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[HellishFiend]

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[Starbuck8]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
My "favorite" part of the Synthesis ending is how the husk is all  after being hit with the wave. It's like we're just waiting for it to say "Tea, anyone?"

Lol this was the most disturbing part of synthesis to me. What kind of "new" life is that husk. Omg did it just gain self awareness?

It struck me as one of those "Be careful for what you wish for..." moments. Ya know, the story of how a kid wishes his dead grandma could come back... and she rises from the grave, half-rotten and tormented with pain, half-witted and all.

... more disturbing images! lol

[Auralius Carolus]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Ok this is still bugging me:
Normandy showing up to pick up the squadmates, and Harbinger ignores it and lets the get away. Yeah, mentioned before. But wouldn't it have made more sense for them to be injured in the vehicle crash and pick them up before the beam run? At least we wouldn't have been thinking Harby was about to kill everyone on the Normandy while trying to enjoy the scene with our LI
And still, your squadmates and the Normandy with your whole team on it abandoning you just after that speech you gave in the FOB about doing this together! Would have made more sense for them to ALL jump out of the Normandy and run down the hill with you, am I right?

To me that really was stupid. Flat, unbridaled stupidity. Harbinger's a fricken multitasker when it comes to working those thanix guns, picking off each individual soldier- yet flat ignores the Normandy.

Big herp derp moment.

[Unschuld]

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
My "favorite" part of the Synthesis ending is how the husk is all  after being hit with the wave. It's like we're just waiting for it to say "Tea, anyone?"

Good grief!, you just made me think of something shocking, it was still a husk and still alive, some poor sod's are gong to spend the rest of their lives as synthesised husk!

Don't worry. The mass suicides following the realization will solve this. Synthesis utopia! 

[slyborg]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Just saw 2 other endings. Synthesis is great too (possibly the most satisfactory ending because organics and synthetics lose nothing and gain everything). Destroy is really naive if you sit and think about it.

No, paxxton...just no... Synthesis and Control are naive, not Destroy. 

In Destroy you basically decide to annihilate yourself to rebuild. Doesn't make sense and is counterproductive. Civilizations are pushed back hundreds of years instead of utilizing/cooperating with the Reapers through peace and mutual enhancement.

Is the galaxy any less destroyed by the reapers in Control or Synthesis? No. 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Starbuck8 wrote...

Ok this is still bugging me:
Normandy showing up to pick up the squadmates, and Harbinger ignores it and lets the get away. Yeah, mentioned before. But wouldn't it have made more sense for them to be injured in the vehicle crash and pick them up before the beam run? At least we wouldn't have been thinking Harby was about to kill everyone on the Normandy while trying to enjoy the scene with our LI
And still, your squadmates and the Normandy with your whole team on it abandoning you just after that speech you gave in the FOB about doing this together! Would have made more sense for them to ALL jump out of the Normandy and run down the hill with you, am I right?

Yeah Harbinger would barely have needed to hit the Normandy to tear it apart. I mean it is a frigate, a large advanced frigate yes, but still a frigate and the Reapers are shown tearing apart cruisers with single shots.

And yes it would have made more sense for everyone to have jumped out and charged donw the hill with Shepard, adding more targets and potential chances for success. Hell have Joker turn the Normandy around and fire upon Harbinger to distract him and things would be more like they probably should be considering many of these people went through a suicide mission together without ever stepping back.

[Starbuck8]

Unschuld wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...
My "favorite" part of the Synthesis ending is how the husk is all  after being hit with the wave. It's like we're just waiting for it to say "Tea, anyone?"

Good grief!, you just made me think of something shocking, it was still a husk and still alive, some poor sod's are gong to spend the rest of their lives as synthesised husk!

Don't worry. The mass suicides following the realization will solve this. Synthesis utopia! 

Synthesis!
lol

[boeloe]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

boeloe wrote...

So I was looking through the movies in the dlc package and noticed there was a file OptOut_NewFinale.bik. Its almost the same as the movie that plays after the credits, except that it has an asari (liara?, can't be sure there is no sound) in it. Does anyone know when this plays?

That's the new Reject ending. It appears to be a new species, but oddly... that child has the same voice as the Catalyst. I mean spot-on, no variation.

Thanks, I finally found it on youtube though and yeah it seems to be someone from the next cycle.

Starbuck8 wrote...

Ok this is still bugging me:
Normandy showing up to pick up the squadmates, and Harbinger ignores it and lets the get away. Yeah, mentioned before. But wouldn't it have made more sense for them to be injured in the vehicle crash and pick them up before the beam run? At least we wouldn't have been thinking Harby was about to kill everyone on the Normandy while trying to enjoy the scene with our LI
And still, your squadmates and the Normandy with your whole team on it abandoning you just after that speech you gave in the FOB about doing this together! Would have made more sense for them to ALL jump out of the Normandy and run down the hill with you, am I right?

You're right.

[HellishFiend]

boeloe wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Ok this is still bugging me:
Normandy showing up to pick up the squadmates, and Harbinger ignores it and lets the get away. Yeah, mentioned before. But wouldn't it have made more sense for them to be injured in the vehicle crash and pick them up before the beam run? At least we wouldn't have been thinking Harby was about to kill everyone on the Normandy while trying to enjoy the scene with our LI
And still, your squadmates and the Normandy with your whole team on it abandoning you just after that speech you gave in the FOB about doing this together! Would have made more sense for them to ALL jump out of the Normandy and run down the hill with you, am I right?

