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[Auralius Carolus]

401 Kill wrote...

If anybody has pointed this out please ignore this:

The Catalyst says that the created will always rebel against their creators, so he started the cycle so that never happens, but he then says that he was created and while finding a solution, essentially turned on his "Creators" and turned them into reaper form. It seems to me that he is just contradicting his own reasoning for having the cycles.

That part of the conversation just seems like it is making it more obvious that he is lying, but that is just my opinion.

With the extended dialogue he continues to contradict himself.

[D.Sharrah]

infinite_regress wrote...

  

D.Sharrah wrote...
*snip*

Bioware did a bang-up job of creating something that looked beautiful on the surface.  

David Sharrah [/i]

I literally (not figuratively!) thought the exact same thing. It seemed too ideal. 

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hello! I've just finished the EC and CHOSEN CONTROL. 

Sooo, you chose the scare the crap out of me ending?  Great, just great.  What can I say, Shepard REALLY scares me in that ending.

Agreed. Especially considering what Starbrat says about the consequences of Shepard chosing control. 

D.Sharrah wrote...

Anyone seen any tweets asking Merizan what happened to being able to reunite w/ crew/LI?

Something like this?
http://twitter.com/JessicaMerizan/status/217805413280788480

and: http://twitter.com/J...789965633982464


Edit: don't know how to make it an actual link (so that you don't have to copy paste).

That is just a terrible cop out...we were supposed to head canon the reunion, come on!

[plfranke]

Does anyone know what happens if you romance a mass effect 2 character that's not in the crew of me3? Is there any dialogue or extra scene from them?

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hello! I've just finished the EC and CHOSEN CONTROL.

Sooo, you chose the scare the crap out of me ending?  Great, just great.  What can I say, Shepard REALLY scares me in that ending.

LOL. He became a perfect being. Power to shape reality without being corrupted!

Let us toast Shepard's omnipotence with our space magic wands!

You mean Shepbinger...or is Harpard?

[masster blaster]

Ya but like I said already then the control and synthesis would mean nothing if Harby blows up the Normandy right in front of Shepard's eyes. Also Shepard would not even hesita about killing the Reapers because Shepaed has lost his crew,ship,anderson, and his/her LI so ya not a good impression if you want to get somebody on your side.

Also what does Harbinger say to Shepard when you are about to get hit by it's beam? Just wondering that's all.

[HellishFiend]

D.Sharrah wrote...

That is just a terrible cop out...we were supposed to head canon the reunion, come on!

No kidding. By her logic, why give the game an ending at all if we're just supposed to headcanon everything? Just have the game end with Shepard stepping into the beam, or better yet, end it with the white screen after getting hit by Harby's beam. That way we can have whatever ending we want! 

[Five oH Thre3]

That was probably my biggest disappointment...no reunion with my LI (Liara) in any of the choices - and this after being told that this was one of the things that we could expect (along with the rest of the crew too).  Makes me wonder if there is more up their sleeve...

I honestly think there is something else that we downloaded along with the 'endings'. It just didn't seem like 1.9GB...

Modifié par Five oH Thre3, 27 juin 2012 - 04:23 .

[deltacypresss]

HellishFiend wrote...

Shepard seems corrupted even though he claims not to be....

well if that's not telling...

anywho. EC doesn't really change anything as far as IT is concerned. at least from my perspective. Just have more things to puzzle over.

Firmly IT until something can be said about the Shep alive scene that doesn't rely on astronomical leaps of suspension of disbelief.

[HellishFiend]

plfranke wrote...

Does anyone know what happens if you romance a mass effect 2 character that's not in the crew of me3? Is there any dialogue or extra scene from them?

Yeah, in my no-spoiler Shep's playthrough, I romanced Jack in ME2 and stayed loyal to her in ME3. I got a flashback scene of her in my endings instead of Liara, but that was it...

[masster blaster]

Ya but like I said already then the control and synthesis would mean nothing if Harby blows up the Normandy right in front of Shepard's eyes. Also Shepard would not even hesita about killing the Reapers because Shepaed has lost his crew,ship,anderson, and his/her LI so ya not a good impression if you want to get somebody on your side.

Also what does Harbinger say to Shepard when you are about to get hit by it's beam? Just wondering that's all.

[paxxton]

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hello! I've just finished the EC and CHOSEN CONTROL.

Sooo, you chose the scare the crap out of me ending?  Great, just great.  What can I say, Shepard REALLY scares me in that ending.

LOL. He became a perfect being. Power to shape reality without being corrupted!

Let us toast Shepard's omnipotence with our space magic wands!

You mean Shepbinger...or is Harpard?

Just Shepinger.

But, seriously, is IT still considered? What's the current consensus?

[Auralius Carolus]

Some things I noted throughout the gameplay that were strange:

- When Shepard regains consciousness on the Citadel, mechanical noises are heard and the audio tone is as if something is being forced upon him.
- If the Catalyst is refused, it takes an aggressive tone and its voice turns deep and Reaper-like.
- The child in the post-credit's scene, (most notably in the Refuse option), uses the same Catalyst voice over.

