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[FellishBeast]

Dwailing wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I'm really getting sick of this theorizing.....and I can't except the non-IT version....this is really driving me nuts.....how am I supposed to find closure this way???

Trust me, I know EXACTLY how you feel.  Come on BW, just tell us one way or the other!  Please.

I think they did. The endings basically spat in IT's face, and if you still believe it I think you have to be in denial. Keep searching, though. I'm interested.

I'm interested to find out what the files hold, once the PC users start digging around. But I won't hold my breath.

[FellishBeast]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I'm really getting sick of this theorizing.....and I can't except the non-IT version....this is really driving me nuts.....how am I supposed to find closure this way???

Trust me, I know EXACTLY how you feel.  Come on BW, just tell us one way or the other!  Please.

Seriously....it's like watching an action movie for hours and hours and hours....and it builds up to this huge climax....and then "fade out" Please make up your own ending.

seriously....I can't take that.....

lol you would hate No Country For Old Men.

Modifié par FellishBeast, 27 juin 2012 - 01:22 .

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Lat2oo5 wrote...

plfranke wrote...

I just finished playing and I've done all the endings with high ems. I'll admit I have not seen every single thing in the extended cut, but it feels like there is not that much. The entire team was working on this for 3 months. There was no combat. There were a lot of shared cutscenes. I feel that they may have been working on other things.

And you are right.
http://social.biowar...ndex/12777408/1

And on that note if it does become an assent then well maybe nobody has to die well maybe one major character or depending on your choices then all.

[dreamgazer]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I'm really getting sick of this theorizing.....and I can't except the non-IT version....this is really driving me nuts.....how am I supposed to find closure this way???

Eh, let it rest.  It serves as a fine interpretation.

And just keep in mind that if more comes in the future, then it'll be an unexpected surprise.

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byne wrote...

RaenImrahl wrote...

Hey folks... fyi... we're seeing a lot of reports from this thread in the moderation tools. Unfortunately, the "Report this post" function actually just reports the entire thread... all 1200+ pages. So if you *DO* need to report something, please use the "Link" function, which will generate a new URL address in your address bar (with a #xxxxxxxxxxxx number indicating the thread). Copy and paste that into the memo field of the report.

Having said that, if you feel someone is just here to gloat (I've seen that word a lot today), I encourage you to ignore them.

How misleading! You crafty BioWare devils!

what do you mean by that byne.

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Xadus92 wrote...

Reposting from the thread I made that got buried so fast:

I noticed something odd and this for the EC obviously.


So, the "new" scene shows Shepard getting forcefully ejected out of the beam teleporter thing onto the ground and he's just laying there. Then when Anderson says Commander or Shepard or whatever he says, Shepard wakes up, and his eyes open. Did anyone else hear some weird sound when he opened his eyes? It sounded kind of Reaper-like? I'm not entirely sure how to describe it, but it was definitley weird and something that I haven't seen mentioned yet.


Personally, I thought IT at first, but then the rest of the ending played out and...yeah we all know how it goes.

Ya I did which was weird but need more info on that.

[Lord Luc1fer]

In my opinoin, IT has now become a bit more of a cult than a totally legit explanation, and that's just fine. I always told myself to believe in IT until the extended cut debunked it, and while it didn't do this, I feel now that the ending was more than good enough stop me seeking ways to think the ending was better than it appeared. I lvoe the new endings and I have a lot of respect still for the IT and the effort that went into also.

[v0rt3x22]

dreamgazer wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I'm really getting sick of this theorizing.....and I can't except the non-IT version....this is really driving me nuts.....how am I supposed to find closure this way???

Eh, let it rest.  It serves as a fine interpretation.

And just keep in mind that if more comes in the future, then it'll be an unexpected surprise.

thanks those were some very kind words - and I think I'll do just that. I haven't touched ME3 and these forums for 3 months - and just picked it up recently again when I caught wind of EC.

I was on this board for 4 days straight - even at work - getting caught up again in IT - and everything related to ME....

I think I'm just exhausted again.. Perhaps I'll take a break until the next announcement - and as you said, with a little luck - it'll be a pleasant surprise.

[OdanUrr]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I'm really getting sick of this theorizing.....and I can't except the non-IT version....this is really driving me nuts.....how am I supposed to find closure this way???

