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[PRJimmy415]

Where's the part about the StarChild lying in the document and Shepard perhaps having begun indoctrination? Using the number column on the left of the word document, someone want to tell me where it is?

[dreamgazer]

Makrys wrote...

And yeah, I've seen all the endings. Am I the only one who does not see THAT much variability for 1.9 gb? Seems off. I doubt the few cinematics took up all that space. But I could be wrong.

God I hope they have something planned. Probably not.

Oh, I'm sure they have things planned.  The Leviathan DLC sounds really interesting, almost Arrival-esque.

[Dwailing]

Fingertrip wrote...

Fine, I''l just throw it in here since nobody is responding to my thread, and it'll probably get lost in the vacuum of space otherwise.

1. When Shepard wakes up from arriving at the Citadel, after taking the Conduit, he .... does some weird ass sound from him, can someone explain that?

2. Why does the Keeper, prior to that- pick up a helmet that seem to resemble Shepard's helmet? It's seen in several endings regarding the ending. (Worst Destroy ending + all others)
* Presumably because they didnt' want to showcase your custom Shepard appearance, altho in Control they have in-game model present, so it's abit of a ?
* Why is the Keeper, holding the helmet a focus screen, what is it meant to imply? Honestly, I don't know. Considering when they digest people, they turn into goo as seen in ME2. Armor/etc doesn't seem to matter that much.

3. What's up with the Starchild (Catalyst) sudden voice-change when you reject the option to use the Crucible? DId he just get some weird ass puberty voice change all of a sudden? Why does he even have a Reaper-voice to begin with? He's a bloody AI/VI(He even tells Shepard that he is)
* He does tell he has the imbued knowledge/experience etc of all Reapers. So it would seem appropiate that he imbueds something that represents the humanity, which is the kid that Shepard failed to save.
* Imbueded experience/knowledge might mean that he can speak with their common-tongue as well. But I don't still understand why there's a sudden need for voice-change. Unless you start forming a conspiracy theory about it, take a guess. He gets midly upset about it.

4. Why is the Conduit still active after picking destroy, as seen in the epilogue? Shouldn't it have at least gone haywire, or something? feels abit of a uneccasary thing to keep active. Seeing as it's an epilogue, time has passed- and they've already started a rebuilding of the galaxy.
* The Conduit Beam is INACTIVE in control, this I can understand tho- since Shepard sees no point in keeping it active.

5. The "setting" and tune of the final songs. For Control, it's in my opinion- not the most uplifting tune in the game. It's pretty sinister and dark. Hardly seems appropiate for what is implied to be a "Paragon" ending.
* The Destroy ending seems to have the most uplifting tune out of all them. This again, seems abit of a contradicting tune-setting, considering that you ended up killing EDI & The Geth in the process. It's the option that required the most sacrifice to accomplish your primarily goal since the saga's beginning.
* Synthesis seems to find the middle ground in setting a tone. It's uplifting, but also uncertain of the future feel to it. It's abit subjective, but it's my take on it.

What do you think? More speculations intended?

1, 2, and 3 are all things that I noticed.  4 and 5, on the other hand, are not.  But I like them.  This is what we need more of.  It's time to get back to our old habits of disecting every tiny detail until we find something of interest.

[HellishFiend]

Fingertrip wrote...

2. Why does the Keeper, prior to that- pick up a helmet that seem to resemble Shepard's helmet? It's seen in several endings regarding the ending. (Worst Destroy ending + all others)
* Presumably because they didnt' want to showcase your custom Shepard appearance, altho in Control they have in-game model present, so it's abit of a ?
* Why is the Keeper, holding the helmet a focus screen, what is it meant to imply? Honestly, I don't know. Considering when they digest people, they turn into goo as seen in ME2. Armor/etc doesn't seem to matter that much.

Well, in a face-value context, I would say the Keeper fiddling with that helmet is extraneous. In IT context though, it seems to be Shepard's memory of finding his helmet at the Normandy SR-1 crash site in ME2. 

