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[OdanUrr]

Dwailing wrote...

However, there's literally NO reason to reject the Reapers without IT.  The way they made it, there's no reason for Rejection to be an option without IT.  You just sacrifced the ENTIRE galaxy to make yourself feel better about not having to make a choice.  I don't like it, but if the endings ARE real, then Shepard just became the Galaxy's biggest COWARD.  And Shepard is NOT a coward.  The only reason to choose that ending is so that Shepard can break free of indoctrination, if it is present.

Shepard might've felt he couldn't make such a choice. We all roleplay our Shepards differently.

[masster blaster]

Maybe all three choices are but who know but we can only speculate right know. The only people who know is Bioware.

[Dwailing]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I think IT has taken form of some sort of religion to some people - which is exactly why BioWare won't take a stance on it. You cannot proof or disprove religion. People are free to believe what they want to believe.

But IT is NOT a religion.  It was never MEANT to be a religion.  It was MEANT to be a scientific theory to explain what the FRAK was going on with the endings.

[PlumPaul93]

EpyonX3 wrote...

I must have a pervese mind for thinking what I thought when I saw this

[Dwailing]

OdanUrr wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

However, there's literally NO reason to reject the Reapers without IT.  The way they made it, there's no reason for Rejection to be an option without IT.  You just sacrifced the ENTIRE galaxy to make yourself feel better about not having to make a choice.  I don't like it, but if the endings ARE real, then Shepard just became the Galaxy's biggest COWARD.  And Shepard is NOT a coward.  The only reason to choose that ending is so that Shepard can break free of indoctrination, if it is present.

Shepard might've felt he couldn't make such a choice. We all roleplay our Shepards differently.

I understand the thinking behind that, I guess, but it still seems stupid to me.  Though if you thought it was better to sacrifice the whole galaxy for the moral high ground then be my guest.  And this is coming from a PARAGON for God's sake.

[Fingertrip]

I don't get the image, what's wrong about it?

Also, in Control, the final epilogue picture you'll get, showcase that the Crucible beam is gone, whereas in Destroy- its' still there. Why is it still active, shouldn't it be inactive after the destruction?

[alberto4395]

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

For me, IT isn't disproven but the literal endings I can actually live with now. I always interpretted IT as a mix of reality and dream so nothing has changed now except I can be less adamant that it's the only possibility and I'm more agnostic about IT. As for people saying the reject choice suggests that IT is wrong, I don't believe that. The Child's voice aside, the choice could simply mean that Shep dies rather than escaping or succumbing to Indoctrination.

However, there's literally NO reason to reject the Reapers without IT.  The way they made it, there's no reason for Rejection to be an option without IT.  You just sacrifced the ENTIRE galaxy to make yourself feel better about not having to make a choice.  I don't like it, but if the endings ARE real, then Shepard just became the Galaxy's biggest COWARD.  And Shepard is NOT a coward.  The only reason to choose that ending is so that Shepard can break free of indoctrination, if it is present.

Well other than IT a good reason to choose this is if you are locked into the bad destroy option. 
New cycle vs Dead galaxy

[OdanUrr]

Dwailing wrote...

But IT is NOT a religion.  It was never MEANT to be a religion.  It was MEANT to be a scientific theory to explain what the FRAK was going on with the endings.

Far from it.

[Big_Boss9]

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

For me, IT isn't disproven but the literal endings I can actually live with now. I always interpretted IT as a mix of reality and dream so nothing has changed now except I can be less adamant that it's the only possibility and I'm more agnostic about IT. As for people saying the reject choice suggests that IT is wrong, I don't believe that. The Child's voice aside, the choice could simply mean that Shep dies rather than escaping or succumbing to Indoctrination.

However, there's literally NO reason to reject the Reapers without IT.  The way they made it, there's no reason for Rejection to be an option without IT.  You just sacrifced the ENTIRE galaxy to make yourself feel better about not having to make a choice.  I don't like it, but if the endings ARE real, then Shepard just became the Galaxy's biggest COWARD.  And Shepard is NOT a coward.  The only reason to choose that ending is so that Shepard can break free of indoctrination, if it is present.

Alternatively, none of the three options presented to Shepard are considered acceptable. While rejection leads to the end of the current cycle's advanced civilizations, everything Shep and company did up until then made it possible for the next cycle to stop the Reapers. It doesn't mean that it has to considered exclusively under the umbrella of IT. Personally, I don't like that choice, but others might.

