is finite from the simple effect of Dark Energy on the universe ( the original plot by Drew was supposedly about this) and that eventually the universe will run out of heat energy to keep organics alive. So he's lying and liars make illogical claims that don't mesh with reality or science.

(also, let's remember guys that the original and only reason Chris locked the other thread was because it was getting too long)

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 19 mai 2012 - 03:49 .

[lex0r11]

schneeland wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Hey guys, long time no see.
Just checking the new thread, love what you've done with the place.


I'll be back once I have anything useful to say or my Photobucket account is unlocked again.

*wave*

Oh no! Your photobucket account got locked! That's like taking a fish out of water!

Looks like these are really dark times.

On a sidenote: hello (again) to all you old and new inhabitants of the IT threads.

Bandwidth will be reset tomorrow!

Attention lex0r11

You have exceeded the 10 GB monthly bandwidth limit on your free
Photobucket account... will be reactivated on the 20th of the month.

[estebanus]

Awfully quiet in here...

[blooregard]

As I've been replaying the ME series over again I haven't been here much as you may have noticed.

While eating my lunch though I thought of something. Javik questions why the warnings weren't taken seriously (or something along those lines) but then I realized that they were. The council believed the Reapers to be a threat, and the human councilor (Anderson anyway) says they'll "drive the Reapers back into dark space" so by the end of ME1 the Reapers are rearded as serious business skip to ME2.

Collectors attack Normandy, Shepard dies, and Anderson looses political power (again idk if the same thing happens with Udina). The Council responds to this by "dismissing" the claim of Reapers as a big Geth ship and the alliance does a similar thing to all the things Shepard said. Two years later Shepard is back with a very hated, mistrusted, and rightfully labeled terrorist organization to fight the Collectors/Reapers. You can go to the council and they don't trust you, Anderson doesn't trust you, the VS doesn't trust you, the human councilor has the VS spying on you (unsure if Udina does the same thing), and Hackett doesn't trust you until Arrival (or if you want to count the Normandy crash site a show of good faith) Everything said about the Reapers is thrown away like it never happened.

Now if TIM really has been indoctrinated since the first contact war that would mean that the whole Collector/Cerberus thing that happened after Shepard died was some kind of crazy act thought up by Harbinger (think the South Park episode that covered the 08 elections where Obama and McCain were actually thieves trying to steal the hope diamond so no matter which one won the election they'd still have a shot at the diamond).

I'm probably just rambling but I thought it was interesting. The proper amount of speculations will be enough to appease the great and powerful Mac Walters.

Modifié par blooregard, 19 mai 2012 - 04:42 .

[Big Bad]

schneeland wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Hey guys, long time no see.
Just checking the new thread, love what you've done with the place.


I'll be back once I have anything useful to say or my Photobucket account is unlocked again.

*wave*

Oh no! Your photobucket account got locked! That's like taking a fish out of water!

Looks like these are really dark times.

On a sidenote: hello (again) to all you old and new inhabitants of the IT threads.

Wow, haven't seen you for a while!  Welcome back!:happy:

[RavenEyry]

Hackett does trust Shep earlier throughout the game. The shadow brokers files have a letter from someone giving details reasons why Shep should be apprehended and Hackett denies it.

Otherwise, I think both human councillors believe Shep but can't do anything about it because the rest of the council is in denial.

[paxxton]

Big Bad wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Hey guys, long time no see.
Just checking the new thread, love what you've done with the place.


I'll be back once I have anything useful to say or my Photobucket account is unlocked again.

*wave*

Oh no! Your photobucket account got locked! That's like taking a fish out of water!

Looks like these are really dark times.

On a sidenote: hello (again) to all you old and new inhabitants of the IT threads.

Wow, haven't seen you for a while!  Welcome back!:happy:

Hi there!
Wow! You've exceeded a 10GB limit with pictures? How did you manage that?
Change formats and use stronger compression.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 mai 2012 - 04:55 .

[Big Bad]

paxxton wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

schneeland wrote...

Jade8aby88 wrote...

lex0r11 wrote...

Hey guys, long time no see.
Just checking the new thread, love what you've done with the place.


I'll be back once I have anything useful to say or my Photobucket account is unlocked again.

*wave*

Oh no! Your photobucket account got locked! That's like taking a fish out of water!

Looks like these are really dark times.

On a sidenote: hello (again) to all you old and new inhabitants of the IT threads.

Wow, haven't seen you for a while!  Welcome back!:happy:

Hi there!
Wow! You've exceeded a 10GB limit with pictures? How did you manage that?

I'm pretty sure it was all those blue babies.

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...

Hi there!
Wow! You've exceeded a 10GB limit with pictures? How did you manage that?

He likes photographing interesting doorknobs.

[OH-UP-THIS!]

Here's an "out there" thought about the Reapers.

Sovereign stated(paraphrase) We have no beginning, we have no end, We simply, 'are'.

They are,"TIME"! The Insidious Machines Eternal.

[paxxton]

Look! This is Harbinger after Control is chosen.


EDIT: No quotes? This supposed to be funny hilarious.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 mai 2012 - 05:33 .

