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Fingertrip wrote...
estebanus wrote...
DJBare wrote...
It occurred to me the biggest clue was handed to us on a silver platter not long after the games release, remember the first complaints "None of our choices mattered"; think about it.
I don't know what you mean.
Neither do I.
DJBare wrote...
It occurred to me the biggest clue was handed to us on a silver platter not long after the games release, remember the first complaints "None of our choices mattered"; think about it.
If you are a Mass Effect fan and have input for the team – we respect your opinion and want to hear it. We’re committed to address your constructive feedback as best we can. In return, I’d ask that you help us do that by supporting what I truly believe is the best game BioWare has yet crafted.I urge you to do your own research: play the game, finish it and tell us what you think. Tell your friends if you feel it’s a good game as a whole. Trust that we are doing our damndest, as always, to address your feedback. As artists, we care about our fans deeply and we appreciate your support.
Modifié par MaximizedAction, 19 mai 2012 - 06:44 .
DJBare wrote...
Then I'll give you a little more time to "think" it over.estebanus wrote...
DJBare wrote...
It occurred to me the biggest clue was handed to us on a silver platter not long after the games release, remember the first complaints "None of our choices mattered"; think about it.
I don't know what you mean.
If I.T is true, then the fans complaints about how "choices do not matter" is correct, as far as I.T is concerned, the choices are nothing but an illusion, so they won't matter.estebanus wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Then I'll give you a little more time to "think" it over.estebanus wrote...
DJBare wrote...
It occurred to me the biggest clue was handed to us on a silver platter not long after the games release, remember the first complaints "None of our choices mattered"; think about it.
I don't know what you mean.
Oh, come on! I already solved your puzzle when you said we had to listen to the power conduits right before meeting the illusive man! Can't you at least give me a little hint?
The whole game is the ending. All character arcs get closure, the genophage cured if you want to, the quarian geth conflict ends one way or another.DJBare wrote...
If I.T is true, then the fans complaints about how "choices do not matter" is correct, as far as I.T is concerned, the choices are nothing but an illusion, so they won't matter.estebanus wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Then I'll give you a little more time to "think" it over.estebanus wrote...
DJBare wrote...
It occurred to me the biggest clue was handed to us on a silver platter not long after the games release, remember the first complaints "None of our choices mattered"; think about it.
I don't know what you mean.
Oh, come on! I already solved your puzzle when you said we had to listen to the power conduits right before meeting the illusive man! Can't you at least give me a little hint?
DJBare wrote...
If I.T is true, thenestebanus wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Then I'll give you a little more time to "think" it over.estebanus wrote...
DJBare wrote...
It
occurred to me the biggest clue was handed to us on a silver platter
not long after the games release, remember the first complaints "None of
our choices mattered"; think about it.
I don't know what you mean.
Oh,
come on! I already solved your puzzle when you said we had to listen to
the power conduits right before meeting the illusive man! Can't you at
least give me a little hint?
the fans complaints about how "choices do not matter" is correct, as far
as I.T is concerned, the choices are nothing but an illusion, so they
won't matter.
MegumiAzusa wrote...
The whole game is the ending. All character arcs get closure, the genophage cured if you want to, the quarian geth conflict ends one way or another.
This is what people don't get and confirmed by BW employees.
Accept that we do not have the whole game literally speaking, there are other story arcs to this game in the form of DLC, taking back Omega for example, anyone who did not get "From ashes" did not have the full game, they admit in the Final hours app it was pulled from the main game, TIM was supposed to kidnap Javik on Thessia to obtain the information he wanted.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The whole game is the ending. All character arcs get closure, the genophage cured if you want to, the quarian geth conflict ends one way or another.
This is what people don't get and confirmed by BW employees.
DJBare wrote...
Accept that we do not have the whole game literally speaking, there are other story arcs to this game in the form of DLC, taking back Omega for example, anyone who did not get "From ashes" did not have the full game, they admit in the Final hours app it was pulled from the main game, TIM was supposed to kidnap Javik on Thessia to obtain the information he wanted.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The whole game is the ending. All character arcs get closure, the genophage cured if you want to, the quarian geth conflict ends one way or another.