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 27 juin 2012 - 01:48 .

[Space Kookie]

waldstr18 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

For me, IT isn't disproven but the literal endings I can actually live with now. I always interpretted IT as a mix of reality and dream so nothing has changed now except I can be less adamant that it's the only possibility and I'm more agnostic about IT. As for people saying the reject choice suggests that IT is wrong, I don't believe that. The Child's voice aside, the choice could simply mean that Shep dies rather than escaping or succumbing to Indoctrination.

However, there's literally NO reason to reject the Reapers without IT.  The way they made it, there's no reason for Rejection to be an option without IT.  You just sacrifced the ENTIRE galaxy to make yourself feel better about not having to make a choice.  I don't like it, but if the endings ARE real, then Shepard just became the Galaxy's biggest COWARD.  And Shepard is NOT a coward.  The only reason to choose that ending is so that Shepard can break free of indoctrination, if it is present.

but didnt you say bioware planned this all along? so why wasnt the reject choice in the non extended version?

Honestly I feel the rejection ending is totally useless. Breaking free of the indoctrination happens by telling the reapers to go **** themselves, aka to kill them, not run away screaming...
Though it could of cause be a tool by the reapers to show sheppard that they'll all die...but we already know that. No need to make a 2 minute cinematic scene about that.

And whats up with the conversaion between old man/ lady and little child? Anyone?

[Dwailing]

alberto4395 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

RealStyli wrote...

For me, IT isn't disproven but the literal endings I can actually live with now. I always interpretted IT as a mix of reality and dream so nothing has changed now except I can be less adamant that it's the only possibility and I'm more agnostic about IT. As for people saying the reject choice suggests that IT is wrong, I don't believe that. The Child's voice aside, the choice could simply mean that Shep dies rather than escaping or succumbing to Indoctrination.

However, there's literally NO reason to reject the Reapers without IT.  The way they made it, there's no reason for Rejection to be an option without IT.  You just sacrifced the ENTIRE galaxy to make yourself feel better about not having to make a choice.  I don't like it, but if the endings ARE real, then Shepard just became the Galaxy's biggest COWARD.  And Shepard is NOT a coward.  The only reason to choose that ending is so that Shepard can break free of indoctrination, if it is present.

Well other than IT a good reason to choose this is if you are locked into the bad destroy option. 
New cycle vs Dead galaxy

Well, you DO have a point about THAT.  Still, it just seems to be a stupid move if you have other options.

[RealStyli]

Space Kookie wrote...

I don't think the extended cut disproves IT or spits in its theoretical face...the clues are still there:

1. Trees at the beam in London, that just randomly grew out of the ground within 10 seconds and happen to look JUST like in your dreams

There are trees on your approach to the beam. Though I'm not certain if they were added in the EC.

[PRJimmy415]

EC actually validates IT, even if only mockingly, by having StarChild break composure and reveal his true voice (A Reaper. . . Perhaps Harbinger?).

Otherwise, it's like a Jessica Merizan stated on Twitter: EC neither confirms/denies IT.

As long as ME3 exists, IT exists. If you like IT: "rejoice", if you hate IT: "deal with it".

[OdanUrr]

Dwailing wrote...

I understand the thinking behind that, I guess, but it still seems stupid to me.  Though if you thought it was better to sacrifice the whole galaxy for the moral high ground then be my guest.  And this is coming from a PARAGON for God's sake.

I agree. Sometimes not choosing is worse than the alternative.

[EpyonX3]

PlumPaul82393 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

I must have a pervese mind for thinking what I thought when I saw this

Not the response I was expecting lol

[v0rt3x22]

Dwailing wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I think IT has taken form of some sort of religion to some people - which is exactly why BioWare won't take a stance on it. You cannot proof or disprove religion. People are free to believe what they want to believe.

But IT is NOT a religion.  It was never MEANT to be a religion.  It was MEANT to be a scientific theory to explain what the FRAK was going on with the endings.

I'm aware of that - and I still believe in IT.

[waldstr18]

you didnt like the reject ending?! i loved it. maybe its because everyone dies, or maybe because a little thing during the game is now the main thing the hope of the organics rests upon. anyways, i read about it meaning "losing" the game, but i never expected that. awesome! the other endings are hmm.. ok, i guess. they explain everything, even though i feel stupid for originally picking the blue ending. the shepard reapers are now bob the builder? whats up with that?

well, green ending coming up, need to watch.