Embrace eternity?

[munnellyladt]

Big_Boss9 wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Why does the kid walk out angrily when you chose reject(which i did by accident because i shot him........worth it!and had to start the mission again to pick destroy)
You think he would just say "fine the cycle will continue" or something like that.
And i still dont think IT is dead.
Also Think about indoctrination.It "persuades" you kind of agree or understand why the reapers do what they do.
Shep even does this,if you ask about how this is solving the problem he says "does a fire create chaos when it burns,it does what it was created to do"and shep seems to turn away and "understand" why they do what they do.

He's angry because he admits that his solution is no longer viable, the Crucible presents new options, but he can't enact  them, you have to. If you refuse to do anything, his (now) imperfect solution will have to continue. The frustration on his part is understandable.

Well why should he care how the job gets done?

[waldstr18]

disagree with everything the child says, and you get the best ending ive seen so far.

but i still have the green one left, so maybe that one will blow my mind!

[fr33stylez]

Dwailing wrote...

 Well, I'm back and ready to speculate.  Also, I rejected Star-Brat.  I'll go back and choose the others at some point, but right now, I want to share my thoughts.  For one thing, when Shepard wakes up on the Citadel, you hear this weird noise.  I don't know what it is exactly, but I know this, something is screwy.  Also, when you come up, you see a Keeper examining a helmet that looks suspiciously like Shepard's.  

Next, also when Shepard comes onto the Citadel, he walks past a corpse.  A corpse that looks suspiciously like Ashley.  And the camera even focuses on it.  Now, when you get to Anderson, it looks, to both myself and MegumiAzusa, who I had the pleasure of walking through the EC with, like Shepard is much more confused at Anderson's presence than he did before.

Now, once you get to Star-Brat, if you choose to say that you won't use the Crucible when he tells you about Destroy, his voice starts to echo.  A LOT.  And for a second,  I thought Shepard was about to wake up from a dream.  Now, the last point that I think is worth bringing up.  If you DO reject Star-Brat, his voice sounds EXACTLY like a Reaper's.  His name doesn't change, but his voice does.  A LOT.  

So, if you ask me, I think IT is stronger than ever.  We actually have MUCH more solid evidence than we did originally (Not to say that we DIDN'T have solid evidence to begin with, I'm just saying that what's around is MUCH harder to mistake for bugs/glitches/bad writing/Bioware laziness.), and I fully believe that there is more to come, quite probably at the SDCC.

Edit: I just had a thought.  Reject seems to be the ending most like the old endings.  No real epilogue, rather unsatisfying, etc.  To me, that indicates that it's probably the one they're going to expand into IT if they DO go with IT.  And since I still believe that some form of IT was intended all along... yeah.

This is embarrassing.

[waldstr18]

fr33stylez wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 Well, I'm back and ready to speculate.  Also, I rejected Star-Brat.  I'll go back and choose the others at some point, but right now, I want to share my thoughts.  For one thing, when Shepard wakes up on the Citadel, you hear this weird noise.  I don't know what it is exactly, but I know this, something is screwy.  Also, when you come up, you see a Keeper examining a helmet that looks suspiciously like Shepard's.  

Next, also when Shepard comes onto the Citadel, he walks past a corpse.  A corpse that looks suspiciously like Ashley.  And the camera even focuses on it.  Now, when you get to Anderson, it looks, to both myself and MegumiAzusa, who I had the pleasure of walking through the EC with, like Shepard is much more confused at Anderson's presence than he did before.

Now, once you get to Star-Brat, if you choose to say that you won't use the Crucible when he tells you about Destroy, his voice starts to echo.  A LOT.  And for a second,  I thought Shepard was about to wake up from a dream.  Now, the last point that I think is worth bringing up.  If you DO reject Star-Brat, his voice sounds EXACTLY like a Reaper's.  His name doesn't change, but his voice does.  A LOT.  

So, if you ask me, I think IT is stronger than ever.  We actually have MUCH more solid evidence than we did originally (Not to say that we DIDN'T have solid evidence to begin with, I'm just saying that what's around is MUCH harder to mistake for bugs/glitches/bad writing/Bioware laziness.), and I fully believe that there is more to come, quite probably at the SDCC.