[T41rdEye]

I question the "reality" of everything past the room on the Cerb Base with the Human proto-Reaper. TIM set Shep up for indoctrination, and hes going to be PISSED and glare at you with THOSE EYES unless you picked Control.

Or not.

Kai Lengs still dead though. FOR SURE.

[schneeland]

Big Bad wrote...

[...]
Wow, haven't seen you for a while!  Welcome back!:happy:

Thanks!
Things got a bit messy here as I started doing too many things at once, but the worst should be over (at least for a while). I just wish, they would offer an Android app or a mobile version of the community. Even with an HD screen, BSN ist too much fun on a smartphone.

[prettz]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

prettz wrote...

so I got the Predator to show up on my side.
~~~~

this happens when you load a savegame that is created when firing at the conduit.

yeah, I think someone said something about that earlier but wanted to get pic up to show proof. the intrusting thing is when the Carnifex changes to the predator the gun on the side vanishes. I'll get a vid up of it soon.

[estebanus]

paxxton wrote...

Look! This is Harbinger after Control is chosen.


EDIT: No quotes? This supposed to be funny hilarious.

How about: "This video can not be shown in your country?"

[D.Sharrah]

D.Sharrah wrote...

SC's circular logic...as many have pointed out there are obvious flaws in this logic, and whether or not it gives credence to IT is a different question. What I find most broken about the circular argument is that SC seems to fail to see that the Reapers are as much a part of the problem as they are the "solution". I have mentioned this before on other threads, but given the context of IT and it could be "all a dream". I think that it is relevant to the discussion that there are "clues" that point to the possibility of IT.

To expand...one of the very first things that SC says in arguing his logic is, "The created will always rebel against their creators." And he goes on to say, "Organics will always create synthetics that will be a threat to wipe out all organic life". Now here is where things can get interesting...if we go back in the lore of the game, we are told by several sources that the Reapers created and left behind technology to assist organics to develop down a certain path. If we take this for face value, does it mean that the Reapers (in a way) are our creators? And if they are "creators", then isn't safe to assume (by the SC's logic) that the Reapers are in fact the root of the problem?

To expand further...If the Reapers truly leave behind tech that is intended to guide organics down a certain path (again a fact confirmed by Sovereign, Vigil, and Legion at the very least), then is it safe to assume that all of our technological achievements would advance from that single path? Is the reason that organics are doomed to create synthetics that will wipe out organic life, is because the technology that is left by the Reapers deems that is exactly the path that they should follow?

And to make matters more convoluted, doesn't Legion state in ME 2 that the reason that the true Geth (not the Heretics) oppose the "old machines" is because the "old machines" see the Geth as tech that is outside of this path? Or in other words if the questions asked above are all true and that the synthetic tech that will wipe out orgainc life is of Reaper origin, and the Geth are not of Reaper origin - then the SC's logic would not apply to them?

Any thoughts on this?

[MegumiAzusa]

prettz wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

prettz wrote...

so I got the Predator to show up on my side.
~~~~

this happens when you load a savegame that is created when firing at the conduit.

yeah, I think someone said something about that earlier but wanted to get pic up to show proof. the intrusting thing is when the Carnifex changes to the predator the gun on the side vanishes. I'll get a vid up of it soon.

I did, it actually was in the first pictures made on that topic

[RavenEyry]

D.Sharrah wrote...

Any thoughts on this?

:blink:If the reapers are our creators, doesn't that mean Mr. Sparkle has just told us we logically should kill them?

[DJBare]

It occurred to me the biggest clue was handed to us on a silver platter not long after the games release, remember the first complaints "None of our choices mattered"; think about it.

[D.Sharrah]

RavenEyry wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

Any thoughts on this?

:blink:If the reapers are our creators, doesn't that mean Mr. Sparkle has just told us we logically should kill them?

That is a part of what I am getting at...also that the Reapers are the actual cause of the cycle by "forcing" everything down their technological path...

Edit:  Also, changes the tone of his logic completely...if they are the creators that are fighting for their continued existence (as he claims organics are, or in other words the opposite of his actual words) - then it brings usback to EDI's comments that the Reapers only exist for self preservation and how she wants to change to not be like that!

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 19 mai 2012 - 06:09 .

[estebanus]

DJBare wrote...

It occurred to me the biggest clue was handed to us on a silver platter not long after the games release, remember the first complaints "None of our choices mattered"; think about it.

I don't know what you mean.

[schneeland]

estebanus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Look! This is Harbinger after Control is chosen.


EDIT: No quotes? This supposed to be funny hilarious.

How about: "This video can not be shown in your country?"

ProxTube is your friend. Although you can question where this video is a good motivation for the installation.

[DJBare]

estebanus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

It occurred to me the biggest clue was handed to us on a silver platter not long after the games release, remember the first complaints "None of our choices mattered"; think about it.

I don't know what you mean.

Then I'll give you a little more time to "think" it over.

[Fingertrip]

estebanus wrote...

DJBare wrote...

It occurred to me the biggest clue was handed to us on a silver platter not long after the games release, remember the first complaints "None of our choices mattered"; think about it.

I don't know what you mean.

Neither do I.