[Space Kookie]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I think IT has taken form of some sort of religion to some people - which is exactly why BioWare won't take a stance on it. You cannot proof or disprove religion. People are free to believe what they want to believe.

But IT is NOT a religion.  It was never MEANT to be a religion.  It was MEANT to be a scientific theory to explain what the FRAK was going on with the endings.

I'm aware of that - and I still believe in IT.

dito...just the only thing that makes ****ing sense.... -___-

[Sero303]

Just finished all the "clarified" endings, including "reject" ... and the clarification IS THERE. The ending still suck and their idea of clarification is to show us what happens in a boarder context with those endings. This is only reinforced by the cheesy, cheap, comic book graphic style stills carefully intermixed with the cinematic clips.
..I've lost all hope for this franchise.
On a 'less negative' note. I still believe the destroy option is the best. Best chance for Shepards survival, relays, citadel, indeed life is rebuilt and goes on. Oddly enough the citadel is completely rebuilt and no one noticed Shepard's mangled body in the rubble during the repairs.
Control just felt creepy and had this strange feeling that Shepard, was... not Shepard anymore, felt more like he was just a vessel for the catalyst.
Spacemagic -still a joke, and imposing that green tint in everyones eyes and the "computer like" graphics across the skin just makes it look how it seems, a joke. I don't take it seriously.

If I had to choose and be satisfied with what they have given us, I would have to say that DESTROY is the "canon" ending, and all others are "alternate" endings, much like that of the movie "Clue"
All in all, I am still not satisfied, half of what they gave us was cheap material probably thrown together at the very last minute by some people who definitely need to lose their jobs.

It IS better than what we got, but still not worthy of the franchise, the trilogy, or our respect and frankly I don't care if people say I am complaining, or whining because I didn't get what I wanted. What I wanted was some respect, and a quality ending worthy of the time and energy we have all put into the story. It is as much OUR story as it is theirs, and we deserve better.

[masster blaster]

Ya and when you pick refuse it's weird because the old man is replaced by an Asari instead of and old man.

[FellishBeast]

masster blaster wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

legaldinho wrote...

why change the voice?

To make IT theorists "jazz" their pants before being dumped. I know that's what happened to me...theoretically.

I should go.

You know you supported IT to so don't think to cut you off short with you help proving evidence.

For the love of God...go learn how to grammar PLEEASE. I have no idea what you said.

Speculations, anyone?

[Space Kookie]

waldstr18 wrote...

you didnt like the reject ending?! i loved it. maybe its because everyone dies, or maybe because a little thing during the game is now the main thing the hope of the organics rests upon. anyways, i read about it meaning "losing" the game, but i never expected that. awesome! the other endings are hmm.. ok, i guess. they explain everything, even though i feel stupid for originally picking the blue ending. the shepard reapers are now bob the builder? whats up with that?

well, green ending coming up, need to watch.

the green one is the creepiest lol. Green eyes and skin circuit boards for everybody xD
Getting a virus has never been so nerdy XD

[Sero303]

..and still believe IT...

[Dwailing]

You know, come to think of it, the Control ending is really weird. If you say that you'd rather not give up everything you have in the conversation with the Star-Brat, he says that he doesn't like the idea of being replaced by you, and yet, he SMILES if you choose Control. All I can say is, Da Frak?

Edit: Also, any idea why you see Thane in the Control ending?  Is it because he was killed by Kai Leng and now you're going with the idea that his boss supported?

Modifié par Dwailing, 27 juin 2012 - 01:58 .

[Arian Dynas]

PRJimmy415 wrote...

EC actually validates IT, even if only mockingly, by having StarChild break composure and reveal his true voice (A Reaper. . . Perhaps Harbinger?).

Otherwise, it's like a Jessica Merizan stated on Twitter: EC neither confirms/denies IT.

As long as ME3 exists, IT exists. If you like IT: "rejoice", if you hate IT: "deal with it".

I suppose that's the proper perspective.

Puts a disturbing spin on one of Gamble's comments though.

"How long did it take Ridley Scott to say "Yes, Deckard was a Replicant"? 20 years?" - Mike Gamble