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HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Guys, somebody found info for a DLC about the Leviathan of Dis... spoilers, obviously...

http://pastebin.com/rHzNDedX

Without spoiling too much, go to the bottom quarter and see something about the Leviathan of Dis that proves that Starbrat was lying about yet another thing....


Hoh-lee-shiiiiit.

2 gigabytes.

Maybe designed for interconnectivity with future DLC?

No more DLC for the ending, because we already have it? We just can't unlock it yet?


I'd love to believe something is up. I'm biased and looking for reasons to stay here, of course, but the EC does not "feel" like 2 gigs or 3 months of development time. It feels like something they could have done in a month or less, assuming the music was already composed and recorded, and that probably would only take up around 800 megs, if that. 


Exactly.

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Lokanaiya wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Guys, somebody found info for a DLC about the Leviathan of Dis... spoilers, obviously...

http://pastebin.com/rHzNDedX

Without spoiling too much, go to the bottom quarter and see something about the Leviathan of Dis that proves that Starbrat was lying about yet another thing....


Yeah, but unfortunately this just makes me fear that all BW is planning on doing is dancing around the subject without ever actually giving us a definitive answer. I would not enjoy that. One of the reasons I've been so enthusiastic about these speculations was because I was expecting to get an answer eventually. 


*Do not attempt to decipher if you don't want to be spoiled*

HaveyoureaditItlookslikeshepardwastrappedalonewithareaperandotherpeople
warnyouthatyoumighthavestartedbecomingindoctrinated.

*End indecipherable spoilers*


holy sh!t :o

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EpyonX3 wrote...

One single piece of info that makes IT harder to believe. Synthesis' Epilogue reveals Quarian faces. You can argue that he may know what Tali looks like if she's his LI, but Shepard has never seen a male Quarain without a mask.

And what if Tali was never your LI?


Bump...

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HellishFiend wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Guys, somebody found info for a DLC about the Leviathan of Dis... spoilers, obviously...

http://pastebin.com/rHzNDedX

Without spoiling too much, go to the bottom quarter and see something about the Leviathan of Dis that proves that Starbrat was lying about yet another thing....


Yeah, but unfortunately this just makes me fear that all BW is planning on doing is dancing around the subject without ever actually giving us a definitive answer. I would not enjoy that. One of the reasons I've been so enthusiastic about these speculations was because I was expecting to get an answer eventually. 

You me and a few others it would seem, as I said earlier I have little problem about I.T not being expodited, but the breath scene was a let down to me(again), if they have plans for future Shepard stories then just say so, I don't need to know details or spoilers, but currently Shepard is left hanging again!

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Another thing that keeps my faith in IT is future sequels. BW will almost have to make another trilogy as one of the great aspects of ME was it was your story and your choices made each game different from the next person's. If IT is not true then they almost have to do a prequel as they wouldn't be able to transfer saves over for a sequel with those 3 way different endings. But being a trilogy, it would have to be epic. In this cycle, nothing is more epic then the fight against the Reapers so they could make it about a previous cycle but we all know what happens to the previous cycles so choice doesn't matter. By starting a new ME game and having to be a sequel they would need to have a COMMON starting point...IT would fix all this and make the 3 endings moot and you wake up finish the fight and now a new hero and crew have there own journey...yada yada.

They said that ME3 finishes Shepards journey...they can still this with DLC that bridges the old trilogy to the new. Shep could wake up and kill the Reapers but in doing so find out about this Dark Energy threat that has been mentioned before and this is the story for the next series. I know that they have also said no post ending DLC. But they have to say that...if they didn't then people would:

1. Know IT is real
and/or
2. Really complain that they didn't get the full game
3: Wait later for complete package

Yes this may be just grasping at straws but to me EC didn't disprove IT and when looking outside the box in regards to what BW may do with ME in the future, IT just fits.....perfectly.

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I waited patiently for EC to explain how Shepard takes a breath after being in the middle of an explosion and how he was able to end up in a pile of stone rubble, and it was left just as vague as before, if not more so. I still subscribe to IT because as far as I'm concerned, it is the only that makes sense and does that wonderful trilogy justice. If I were a developer, I would be happy beyond words that a community banded together this closely to create an ending they loved to save their image of the game I created.

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HaveyoureaditItlookslikeshepardwastrappedalonewithareaperandotherpeople
warnyouthatyoumighthavestartedbecomingindoctrinated.


where in the file is this? i cant find it.

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DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Guys, somebody found info for a DLC about the Leviathan of Dis... spoilers, obviously...

http://pastebin.com/rHzNDedX

Without spoiling too much, go to the bottom quarter and see something about the Leviathan of Dis that proves that Starbrat was lying about yet another thing....


Yeah, but unfortunately this just makes me fear that all BW is planning on doing is dancing around the subject without ever actually giving us a definitive answer. I would not enjoy that. One of the reasons I've been so enthusiastic about these speculations was because I was expecting to get an answer eventually. 