Now, there are other strange moments and I'm not trying to say that they are signs of IT, but it's almost as if BW is trying to keep it alive.

P.S.: What type of bullcrap was that, Harbinger ignoring the Normandy for all that time????

[CyberMiguel]

I like the synthesis ending. Why? Mostly because is where we're heading in real life. In fact, many sci-fi movies, games and books cover the subject of humans accelerating evolution through the merge with machine or synthetic parts. At first made no sense, but now that tehy've explained it, it fits...sort of xD

Anyway, into the indoc... I believed in the indoc, but now i'm not so sure. I mean... We were right that starbrat was harbinger (you can't deny that teh deep voice in "refusal" option is harby) and we still got shepard breathing scene, so.... It kinds of contradicts itself, because as I see it, there would be two ways to interpret it:

1st would be the "traditional one we all know with the "destroy" option and...

The 2nd one would be the "refusal" option. In that option, we can hear harby's "voice" saying "so be it", so it would mean that Shepard actually saw past the illusion and refused to fall for their games, but at the same time he got too late for that and every advanced species fell (except for the Asari of course thanks to their extremely long lifespan). So, in this end, "waking up" would mean "wanted to wake up and outsmart a reaper? Guess what, you can't". It sucks, but it was a possibility as well.

[Lokanaiya]

In case anyone missed it:

http://pastebin.com/rHzNDedX -- from EC files, contains dialogue from a DLC about Leviathan of Dis. I posted relevant line numbers on page 1224. Spoilers, obviously, but also some... interesting info regarding IT.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

Just Shepinger.

But, seriously, is IT still considered? What's the current consensus?

Of course it's considered. BW has explicitly stated that they are not confirming or denying it. The EC is just that, an extended cut of the endings we already had, with even more clues that point towards IT. 

[TJBartlemus]

401 Kill wrote...

If anybody has pointed this out please ignore this:

The Catalyst says that the created will always rebel against their creators, so he started the cycle so that never happens, but he then says that he was created and while finding a solution, essentially turned on his "Creators" and turned them into reaper form. It seems to me that he is just contradicting his own reasoning for having the cycles.

That part of the conversation just seems like it is making it more obvious that he is lying, but that is just my opinion.

This was my point earlier but I think you said it better. It's all circular logic for the reapers. Cycles remember?? I created synthetics to kill you so that synthetics don't kill you.

I was pondering on the implication of the reject ending, but from this I guess that choice it was just a straight up fail if you thought it was a trap. Honestly I have no idea what the reject implies other than a hint towards IT.

Alek Burnes
‏@AlekVB
@GambleMike in reject ending: did next cycle use crucible to save themselves from reapers?


Michael Gamble[/b]
‏@GambleMike
@AlekVB Some future cycle, yes. The new star-gazer scene should imply that.

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 27 juin 2012 - 04:35 .

[Lokanaiya]

Spoilers for Leviathan DLC and possibly more, (don't attempt to decipher if you don't want spoilers) thishappensintheendingdialoguewithstarbrat:

http://pastebin.com/R52YGPek -- lines 838, 963, 978, and 983 are of particular interest. The rest looks like what we already have.

[HellishFiend]

TJBartlemus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

If anybody has pointed this out please ignore this:

The Catalyst says that the created will always rebel against their creators, so he started the cycle so that never happens, but he then says that he was created and while finding a solution, essentially turned on his "Creators" and turned them into reaper form. It seems to me that he is just contradicting his own reasoning for having the cycles.

That part of the conversation just seems like it is making it more obvious that he is lying, but that is just my opinion.

This was my point earlier but I think you said it better. It's all circular logic for the reapers. Cycles remember?? I created synthetics to kill you so that synthetics don't kill you.

I was pondering on the implication of the reject ending, but from this I guess that choice it was just a straight up fail if you thought it was a trap. Honestly I have no idea what the reject implies other than a hint towards IT.

Alek Burnes
‏@AlekVB
@GambleMike in reject ending: did next cycle use crucible to save themselves from reapers?


Michael Gamble[/b]
‏@GambleMike
@AlekVB Some future cycle, yes. The new star-gazer scene should imply that.

That's points for IT in my book. Liara's time capsule supposedly helps the next cycle overcome the Reapers.

Really? How? If time capsules were enough to beat the Reapers, they would have been defeated long ago. 

[D.Sharrah]

paxxton wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Hello! I've just finished the EC and CHOSEN CONTROL.

Sooo, you chose the scare the crap out of me ending?  Great, just great.  What can I say, Shepard REALLY scares me in that ending.

LOL. He became a perfect being. Power to shape reality without being corrupted!

Let us toast Shepard's omnipotence with our space magic wands!

You mean Shepbinger...or is Harpard?

Just Shepinger.

