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[TJBartlemus]

HellishFiend wrote...

D.Sharrah wrote...

That is just a terrible cop out...we were supposed to head canon the reunion, come on!

No kidding. By her logic, why give the game an ending at all if we're just supposed to headcanon everything? Just have the game end with Shepard stepping into the beam, or better yet, end it with the white screen after getting hit by Harby's beam. That way we can have whatever ending we want! 

The funny part about rpg games is that no matter what, one of the endings has to be canon. (Kotor for example) So now to figure what one out of the 4 is the one...I hope it is destroy. Seems to be the best so far. Reject still blows my mind though. Why add an ending for the final ending dlc other than to give hints/message...curious Bioware...

Edit: Or reject is a way to lose...but if all the regular choices are a trap, then wouldn't the reject be a win?

Modifié par TJBartlemus, 27 juin 2012 - 04:44 .

[plfranke]

Hey guys didn't they say they were going to show our war assets in action in the ec? I didn't see any rachni the whole ending or geth or quarians for that matter.

[Gearsofwarowns]

They didn't really answer everything I wanted them to, most notably how Shepard is breathing in space... But the extended epilogue with people mourning Shepard's loss made it seem more...real.

Also; SERIOUSLY what's up with Harbinger politely waiting for Shepard to say goodbye...then ignoring the Normandy altogether....and then flying away still....

[deltacypresss]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Just Shepinger.

But, seriously, is IT still considered? What's the current consensus?

Of course it's considered. BW has explicitly stated that they are not confirming or denying it. The EC is just that, an extended cut of the endings we already had, with even more clues that point towards IT. 

the EC is actually pretty good. It give clarification to literalists so they can be happy with the endings. And also gives IT'rs more speculation material.


Now this may seem far fetched. what if the EC is just another attempt by the reapers to indoc shepard. Or bioware,  if going by the theory that bioware is trying to indoc the the player.

SHep is unconscious and the reapers have a foothold in his mind. No reason they couldn't reload the same dream over and over again. each time saying, "hey, this is what is going to happen if you choose destory, its totally a bad choice." for a paragon shep, he sees edi and all synthetics die in destroy, can't chose that. he sees himself becomming what he hates in controll. but everything is bubble gum and rainbows in synthesis. in fact, if he chooses sunthesis the galaxy will be much better off and advance far beyond what we were ever capable of.

So he sees these scenarios multiple times in his head untill the reapers hopefully turn him around to their way of thinking. and if he doesn't, well he is just laying/lieing in a heap of rubble on earth. what good can he do there?

[HellishFiend]

plfranke wrote...

hahaha well after reading that tweet from merizan what's the point of any of this speculation let's just all make up whatever the hell we want. that has to be the stupidest thing I've ever heard.

My thoughts exactly. And like I said several pages back. If this were just an issue of authoring some headcanon, I would have been over and done with this back in March. 

[D.Sharrah]

Gotta go to bed...already stayed up to late...I'll check back in tomorrow.

[paxxton]

Hey! Why does the Starchild change his voice if you reject the choice? Why didn't BioWare use Harbinger's voice for this?!

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 04:46 .

[HellishFiend]

plfranke wrote...

Hey guys didn't they say they were going to show our war assets in action in the ec? I didn't see any rachni the whole ending or geth or quarians for that matter.

Or Citadel Defense forces. 

[Sero303]

plfranke wrote...

Hey guys didn't they say they were going to show our war assets in action in the ec? I didn't see any rachni the whole ending or geth or quarians for that matter.

...hmmm I do believe you are right my friend, I did notice that apparently towards the end of the battle humans were the only ones left fighting, if you notice in three "main" endings, there is only one turian ship that escapes the blast into FTL, every other ship seen during the battle is human, in fact you only see alien vessel twice in all the ec footage...

[TJBartlemus]

Gearsofwarowns wrote...

They didn't really answer everything I wanted them to, most notably how Shepard is breathing in space... But the extended epilogue with people mourning Shepard's loss made it seem more...real.

Also; SERIOUSLY what's up with Harbinger politely waiting for Shepard to say goodbye...then ignoring the Normandy altogether....and then flying away still....

Well that's funny because he was still surrounded with EARTH rubble. And they fixed the citadel and Earth, so wouldn't they have found Shepard?? However when the scene comes it seems like he is still in London on Priority: Earth...even more curious BioWare. Well played.... Well played.... 

[paxxton]

What about the breath scene?! It's still there.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 04:50 .

[DJBare]

Well, just completed control and synthesis, control, well not a lot to say about that, Shepard becoming some kind of deity, uh huh.

Synthesis, what in the hell!, I just genetically raped the entire galaxy and everyone is celebrating?, I thought I was perverted, Bioware goes way beyond that with this kind of outcome.

I find myself hoping these are not the end's Bioware envisioned but were rushed into delivering, the other noted thing is "trying too hard to please everyone"; all outcomes have a nice ending, where is the consequence for making the wrong choice(reject not withstanding)?

[TJBartlemus]

paxxton wrote...

Hey! Why does the Starchild change his voice if you reject the choice? Why didn't BioWare use Harbinger's voice for this?!

Well it could be argued in a literalist perspective that his voice is different because he is the essence of all the collective reapers minds. (He even says this, so why does Shepard trust him? Oh wait he doesn't. DESTROY option) If they used harbinger's voice it would be a dead give away. Though in my opinion I think it was Harbinger's voice, just altered a bit.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

Well, just completed control and synthesis, control, well not a lot to say about that, Shepard becoming some kind of deity, uh huh.

Synthesis, what in the hell!, I just genetically raped the entire galaxy and everyone is celebrating?, I thought I was perverted, Bioware goes way beyond that with this kind of outcome.