[Sero303]

Makrys wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Makrys wrote...

The stuff about 'Leviathan'... what the hell is that about? This was found in the EC files? WHAT?!

And are all those lines dialogue that I was reading?

I'm uber confused.

Yea. DLC stuff.

Why would this be in the EC files? 

Now that the "EC-Bomb" has dropped, and failed, now it's time to grasp at the next straw. My faith in the franchise is all but gone now, BUT,...if there is yet ANOTHER DLC coming that might expand on the journey. I would play it. But I doubt very seriously I would ever,...ever again pay, hard earned moneys for anything released from bioware again,...ever

[Dwailing]

HellishFiend wrote...

Fingertrip wrote...

2. Why does the Keeper, prior to that- pick up a helmet that seem to resemble Shepard's helmet? It's seen in several endings regarding the ending. (Worst Destroy ending + all others)
* Presumably because they didnt' want to showcase your custom Shepard appearance, altho in Control they have in-game model present, so it's abit of a ?
* Why is the Keeper, holding the helmet a focus screen, what is it meant to imply? Honestly, I don't know. Considering when they digest people, they turn into goo as seen in ME2. Armor/etc doesn't seem to matter that much.

Well, in a face-value context, I would say the Keeper fiddling with that helmet is extraneous. In IT context though, it seems to be Shepard's memory of finding his helmet at the Normandy SR-1 crash site in ME2. 

Actually, that could also remind people of the romance scene with Liara where Shep is checking his/her helmet.

[boeloe]

So I finished my EC playthrough. And it's a bit better than i feared, but a lot worse than I hoped for. Although my hopes were propably unrealistically high.

I still have a lot of questions, and there is still much confusion.

plfranke wrote...

Any ideas on why this dlc is 2 gigs? Is there something we're not seeing yet?

I'm not saying this is true, but it's a possible explanation:

Gamefiles (textures, meshes, sounds, etc.) are put in packages or archives. Let's say there a 10 textures in a package and you change one of them, you have to put that one back into the package and then redistribute that entire package. Even if 9/10 of the textures didn't change. This is one the reasons why they wouldn't fix Garrus's low-res face texture in ME1 because it would require a patch that was around 1GB in size.

[EpyonX3]

Fingertrip wrote...

Fine, I''l just throw it in here since nobody is responding to my thread, and it'll probably get lost in the vacuum of space otherwise.

1. When Shepard wakes up from arriving at the Citadel, after taking the Conduit, he .... does some weird ass sound from him, can someone explain that?

2. Why does the Keeper, prior to that- pick up a helmet that seem to resemble Shepard's helmet? It's seen in several endings regarding the ending. (Worst Destroy ending + all others)
* Presumably because they didnt' want to showcase your custom Shepard appearance, altho in Control they have in-game model present, so it's abit of a ?
* Why is the Keeper, holding the helmet a focus screen, what is it meant to imply? Honestly, I don't know. Considering when they digest people, they turn into goo as seen in ME2. Armor/etc doesn't seem to matter that much.

3. What's up with the Starchild (Catalyst) sudden voice-change when you reject the option to use the Crucible? DId he just get some weird ass puberty voice change all of a sudden? Why does he even have a Reaper-voice to begin with? He's a bloody AI/VI(He even tells Shepard that he is)
* He does tell he has the imbued knowledge/experience etc of all Reapers. So it would seem appropiate that he imbueds something that represents the humanity, which is the kid that Shepard failed to save.
* Imbueded experience/knowledge might mean that he can speak with their common-tongue as well. But I don't still understand why there's a sudden need for voice-change. Unless you start forming a conspiracy theory about it, take a guess. He gets midly upset about it.

4. Why is the Conduit still active after picking destroy, as seen in the epilogue? Shouldn't it have at least gone haywire, or something? feels abit of a uneccasary thing to keep active. Seeing as it's an epilogue, time has passed- and they've already started a rebuilding of the galaxy.
* The Conduit Beam is INACTIVE in control, this I can understand tho- since Shepard sees no point in keeping it active.