This is what people don't get and confirmed by BW employees.
Whether we like it or not, we did not get the "whole" game.
Modifié par MaximizedAction, 19 mai 2012 - 07:08 .
Take Javik to Thessia the next time you play, you can tell he was well intergrated into the main game, he has some interesting things to tell Liara about her godesses.MaximizedAction wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Accept that we do not have the whole game literally speaking, there are other story arcs to this game in the form of DLC, taking back Omega for example, anyone who did not get "From ashes" did not have the full game, they admit in the Final hours app it was pulled from the main game, TIM was supposed to kidnap Javik on Thessia to obtain the information he wanted.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The whole game is the ending. All character arcs get closure, the genophage cured if you want to, the quarian geth conflict ends one way or another.
This is what people don't get and confirmed by BW employees.
Whether we like it or not, we did not get the "whole" game.
That was my initial thought when I re-read all interviews with Bioware after having finished the game. Didn't consider it as a serious possibility, though.
Translation: "Your current location spoiled the joke for you."estebanus wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Look! This is Harbinger after Control is chosen.
EDIT: No quotes? This supposed to befunnyhilarious.
How about: "This video can not be shown in your country?"
Modifié par paxxton, 19 mai 2012 - 07:27 .
They cut Javik in the main game because he didn't fit the rest of the game, so what? They used the VI in his place. I can't see why this makes the game incomplete.MaximizedAction wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Accept that we do not have the whole game literally speaking, there are other story arcs to this game in the form of DLC, taking back Omega for example, anyone who did not get "From ashes" did not have the full game, they admit in the Final hours app it was pulled from the main game, TIM was supposed to kidnap Javik on Thessia to obtain the information he wanted.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The whole game is the ending. All character arcs get closure, the genophage cured if you want to, the quarian geth conflict ends one way or another.
This is what people don't get and confirmed by BW employees.
Whether we like it or not, we did not get the "whole" game.
That was my initial thought when I re-read all interviews with Bioware after having finished the game. Didn't consider it as a serious possibility, though.
Well to be fair, originally Javik was going to be the catalyst, so he had a pretty substantial plot-point...MegumiAzusa wrote...
They cut Javik in the main game because he didn't fit the rest of the game, so what? They used the VI in his place. I can't see why this makes the game incomplete.MaximizedAction wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Accept that we do not have the whole game literally speaking, there are other story arcs to this game in the form of DLC, taking back Omega for example, anyone who did not get "From ashes" did not have the full game, they admit in the Final hours app it was pulled from the main game, TIM was supposed to kidnap Javik on Thessia to obtain the information he wanted.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The whole game is the ending. All character arcs get closure, the genophage cured if you want to, the quarian geth conflict ends one way or another.
This is what people don't get and confirmed by BW employees.
Whether we like it or not, we did not get the "whole" game.
That was my initial thought when I re-read all interviews with Bioware after having finished the game. Didn't consider it as a serious possibility, though.
Also even if IT is true, the decisions you did until the point you start to loose touch with reality give closure so they do matter. They said not every end is a good ending. Yes, vaporizing everyone on Earth or having Shep indoctrinated is certainly not a good ending, but what leads to these endings are your choices. If your choices wouldn't matter there would be only one outcome. If it's your choice to skip ftl to the ending and loose it's still your choice.
Apparently, BioWare decided that the Prothean VI is kidnapped on Thessia instead of Javik.DJBare wrote...
Take Javik to Thessia the next time you play, you can tell he was well intergrated into the main game, he has some interesting things to tell Liara about her godesses.MaximizedAction wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Accept that we do not have the whole game literally speaking, there are other story arcs to this game in the form of DLC, taking back Omega for example, anyone who did not get "From ashes" did not have the full game, they admit in the Final hours app it was pulled from the main game, TIM was supposed to kidnap Javik on Thessia to obtain the information he wanted.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The whole game is the ending. All character arcs get closure, the genophage cured if you want to, the quarian geth conflict ends one way or another.