I find myself hoping these are not the end's Bioware envisioned but were rushed into delivering, the other noted thing is "trying too hard to please everyone"; all outcomes have a nice ending, where is the consequence for making the wrong choice(reject not withstanding)?

Indeed, Control and Synthesis are even more "thematically revolting" than the original versions. Considering how beautifully written those themes are, I'm more convinced than ever that IT is true. There's no way they would sculpt those themes and subplots only to spit on them at the very end. 

[TJBartlemus]

DJBare wrote...

Well, just completed control and synthesis, control, well not a lot to say about that, Shepard becoming some kind of deity, uh huh.

Synthesis, what in the hell!, I just genetically raped the entire galaxy and everyone is celebrating?, I thought I was perverted, Bioware goes way beyond that with this kind of outcome.

I find myself hoping these are not the end's Bioware envisioned but were rushed into delivering, the other noted thing is "trying too hard to please everyone"; all outcomes have a nice ending, where is the consequence for making the wrong choice(reject not withstanding)?

Well if you notice between the endings, in synthesis no one is holding the guns in the air in celebrating, while in destroy this is the opposite.

Yes, I found it wierd that they didn't put a fail choice in the original ending. It's too easy to win against the Reapers in my opinion. At least with ME2 it had a chance to fail.

[Auralius Carolus]

Lokanaiya wrote...

*Minor spoilers*
Allusions to Indoc, probably dialogue by squadmates, quest giver, maybe Hackett?
1086, 1166, 1241, 1606, 1611 (implying being alone w/ Leviathan) 1856
Relation of Leviathan to other Reapers:
1441, 1451, 1816
Leviathan's established as a major source of indoctrination, not related to Shep:
1111, 1116, 1281 (may be related to Shep also), 1311, 1631

So I may have been right afterall...

In the hidden ending of Arrival, a Reaper can be seen firing on another one...

And you're sure this is a canon file? You got an exact path that I can backup?

[401 Kill]

magnetite wrote...

Prothean VI states the Catalyst is the Citadel. The Child states he is the Catalyst. As we found out the Child is Harbinger a few pages back.

I honestly don't know. Speculation for everyone, and make up your own interpretation for the ending still stands.

I have no idea why they "fixed" almost everything else but left the breath scene STILL unresolved. That breath scene seemed different from the breath scene before the EC, I just cannot put my finger on it.

[paxxton]

Just saw 2 other endings. Synthesis is great too (possibly the most satisfactory ending because organics and synthetics lose nothing and gain everything). Destroy is really naive if you sit and think about it.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 05:13 .

[Auralius Carolus]

paxxton wrote...

What about the breath scene?! It's still there.

For destroy, yeah. Shepard's state of is still MIA, I suppose.

[DJBare]

HellishFiend wrote...

Indeed, Control and Synthesis are even more "thematically revolting" than the original versions. Considering how beautifully written those themes are, I'm more convinced than ever that IT is true. There's no way they would sculpt those themes and subplots only to spit on them at the very end. 

I noted a couple of oddities, for Synthesis you get the old man and the child scene but the plants are normal, no sign of synthesis anywhere.

Also Hackett gets a message and says to paraphrase "damn they made it"; where did that info come from, everyone had either legged it or were dead, who witnessed Shepard entering the beam?

In the destroy ending I had 3880 EMS and got the breath scene, my LI smiled instead of placing the plaque, why?, my Shepard's LI could not have known.


And the biggest one of all I'm sure no one could miss, the Normandy was definitely a wreck during the planet scene, you could see the engines ripped off, yet the Normandy suddenly takes off fully repaired, huh?

Confused?, you will be, tune in next year for the final final instalment of Mass Effect.

[DJBare]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Well if you notice between the endings, in synthesis no one is holding the guns in the air in celebrating, while in destroy this is the opposite.

Yeah, I did notice that, I put it down to them being cold emotionally after being genetically raped.

[Auralius Carolus]

magnetite wrote...

Prothean VI states the Catalyst is the Citadel. The Child states he is the Catalyst. As we found out the Child is Harbinger a few pages back.

I honestly don't know. Speculation for everyone, and make up your own interpretation for the ending still stands.

You found out? I missed it, the only indication is:

www.youtube.com/watch

that I am aware of.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Indeed, Control and Synthesis are even more "thematically revolting" than the original versions. Considering how beautifully written those themes are, I'm more convinced than ever that IT is true. There's no way they would sculpt those themes and subplots only to spit on them at the very end. 

I noted a couple of oddities, for Synthesis you get the old man and the child scene but the plants are normal, no sign of synthesis anywhere.

Also Hackett gets a message and says to paraphrase "damn they made it"; where did that info come from, everyone had either legged it or were dead, who witnessed Shepard entering the beam?

In the destroy ending I had 3880 EMS and got the breath scene, my LI smiled instead of placing the plaque, why?, my Shepard's LI could not have known.


And the biggest one of all I'm sure no one could miss, the Normandy was definitely a wreck during the planet scene, you could see the engines ripped off, yet the Normandy suddenly takes off fully repaired, huh?

Confused?, you will be, tune in next year for the final final instalment of Mass Effect.

Well in the endings where Normandy takes off, we no longer see engines getting ripped off by the Shockwave. The wave hitting the Normandy occurs off-camera. But it still makes no sense that it crash lands at all if it's spic and span. 

My "favorite" part of the Synthesis ending is how the husk is all  after being hit with the wave. It's like we're just waiting for it to say "Tea, anyone?"

[Big_Boss9]

As we found out the Child is Harbinger a few pages back.

No, he's not -- "I embody the collective intelligence of all Reapers".

Modifié par Big_Boss9, 27 juin 2012 - 05:14 .