5. The "setting" and tune of the final songs. For Control, it's in my opinion- not the most uplifting tune in the game. It's pretty sinister and dark. Hardly seems appropiate for what is implied to be a "Paragon" ending.
* The Destroy ending seems to have the most uplifting tune out of all them. This again, seems abit of a contradicting tune-setting, considering that you ended up killing EDI & The Geth in the process. It's the option that required the most sacrifice to accomplish your primarily goal since the saga's beginning.
* Synthesis seems to find the middle ground in setting a tone. It's uplifting, but also uncertain of the future feel to it. It's abit subjective, but it's my take on it.

What do you think? More speculations intended?

1) I've tried but no one wants to listen unless it's pro-IT. The sound is from his synthetics waking him up from being knocked out or worse. Some say I'm wrong but offer no other explanation.

2) The helmet actually resembles the standard helmet worn by the regular alliance soldiers, jst damaged and covered in blood. Think about the one in the epilogue. The keepers doing this sheds light on what they're doing. They are scavenging through the remains, looking for useful items before the bodies are processed.

3) He created the reapers. It can be that the reapers share likeness in their creator. Notice how his voice changes slightly when you refuse destroy and talk back to him. He's annoyed at Shepard questioning him while he's being forced to alt his plans and help him.

4) It was repaired along with the rest of the Citadel eventually. It would make sense to repair this first so that it'd be easier getting resources to and from the Citadel.

5) I share the same feelings about the music. But combined with what we're told, we are supposed to feel odd. The voice we hear is the new Catalyst, not Shepard. It's very clear that we are not listening to Shepard, but a reaper that was born from the memories of Shepard. Think about Vendetta. He claims to be a memory of one, meaning he's everything about his original up until he died. This Sharpard/reaper says he's going to rebuild and mainain peace but how long until he cracks too? That's why the music is uneasy. Shepard is still dead to organics.

[v0rt3x22]

Why would this be in the EC files?

Happens sometimes during development. I think the same was for Arrival DLC - can't remember.

[byne]

One thing that really confused me about the EC. In all of the three original choices, we see the Normandy lifting off of that planet, looking pretty much brand new.

How?

Was there a Starship Parts & Paints store just offscreen? Did they fashion new engines out of wood and leaves?

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

One single piece of info that makes IT harder to believe. Synthesis' Epilogue reveals Quarian faces. You can argue that he may know what Tali looks like if she's his LI, but Shepard has never seen a male Quarain without a mask.

And what if Tali was never your LI?

Bump...

You only see a profile view of the quarians. You've been able to see a basic profile of Tali's face since ME1.

No. There is a male Quarian behind the one centered. Might even have some facial hair. Secondly, we see masked Quarians in the Geth server mission, which use Shepard's memories to process the images. Here we see clear faces.

I think its fairly likely that at some point Shepard saw an unmasked quarian. If the quarians are alive, they'd probably spend some time without their masks on Rannoch, and with all the constant status updates, Shep has probably talked to an unmasked male quarian.

Whether or not shes your LI, you see Tali's face at the end of Priority: Rannoch, and she looks fairly human, Shep could also just be extrapolating what male quarians look like based on that alone.

You seem to have forgotten that Tali takes her mask off after you talk to the destroyer.

Again, that's fine. But umasked male Quarians are harder to come by in the game. It just isn't very likely that Shepard met an unmasked male quarian or even seen one in a picture. For it to work with IT, we would have to see this as well, since the player is being indoctrinated along with Shepard.

[v0rt3x22]

byne wrote...

One thing that really confused me about the EC. In all of the three original choices, we see the Normandy lifting off of that planet, looking pretty much brand new.

How?

Was there a Starship Parts & Paints store just offscreen? Did they fashion new engines out of wood and leaves?

Yea I was wondering about that too....it was very strange....first they crash land and then they just fly off as if nothing happened....what was the point of that?

[boeloe]

byne wrote...

One thing that really confused me about the EC. In all of the three original choices, we see the Normandy lifting off of that planet, looking pretty much brand new.