Edit: I just had a thought.  Reject seems to be the ending most like the old endings.  No real epilogue, rather unsatisfying, etc.  To me, that indicates that it's probably the one they're going to expand into IT if they DO go with IT.  And since I still believe that some form of IT was intended all along... yeah.

This is embarrassing.

i second that.

[RealStyli]

For me, IT isn't disproven but the literal endings I can actually live with now. I always interpretted IT as a mix of reality and dream so nothing has changed now except I can be less adamant that it's the only possibility and I'm more agnostic about IT. As for people saying the reject choice suggests that IT is wrong, I don't believe that. The Child's voice aside, the choice could simply mean that Shep dies rather than escaping or succumbing to Indoctrination.

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FellishBeast wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 Well, I'm back and ready to speculate.  Also, I rejected Star-Brat.  I'll go back and choose the others at some point, but right now, I want to share my thoughts.  For one thing, when Shepard wakes up on the Citadel, you hear this weird noise.  I don't know what it is exactly, but I know this, something is screwy.  Also, when you come up, you see a Keeper examining a helmet that looks suspiciously like Shepard's.  

Next, also when Shepard comes onto the Citadel, he walks past a corpse.  A corpse that looks suspiciously like Ashley.  And the camera even focuses on it.  Now, when you get to Anderson, it looks, to both myself and MegumiAzusa, who I had the pleasure of walking through the EC with, like Shepard is much more confused at Anderson's presence than he did before.

Now, once you get to Star-Brat, if you choose to say that you won't use the Crucible when he tells you about Destroy, his voice starts to echo.  A LOT.  And for a second,  I thought Shepard was about to wake up from a dream.  Now, the last point that I think is worth bringing up.  If you DO reject Star-Brat, his voice sounds EXACTLY like a Reaper's.  His name doesn't change, but his voice does.  A LOT.  

So, if you ask me, I think IT is stronger than ever.  We actually have MUCH more solid evidence than we did originally (Not to say that we DIDN'T have solid evidence to begin with, I'm just saying that what's around is MUCH harder to mistake for bugs/glitches/bad writing/Bioware laziness.), and I fully believe that there is more to come, quite probably at the SDCC.

Are you serious? We got a weird noise and a cool voice and you think IT is stronger than ever?? They explained away many of IT's main points. Why would they put 3 months of effort into explaining the plot holes and making it seem less like a dream if it IS a dream?

BioWare has also confirmed that there will be no more new DLC regarding the ending or anything after the ending. Thought they have lied countless times before so take that how you will...

Ya but any DLC that they make will have to tie down to the end because it's the end not "Oh let me do this quest that has nothing to do of saving the galaxy okay."

ya I dout that would happen.

[v0rt3x22]

I think IT has taken form of some sort of religion to some people - which is exactly why BioWare won't take a stance on it. You cannot proof or disprove religion. People are free to believe what they want to believe.

[Big_Boss9]

munnellyladt wrote...

Big_Boss9 wrote...

munnellyladt wrote...

Why does the kid walk out angrily when you chose reject(which i did by accident because i shot him........worth it!and had to start the mission again to pick destroy)
You think he would just say "fine the cycle will continue" or something like that.
And i still dont think IT is dead.
Also Think about indoctrination.It "persuades" you kind of agree or understand why the reapers do what they do.
Shep even does this,if you ask about how this is solving the problem he says "does a fire create chaos when it burns,it does what it was created to do"and shep seems to turn away and "understand" why they do what they do.

He's angry because he admits that his solution is no longer viable, the Crucible presents new options, but he can't enact  them, you have to. If you refuse to do anything, his (now) imperfect solution will have to continue. The frustration on his part is understandable.

Well why should he care how the job gets done?

As I said, it now realizes that its solution no longer works and if you refuse to choose one of the three "new" options that the Crucible makes possible, it has no choice but to continue a cycle that it now considers imperfect. It, too, appears to be bound to the cycle.

[senshi420]

so is it verified that there are alternate permutations of the endings based on ems or alignment in the EC?
all ive seen is the base 4. (destroy, reject, control, space magic)

ive got plans to run a renegade shep through, but she's still in me2, so it'll be a while.

i had a paragon with high ems.