But, seriously, is IT still considered? What's the current consensus?

I would say that the EC still left things open enough that IT was neither proven or disproven...an therin lies alot of the current frustration.

And I dont know, I think that I might like Harpard a little more...

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Just Shepinger.

But, seriously, is IT still considered? What's the current consensus?

Of course it's considered. BW has explicitly stated that they are not confirming or denying it. The EC is just that, an extended cut of the endings we already had, with even more clues that point towards IT. 

If that's the case, then I was right all along. IT has been left for Mass Effect 4.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 04:39 .

[v3paR]

I just saw all 4 endings and while i like the IT idea i think the EC weakens it a bit.
- we now clearly see Shepard jumping into the conduit and travel up
- we saw that Hackett get confirmation that Shepard is there
- the sound we hear when Shepard is "landing" in citadel is IMO a sound of his radio
(so he can hear Hackett later)

I think the endings are just for player interpretation. You want to destroy Reapers? So be it. You want to control them? There you go. You want all happy ending? There is a candy for you too. And finaly, You think you're being indoctrinated? Then go, break it. Dont let them control you. There is also the breath scene for the people who tried so hard, destroyed the Reapers and dont want Shepard to be dead.

And i dont think we'll see any other ending or confirmation what realy is true. Right now the only people unhappy are those who didnt like the ending at all (the idea and execution). Any shift in any direction (IT or literal) would cause fan-rage again

Now.. what if the indoctrination attempt or dream or whatever it is starts AFTER the Crucible connect with the Citadel just when Shepard opens the arms and faint. Why? Because of this imageshack.us/photo/my-images/811/masseffect3201206270417.jpg/
Isn't it strange that from all poeple out there it was Conrad who wrote that first and it actualy fits somehow to the crucible design?  With all the power the Crucible is suppose to have the difference in passage of time could be much greater

Just some very loose thoughts

Modifié par v3paR, 27 juin 2012 - 04:43 .

[Salient Archer]

Hmmm.... very intredasting

[plfranke]

hahaha well after reading that tweet from merizan what's the point of any of this speculation let's just all make up whatever the hell we want. that has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

[D.Sharrah]

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

If anybody has pointed this out please ignore this:

The Catalyst says that the created will always rebel against their creators, so he started the cycle so that never happens, but he then says that he was created and while finding a solution, essentially turned on his "Creators" and turned them into reaper form. It seems to me that he is just contradicting his own reasoning for having the cycles.

That part of the conversation just seems like it is making it more obvious that he is lying, but that is just my opinion.

This was my point earlier but I think you said it better. It's all circular logic for the reapers. Cycles remember?? I created synthetics to kill you so that synthetics don't kill you.

I was pondering on the implication of the reject ending, but from this I guess that choice it was just a straight up fail if you thought it was a trap. Honestly I have no idea what the reject implies other than a hint towards IT.

Alek Burnes
‏@AlekVB
@GambleMike in reject ending: did next cycle use crucible to save themselves from reapers?


Michael Gamble[/b]
‏@GambleMike
@AlekVB Some future cycle, yes. The new star-gazer scene should imply that.

That's points for IT in my book. Liara's time capsule supposedly helps the next cycle overcome the Reapers.

Really? How? If time capsules were enough to beat the Reapers, they would have been defeated long ago. 

Well...if the Reapers aren't quite as infallible as they would like us to believe then this would make some sense...after all, the Catalyst does say that thye thought they had removed all crucible data - multiple times...

Modifié par D.Sharrah, 27 juin 2012 - 04:42 .

[401 Kill]

HellishFiend wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

401 Kill wrote...

If anybody has pointed this out please ignore this:

The Catalyst says that the created will always rebel against their creators, so he started the cycle so that never happens, but he then says that he was created and while finding a solution, essentially turned on his "Creators" and turned them into reaper form. It seems to me that he is just contradicting his own reasoning for having the cycles.

That part of the conversation just seems like it is making it more obvious that he is lying, but that is just my opinion.

This was my point earlier but I think you said it better. It's all circular logic for the reapers. Cycles remember?? I created synthetics to kill you so that synthetics don't kill you.

I was pondering on the implication of the reject ending, but from this I guess that choice it was just a straight up fail if you thought it was a trap. Honestly I have no idea what the reject implies other than a hint towards IT.

Alek Burnes
‏@AlekVB
@GambleMike in reject ending: did next cycle use crucible to save themselves from reapers?


Michael Gamble[/b]
‏@GambleMike
@AlekVB Some future cycle, yes. The new star-gazer scene should imply that.

That's points for IT in my book. Liara's time capsule supposedly helps the next cycle overcome the Reapers.

Really? How? If time capsules were enough to beat the Reapers, they would have been defeated long ago. 

Regaurding the crucible surviving into later cycles he says something like: "Clearly organics are more resourceful than we thought." So yes... The reapers would've been more effective in destroying those records since they relized that information has been passed through the cycles.