How?

Was there a Starship Parts & Paints store just offscreen? Did they fashion new engines out of wood and leaves?

It is also looks less damaged directly after the crash than in the pre-EC endings.

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

One thing that really confused me about the EC. In all of the three original choices, we see the Normandy lifting off of that planet, looking pretty much brand new.

How?

Was there a Starship Parts & Paints store just offscreen? Did they fashion new engines out of wood and leaves?

There was one of these.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

One thing that really confused me about the EC. In all of the three original choices, we see the Normandy lifting off of that planet, looking pretty much brand new.

How?

Was there a Starship Parts & Paints store just offscreen? Did they fashion new engines out of wood and leaves?

Funny you mention that because if you look to the far left as the scene pans out you notice some irregular shaped objects that resemble buildings. Not saying 100% it's buildings but it's certainly something. You could also assume that this was the regroup planet or it is close to it and other ships were able to come in and repair it.

[dreman9999]

Ok. I just seen a 4 ec endings.... Now in the past I posted that they are 3 theories of IT..
1. Dream theory. This is the most popular one that everyone knows. It the one that stated everything after Shepard is down by harbinger is an indoctriantion dream...This one stands out by having Shepard still on earth.

2. Hallucination Theory. This is the second more know theory. It's one where Shepard is awake but is theoried that every thing he sees before him is an illusion or soon end up being in his head only. This one can have Shepard on the citadel but has the entire converstion with TIM and Anderson an illusion of indoctrination as well as the Star child.

3. Inflence theory. This is the one that has everything as real but it one that the reaper are trying to subminally influence Shepards choices with indoctrination and warping his perpective. This is inflence by the idea how reaper are more convincing with indoctrination. This also can murge with Hallucination theory as well with the star child or have the scene that happen be real in away.(Meaning the star child can be an illusion but Shepard is at that place.)
......
Based on the 4th ending and images in the head, I can see how only the Inflence theory maybe the only one that can be going on.
The endings now are clear enough and open ended enough for no one to be wrong on any theory. We just don't have a clear right answer.

[401 Kill]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

byne wrote...

One thing that really confused me about the EC. In all of the three original choices, we see the Normandy lifting off of that planet, looking pretty much brand new.

How?

Was there a Starship Parts & Paints store just offscreen? Did they fashion new engines out of wood and leaves?

Yea I was wondering about that too....it was very strange....first they crash land and then they just fly off as if nothing happened....what was the point of that?

Long time lurker here and I just wanted to offer some input. I believe that if you have a high enough EMS, then it never actually shows the Normandy being damaged by the crucible blast, at least in the Destroy ending.

[Dwailing]

Alright, I'm thinking about the Leviathan DLC, and a thought crossed my mind. This could be the missing link for IT. If Arrival isn't canon, and, as much as I hate to admit it, it MIGHT not be, then Shepard would need to be exposed to a Reaper or Reaper Artifact for a LONG time to help really kick-start the Indoctrination process. This could be it. For people who didn't play Arrival, this could be the explanation for how Shepard's indoctrination REALLY began.

[Lokanaiya]

Sorry, had to go do something quickly. You can find all dialogue relating to the Leviathan of Dis at the bottom half, looking up specific lines now.

[byne]

401 Kill wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

byne wrote...

One thing that really confused me about the EC. In all of the three original choices, we see the Normandy lifting off of that planet, looking pretty much brand new.

How?

Was there a Starship Parts & Paints store just offscreen? Did they fashion new engines out of wood and leaves?

Yea I was wondering about that too....it was very strange....first they crash land and then they just fly off as if nothing happened....what was the point of that?

Long time lurker here and I just wanted to offer some input. I believe that if you have a high enough EMS, then it never actually shows the Normandy being damaged by the crucible blast, at least in the Destroy ending.

Right, it didnt for me, and I remember when it cut without showing the engines falling off, I was like 'Did... did it outrun the blast?'

But then for no reason, it was crashed on the planet.