Modifié par senshi420, 27 juin 2012 - 01:40 .

[EpyonX3]

[Big_Boss9]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I think IT has taken form of some sort of religion to some people - which is exactly why BioWare won't take a stance on it. You cannot proof or disprove religion. People are free to believe what they want to believe.

Not to mention that they don't want to insult a portion of their fanbase for coming up with, whether you agree with it or not, a creative interpretation of the story. There've been many examples of creators of tv shows and movies not shooting down certain interpretations of their product, as it were, for the same reason. No need to stifle ingenuity and such.

[Dwailing]

RealStyli wrote...

For me, IT isn't disproven but the literal endings I can actually live with now. I always interpretted IT as a mix of reality and dream so nothing has changed now except I can be less adamant that it's the only possibility and I'm more agnostic about IT. As for people saying the reject choice suggests that IT is wrong, I don't believe that. The Child's voice aside, the choice could simply mean that Shep dies rather than escaping or succumbing to Indoctrination.

However, there's literally NO reason to reject the Reapers without IT.  The way they made it, there's no reason for Rejection to be an option without IT.  You just sacrifced the ENTIRE galaxy to make yourself feel better about not having to make a choice.  I don't like it, but if the endings ARE real, then Shepard just became the Galaxy's biggest COWARD.  And Shepard is NOT a coward.  The only reason to choose that ending is so that Shepard can break free of indoctrination, if it is present.

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FellishBeast wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

why change the voice?

To make IT theorists "jazz" their pants before being dumped. I know that's what happened to me...theoretically.

I should go.

You know you supported IT to so don't think to cut you off short with you help proving evidence.

[EpyonX3]

gpost wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

Jere85 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Just did the low EMS beam run. Not a nice thing to see, especially if you take your LI.

How'd she/he die?

She/he gets vaporized, while looking at Shepard. Pick Destroy and you essentially kill ... well, everyone.

Destroy LOW EMS is really a kick in the groin.

I must admit, the work put into EC feels more like it's the real deal epilogue, I'm losing alot of my faith in EC with this. The thing that only still intrigues me is the ending with Shepard in ruins ;|

Has anyone recorded videos of various low EMS endings?

Working on it!

[Space Kookie]

I don't think the extended cut disproves IT or spits in its theoretical face...the clues are still there:

1. Trees at the beam in London, that just randomly grew out of the ground within 10 seconds and happen to look JUST like in your dreams

2. The strange architecture of the citadel that totally looks like the Shadow Broker ship...seriously?

3. HUGE ****ING BLACK TENTACLES REACHING INTO YOUR VISION!!! I don't know about you but I don't have that...yet, I'm not indoctrinated. And all this nonsense, the conversaion between the Illusive Man and Anderson, how the **** would he get there. And...And...And.....

I refuse to believe that ANY of it was real, I WANT to believe in the IT because THE **** it gives me closure on what happened. I have a vivit imagination, I'll think of possible outcomes myself instead of letting Bioware do that job that they are most certainly NOT qualified to do.


Even if IT wasn't what they originally went for, having heard all the anger from the fans...why not officially include it and feed us some more obvious hints? -______- WHY BIOWARE WHY???? *smashes head on keyboard*

D,: God I'm angry

[waldstr18]

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

For me, IT isn't disproven but the literal endings I can actually live with now. I always interpretted IT as a mix of reality and dream so nothing has changed now except I can be less adamant that it's the only possibility and I'm more agnostic about IT. As for people saying the reject choice suggests that IT is wrong, I don't believe that. The Child's voice aside, the choice could simply mean that Shep dies rather than escaping or succumbing to Indoctrination.

However, there's literally NO reason to reject the Reapers without IT.  The way they made it, there's no reason for Rejection to be an option without IT.  You just sacrifced the ENTIRE galaxy to make yourself feel better about not having to make a choice.  I don't like it, but if the endings ARE real, then Shepard just became the Galaxy's biggest COWARD.  And Shepard is NOT a coward.  The only reason to choose that ending is so that Shepard can break free of indoctrination, if it is present.

but didnt you say bioware planned this all along? so why wasnt the reject choice in the non extended version?