You me and a few others it would seem, as I said earlier I have little problem about I.T not being expodited, but the breath scene was a let down to me(again), if they have plans for future Shepard stories then just say so, I don't need to know details or spoilers, but currently Shepard is left hanging again!


Yeah, we're on the same page here, for sure. The moment that the music climaxed and cut out right before the "breath" part of the breath scene, I knew it was just the same scene and that they were going to leave us hanging again. Expletives may or may not have been involved. 

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[quote]v0rt3x22 wrote...

[quote]Lokanaiya wrote...

[quote]HellishFiend wrote...

[quote]Lokanaiya wrote...

Guys, somebody found info for a DLC about the Leviathan of Dis... spoilers, obviously...

http://pastebin.com/rHzNDedX

Without spoiling too much, go to the bottom quarter and see something about the Leviathan of Dis that proves that Starbrat was lying about yet another thing....[/quote]

Yeah, but unfortunately this just makes me fear that all BW is planning on doing is dancing around the subject without ever actually giving us a definitive answer. I would not enjoy that. One of the reasons I've been so enthusiastic about these speculations was because I was expecting to get an answer eventually. 

[/quote]

*Do not attempt to decipher if you don't want to be spoiled*

HaveyoureaditItlookslikeshepardwastrappedalonewithareaperandotherpeople
warnyouthatyoumighthavestartedbecomingindoctrinated.

*End indecipherable spoilers*

[/quote]

I assume this is the summary of the "Leviathan" DLC that has been mentioned a bit? I am very interested to see how that turns out.

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EpyonX3 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

One single piece of info that makes IT harder to believe. Synthesis' Epilogue reveals Quarian faces. You can argue that he may know what Tali looks like if she's his LI, but Shepard has never seen a male Quarain without a mask.

And what if Tali was never your LI?


Bump...


You only see a profile view of the quarians. You've been able to see a basic profile of Tali's face since ME1.

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Fine, I''l just throw it in here since nobody is responding to my thread, and it'll probably get lost in the vacuum of space otherwise.

1. When Shepard wakes up from arriving at the Citadel, after taking the Conduit, he .... does some weird ass sound from him, can someone explain that?

2. Why does the Keeper, prior to that- pick up a helmet that seem to resemble Shepard's helmet? It's seen in several endings regarding the ending. (Worst Destroy ending + all others)
* Presumably because they didnt' want to showcase your custom Shepard appearance, altho in Control they have in-game model present, so it's abit of a ?
* Why is the Keeper, holding the helmet a focus screen, what is it meant to imply? Honestly, I don't know. Considering when they digest people, they turn into goo as seen in ME2. Armor/etc doesn't seem to matter that much.

3. What's up with the Starchild (Catalyst) sudden voice-change when you reject the option to use the Crucible? DId he just get some weird ass puberty voice change all of a sudden? Why does he even have a Reaper-voice to begin with? He's a bloody AI/VI(He even tells Shepard that he is)
* He does tell he has the imbued knowledge/experience etc of all Reapers. So it would seem appropiate that he imbueds something that represents the humanity, which is the kid that Shepard failed to save.
* Imbueded experience/knowledge might mean that he can speak with their common-tongue as well. But I don't still understand why there's a sudden need for voice-change. Unless you start forming a conspiracy theory about it, take a guess. He gets midly upset about it.

4. Why is the Conduit still active after picking destroy, as seen in the epilogue? Shouldn't it have at least gone haywire, or something? feels abit of a uneccasary thing to keep active. Seeing as it's an epilogue, time has passed- and they've already started a rebuilding of the galaxy.
* The Conduit Beam is INACTIVE in control, this I can understand tho- since Shepard sees no point in keeping it active.

5. The "setting" and tune of the final songs. For Control, it's in my opinion- not the most uplifting tune in the game. It's pretty sinister and dark. Hardly seems appropiate for what is implied to be a "Paragon" ending.
* The Destroy ending seems to have the most uplifting tune out of all them. This again, seems abit of a contradicting tune-setting, considering that you ended up killing EDI & The Geth in the process. It's the option that required the most sacrifice to accomplish your primarily goal since the saga's beginning.
* Synthesis seems to find the middle ground in setting a tone. It's uplifting, but also uncertain of the future feel to it. It's abit subjective, but it's my take on it.

What do you think? More speculations intended?

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The stuff about 'Leviathan'... what the hell is that about? This was found in the EC files? WHAT?!

And are all those lines dialogue that I was reading?

I'm uber confused.

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"The crucible has been destroyed" - that's the ending I get <3...

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byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

One single piece of info that makes IT harder to believe. Synthesis' Epilogue reveals Quarian faces. You can argue that he may know what Tali looks like if she's his LI, but Shepard has never seen a male Quarain without a mask.

And what if Tali was never your LI?


Bump...


You only see a profile view of the quarians. You've been able to see a basic profile of Tali's face since ME1.


No. There is a male Quarian behind the one centered. Might even have some facial hair. Secondly, we see masked Quarians in the Geth server mission, which use Shepard's memories to process the images. Here we see clear faces.