This is what people don't get and confirmed by BW employees.
Whether we like it or not, we did not get the "whole" game.
That was my initial thought when I re-read all interviews with Bioware after having finished the game. Didn't consider it as a serious possibility, though.
Modifié par paxxton, 19 mai 2012 - 07:25 .
He still didn't fit well into the other parts of the game. It doesn't matter what he was.TSA_383 wrote...
Well to be fair, originally Javik was going to be the catalyst, so he had a pretty substantial plot-point...MegumiAzusa wrote...
They cut Javik in the main game because he didn't fit the rest of the game, so what? They used the VI in his place. I can't see why this makes the game incomplete.MaximizedAction wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Accept that we do not have the whole game literally speaking, there are other story arcs to this game in the form of DLC, taking back Omega for example, anyone who did not get "From ashes" did not have the full game, they admit in the Final hours app it was pulled from the main game, TIM was supposed to kidnap Javik on Thessia to obtain the information he wanted.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The whole game is the ending. All character arcs get closure, the genophage cured if you want to, the quarian geth conflict ends one way or another.
This is what people don't get and confirmed by BW employees.
Whether we like it or not, we did not get the "whole" game.
That was my initial thought when I re-read all interviews with Bioware after having finished the game. Didn't consider it as a serious possibility, though.
Also even if IT is true, the decisions you did until the point you start to loose touch with reality give closure so they do matter. They said not every end is a good ending. Yes, vaporizing everyone on Earth or having Shep indoctrinated is certainly not a good ending, but what leads to these endings are your choices. If your choices wouldn't matter there would be only one outcome. If it's your choice to skip ftl to the ending and loose it's still your choice.
paxxton wrote...
Apparently, BioWare decided that the Prothean VI is kidnapped on Thessia instead of Javik.
Javik is not as essential to the main storyline as some think. His remarks are interesting, even amusing, but he still just talks about analogies in his cycle. His remarks on Asari beliefs are nothing more than clarifications.
MegumiAzusa wrote...
MaximizedAction wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Accept that we do not have the whole game literally speaking, there are other story arcs to this game in the form of DLC, taking back Omega for example, anyone who did not get "From ashes" did not have the full game, they admit in the Final hours app it was pulled from the main game, TIM was supposed to kidnap Javik on Thessia to obtain the information he wanted.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The whole game is the ending. All character arcs get closure, the genophage cured if you want to, the quarian geth conflict ends one way or another.
This is what people don't get and confirmed by BW employees.
Whether we like it or not, we did not get the "whole" game.
That was my initial thought when I re-read all interviews with Bioware after having finished the game. Didn't consider it as a serious possibility, though.
They cut Javik in the main game because he didn't fit the rest of the game, so what? They used the VI in his place. I can't see why this makes the game incomplete.
Also even if IT is true, the decisions you did until the point you start to loose touch with reality give closure so they do matter. They said not every end is a good ending. Yes, vaporizing everyone on Earth or having Shep indoctrinated is certainly not a good ending, but what leads to these endings are your choices. If your choices wouldn't matter there would be only one outcome. If it's your choice to skip ftl to the ending and loose it's still your choice.
All official content is canon. I don't understand why people keep on insisting otherwise.HellishFiend wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Apparently, BioWare decided that the Prothean VI is kidnapped on Thessia instead of Javik.
Javik is not as essential to the main storyline as some think. His remarks are interesting, even amusing, but he still just talks about analogies in his cycle. His remarks on Asari beliefs are nothing more than clarifications.
It would be nice if we had some way of knowing whether or not Bioware intended for Javik to be canon, similar to how Arrival was confirmed as canon through the new comic. I'm doubtful as to whether or not we'll ever get that, though.
Still, did any of us ever come up with anything Javik-related as evidence for IT? I cant recall anything.
Modifié par paxxton, 19 mai 2012 - 07:34 .
paxxton wrote...
All official content is canon. I don't understand why people keep on insisting otherwise.