Somehow the whole crashing on the planet thing makes even less sense  now than it did before the EC.

[Dwailing]

byne wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

byne wrote...

One thing that really confused me about the EC. In all of the three original choices, we see the Normandy lifting off of that planet, looking pretty much brand new.

How?

Was there a Starship Parts & Paints store just offscreen? Did they fashion new engines out of wood and leaves?

Yea I was wondering about that too....it was very strange....first they crash land and then they just fly off as if nothing happened....what was the point of that?

Long time lurker here and I just wanted to offer some input. I believe that if you have a high enough EMS, then it never actually shows the Normandy being damaged by the crucible blast, at least in the Destroy ending.

Right, it didnt for me, and I remember when it cut without showing the engines falling off, I was like 'Did... did it outrun the blast?'

But then for no reason, it was crashed on the planet.

Somehow the whole crashing on the planet thing makes even less sense  now than it did before the EC.

Yeah, I know.  I wish they had dropped that scene.  It actually would have made MORE sense if they had dropped it.

[Sero303]

I just read in an "IGN.com" description review of the EC DLC, says "the Extended cut DLC adds several hours of content..." I am not sure about the rest of you, but I managed to watch them all in well under 2 hours.

[EpyonX3]

Dwailing wrote...

Alright, I'm thinking about the Leviathan DLC, and a thought crossed my mind. This could be the missing link for IT. If Arrival isn't canon, and, as much as I hate to admit it, it MIGHT not be, then Shepard would need to be exposed to a Reaper or Reaper Artifact for a LONG time to help really kick-start the Indoctrination process. This could be it. For people who didn't play Arrival, this could be the explanation for how Shepard's indoctrination REALLY began.

If true that would have been great to play on your first playthrough, not DLC almost a year later. One you may have to pay for as well, which will only have even less people experience it.

[Dwailing]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

One single piece of info that makes IT harder to believe. Synthesis' Epilogue reveals Quarian faces. You can argue that he may know what Tali looks like if she's his LI, but Shepard has never seen a male Quarain without a mask.

And what if Tali was never your LI?

Bump...

You only see a profile view of the quarians. You've been able to see a basic profile of Tali's face since ME1.

No. There is a male Quarian behind the one centered. Might even have some facial hair. Secondly, we see masked Quarians in the Geth server mission, which use Shepard's memories to process the images. Here we see clear faces.

I think its fairly likely that at some point Shepard saw an unmasked quarian. If the quarians are alive, they'd probably spend some time without their masks on Rannoch, and with all the constant status updates, Shep has probably talked to an unmasked male quarian.

Whether or not shes your LI, you see Tali's face at the end of Priority: Rannoch, and she looks fairly human, Shep could also just be extrapolating what male quarians look like based on that alone.

You seem to have forgotten that Tali takes her mask off after you talk to the destroyer.

Again, that's fine. But umasked male Quarians are harder to come by in the game. It just isn't very likely that Shepard met an unmasked male quarian or even seen one in a picture. For it to work with IT, we would have to see this as well, since the player is being indoctrinated along with Shepard.

Here's an idea, maybe the original endings are literal, and the Rejection ending is Indoctrination.  That way, BW can make EVERYONE happy by neither completely confirming or completely denying IT.  The IT haters get there extended original endings, and the IT lovers get, well, IT.  Honestly, I'm starting to wonder if BW HAD intended to make IT true for everything, but realized that enough people would get upset if IT was true for all that they decided it would be a better idea to have both.

[HellishFiend]

Sero303 wrote...

I just read in an "IGN.com" description review of the EC DLC, says "the Extended cut DLC adds several hours of content..." I am not sure about the rest of you, but I managed to watch them all in well under 2 hours.

I guess you could consider it several hours if you start from Cronos each time, but since there is only one new scene prior to The Return, all you have to do is load up The Return and watch all 4 endings. And even that would only take 90 minutes tops. And that's not even new content, at that. Most of it is content and dialog we've already been through. 

All in all, if you add up all 4 endings, I think the "new content" is an hour in length at best.