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I just realized something. when the elevator activates after shepard passes out it goes up itnto the ceiling, but as this pic shows the crucible is connected to the bottom of the citadel tower not the top. never noticed that before, and it is another plothole.... Thoughts?

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Any ideas on why this dlc is 2 gigs? Is there something we're not seeing yet?

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Fingertrip wrote...

1. When Shepard wakes up from arriving at the Citadel, after taking the Conduit, he .... does some weird ass sound from him, can someone explain that?
 


This is one of those either-way things where people are going to see what they want to see. I'm not sure what to make of it myself, but I would think it has something to do with the "Anderson" portion of Shepard's mind being what jolts him awake. 

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And yeah, I've seen all the endings. Am I the only one who does not see THAT much variability for 1.9 gb? Seems off. I doubt the few cinematics took up all that space. But I could be wrong.

God I hope they have something planned. Probably not.

Modifié par Makrys, 27 juin 2012 - 02:37 .


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Makrys wrote...

The stuff about 'Leviathan'... what the hell is that about? This was found in the EC files? WHAT?!

And are all those lines dialogue that I was reading?

I'm uber confused.


Yea. DLC stuff.

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plfranke wrote...

Any ideas on why this dlc is 2 gigs? Is there something we're not seeing yet?


No way to know for sure yet, until someone thoroughly mines the files. If the miners cant account for the size of the download with the mine-able files, then we would reasonably be able to conclude that there is something hidden within it.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Guys, somebody found info for a DLC about the Leviathan of Dis... spoilers, obviously...

http://pastebin.com/rHzNDedX

Without spoiling too much, go to the bottom quarter and see something about the Leviathan of Dis that proves that Starbrat was lying about yet another thing....


Hoh-lee-shiiiiit.

2 gigabytes.

Maybe designed for interconnectivity with future DLC?

No more DLC for the ending, because we already have it? We just can't unlock it yet?


That's VERY interesting.  If Star-Brat was lying even MORE then that suggests that Rejection might be the right idea.  Just to clear up any potential confusion, if IT is true, then I'm CERTAIN that Rejection is the right choice.  However, if IT ISN'T true, then Rejection is the suckiest choice in history and you're a horrible person for choosing it. :P  (Yes, that category includes me, as I chose it the first time.  However, as I still believe in IT, I'm fairly certain that it's the right choice.)

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v0rt3x22 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

The stuff about 'Leviathan'... what the hell is that about? This was found in the EC files? WHAT?!

And are all those lines dialogue that I was reading?

I'm uber confused.


Yea. DLC stuff.


Why would this be in the EC files? :blink:

Modifié par Makrys, 27 juin 2012 - 02:37 .


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Modifié par Space Kookie, 27 juin 2012 - 02:39 .


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plfranke wrote...

Any ideas on why this dlc is 2 gigs? Is there something we're not seeing yet?


Maybe some hidden Liara on Miranda porn action that can be unlocked? =333 Oh god I need to replay this game XD

Dwailing wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Lokanaiya wrote...

Guys, somebody found info for a DLC about the Leviathan of Dis... spoilers, obviously...

http://pastebin.com/rHzNDedX

Without spoiling too much, go to the bottom quarter and see something about the Leviathan of Dis that proves that Starbrat was lying about yet another thing....


Hoh-lee-shiiiiit.

2 gigabytes.

Maybe designed for interconnectivity with future DLC?

No more DLC for the ending, because we already have it? We just can't unlock it yet?


That's VERY interesting.  If Star-Brat was lying even MORE then that suggests that Rejection might be the right idea.  Just to clear up any potential confusion, if IT is true, then I'm CERTAIN that Rejection is the right choice.  However, if IT ISN'T true, then Rejection is the suckiest choice in history and you're a horrible person for choosing it. :P  (Yes, that category includes me, as I chose it the first time.  However, as I still believe in IT, I'm fairly certain that it's the right choice.)


In what lines is there relevent stuff to this matter? I only skimmed through it a little and there was too much that made no sense to me...

Modifié par Space Kookie, 27 juin 2012 - 02:39 .


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EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

One single piece of info that makes IT harder to believe. Synthesis' Epilogue reveals Quarian faces. You can argue that he may know what Tali looks like if she's his LI, but Shepard has never seen a male Quarain without a mask.

And what if Tali was never your LI?


Bump...


You only see a profile view of the quarians. You've been able to see a basic profile of Tali's face since ME1.


No. There is a male Quarian behind the one centered. Might even have some facial hair. Secondly, we see masked Quarians in the Geth server mission, which use Shepard's memories to process the images. Here we see clear faces.


I think its fairly likely that at some point Shepard saw an unmasked quarian. If the quarians are alive, they'd probably spend some time without their masks on Rannoch, and with all the constant status updates, Shep has probably talked to an unmasked male quarian.

Whether or not shes your LI, you see Tali's face at the end of Priority: Rannoch, and she looks fairly human, Shep could also just be extrapolating what male quarians look like based on that alone.

You seem to have forgotten that Tali takes her mask off after you talk to the destroyer.