I'm not sure you got my point, sure choices regarding the genophage and the quarian/geth conflict do matter, but it's the ending where choices no longer matter if I.T is true, there might be only one consequence, whether Shepard lives or dies, if Shepard's will is strong then s/he survives her injuries, if not then s/he dies in the rubble on earth, that's the point I'm making, everything after London is purely inside Shepard's own mind, so any choice only matters in regard to Shepard's will to live, but no affect on the real world, in other words, the reapers are still reaping no matter which choice Shepard makes.MegumiAzusa wrote...
They cut Javik in the main game because he didn't fit the rest of the game, so what? They used the VI in his place. I can't see why this makes the game incomplete.MaximizedAction wrote...
DJBare wrote...
Accept that we do not have the whole game literally speaking, there are other story arcs to this game in the form of DLC, taking back Omega for example, anyone who did not get "From ashes" did not have the full game, they admit in the Final hours app it was pulled from the main game, TIM was supposed to kidnap Javik on Thessia to obtain the information he wanted.MegumiAzusa wrote...
The whole game is the ending. All character arcs get closure, the genophage cured if you want to, the quarian geth conflict ends one way or another.
This is what people don't get and confirmed by BW employees.
Whether we like it or not, we did not get the "whole" game.
That was my initial thought when I re-read all interviews with Bioware after having finished the game. Didn't consider it as a serious possibility, though.
Also even if IT is true, the decisions you did until the point you start to loose touch with reality give closure so they do matter. They said not every end is a good ending. Yes, vaporizing everyone on Earth or having Shep indoctrinated is certainly not a good ending, but what leads to these endings are your choices. If your choices wouldn't matter there would be only one outcome. If it's your choice to skip ftl to the ending and loose it's still your choice.
I didn't hear that either. But I've read it.HellishFiend wrote...
paxxton wrote...
All official content is canon. I don't understand why people keep on insisting otherwise.
I'm not insisting otherwise, I've just never heard that, actually.
Modifié par paxxton, 19 mai 2012 - 07:38 .
HellishFiend wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Apparently, BioWare decided that the Prothean VI is kidnapped on Thessia instead of Javik.
Javik is not as essential to the main storyline as some think. His remarks are interesting, even amusing, but he still just talks about analogies in his cycle. His remarks on Asari beliefs are nothing more than clarifications.
It would be nice if we had some way of knowing whether or not Bioware intended for Javik to be canon, similar to how Arrival was confirmed as canon through the new comic. I'm doubtful as to whether or not we'll ever get that, though.
Still, did any of us ever come up with anything Javik-related as evidence for IT? I cant recall anything.
MaximizedAction wrote...
And, indeed, after a more in depth analysis of the game, your end choices do matter, there are more than just one ending, even more than 3 endings. But that is only after you start looking very sharply into the details. It's not something you notice right away, it's not intuitive. It's not like in ME2 where you DO notice when a character died. You DO notice that you rescued your crew from the Collectors. You also know, when you sacrificed the council in ME1.
All these endings are clearly different and don't need very much indepth analysis to tell them apart.
This is not the case with ME3. And the motivation for me to doubt the completeness of the game, are the interviews because for some reason, Casey, Mac, Mike, etc. chose words that on a first look just seem to contradict what I experienced in my endings.
Why would Casey say that it's more than just A, B, C endings, when at first sight it is? It only makes sense, if you take that as a hint to look more closely into the endings. And that some did.
And while doing so, funny things like the Indoctrination Theory popped up, and once you've seen it, it cannot be unseen.
DJBare wrote...
If I.T is true, then the fans complaints about how "choices do not matter" is correct, as far as I.T is concerned, the choices are nothing but an illusion, so they won't matter.
Modifié par Bill Casey, 19 mai 2012 - 07:38 .
See my latest post above.Bill Casey wrote...
DJBare wrote...
If I.T is true, then the fans complaints about how "choices do not matter" is correct, as far as I.T is concerned, the choices are nothing but an illusion, so they won't matter.
I can't think or a choice mattering more if IT is true...
It's whether or not Shepard gives into the Reapers...
How is that not mattering?
That's the biggest consequence in the game...
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