You're right.

Shepard basically says the reason why the Normandy and crew retreat. To paraphrase, he says "I need to know someone is making it out of this." It makes sense that he would dream of his crew leaving and surviving while he sacrifices himself to save everyone. It doesnt make sense that they would do it in reality. 

[capn233]

Harbi not targeting SR2 is more proof that the Reapers are overrated and could indeed be beaten conventionally. At least if you have the Geth.

[Modernpreacher]

So from what I took from it...

There's a time line here for the game.


X amount of years ago, some distant race of creatures made a synthetic race. It had an uprising.

One of the two races sought to end the war by creating a machine to do it. They make the Catalyst. The Catalyst comes online, thinks about the problem and then Reaps the race that made them, and I guess everything else at that level of technological advancement.

It doesn't see any other way around it. It realises on some level that it's not an actual solution, more like an infinite delay to the problem.

Time and time again, the Reapers come, they Reap, they Retreat. All at the behest of the Catalyst. They back up the knowledge of the races they Reap so as not to lose that knowledge. The cycle is inevitable though. The Catalyst knows that, which is why it picked the solution it did.

It did not have the tools to actually do anything else at the time.

So flash forward, at some point a race in the distant past came up with the Crucible. Which is basically some big energy generator which was going to allow the Catalyst to have the extra power it needed to actually break the cycle.

Before they can finish, they are Reaped. Down the line another species finds that information on a data disc or whatever, and continues. Every cycle refines and tweaks the Crucible design trying to get it right.

Finally the Humans do it. They park the Crucible in the Citadel where the Catalyst is run from. The Catalyst levels to 99, and the Red, Blue, Green beam options spring up. It doesn't have a corporeal form, it's not physical so it can't actually make the changes happen, it's not the changer, it's just the Catalyst afterall. It NEEDS someone to do it.

That someone happens to be Shepard.

When Shep rejects, the Catalyst is kind of angry, frustrated, depressed and all around PO'd. It's just a machine afterall, you can hear "So be it" I would have liked a shot of every Reaper everywhere at that moment saying those words. As if they were all poised to finally break the Cycle.

The Catalyst actually wants this cycle broken, that's why it was invented in the first place.

It's been waiting for a real solution for untold years. Now it has one, and to have it rejected... wow. That must suck. How much longer must it wait? Another cycle? 10? 100 cycles? The thought is mind blowing really.

How much Shepard has in the balance, not just his race... but the future generations of countless species. It's staggering the consider.

[paxxton]

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Just saw 2 other endings. Synthesis is great too (possibly the most satisfactory ending because organics and synthetics lose nothing and gain everything). Destroy is really naive if you sit and think about it.

No, paxxton...just no... Synthesis and Control are naive, not Destroy. 

In Destroy you basically decide to annihilate yourself to rebuild. Doesn't make sense and is counterproductive. Civilizations are pushed back hundreds of years instead of utilizing/cooperating with the Reapers through peace and mutual enhancement.

Honest question, did you understand the point of my Choose Wisely video, or did you just like it for the style?  Because I dont see how you could understand the video and still think picking Destroy is naive or counterproductive. The mere act of picking Control or Synthesis violates all established themes and reason. 

Sophistry.

I could agree that conventionally Destroy is the best choice (because humans must be humans) but if it happened in RL organics would simply cease to be. And even if not immediately then many more would die after the war than during it because of the lack of technology/communication/transportation (and those dreadnoughts in the cinematic are a contradiction).

[Starbuck8]

HellishFiend wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Ok this is still bugging me:
Normandy showing up to pick up the squadmates, and Harbinger ignores it and lets the get away. Yeah, mentioned before. But wouldn't it have made more sense for them to be injured in the vehicle crash and pick them up before the beam run? At least we wouldn't have been thinking Harby was about to kill everyone on the Normandy while trying to enjoy the scene with our LI
And still, your squadmates and the Normandy with your whole team on it abandoning you just after that speech you gave in the FOB about doing this together! Would have made more sense for them to ALL jump out of the Normandy and run down the hill with you, am I right?

You're right.

Shepard basically says the reason why the Normandy and crew retreat. To paraphrase, he says "I need to know someone is making it out of this." It makes sense that he would dream of his crew leaving and surviving while he sacrifices himself to save everyone. It doesnt make sense that they would do it in reality. 

Dream, yes. Reality, no.
But if we view the ending as literalist writing, guess we can't write in dead squadmates, can we? Then shouldn't have written this part of the ending to make so much nonsense...
So the one explanation here that makes the most sense is Shepard's dream/fantasy...

[DJBare]

After witnessing all "THREE" endings(yes I said it), none of it makes sense to me anymore, destroy was certainly my canon originally, but now none of the endings seem right if you know what I mean, I'm back to where I want to destroy the crucible, I think it was a mistake constructing it and I got a nagging doubt but all the choices(destroy, control and synthesis), oh boy, I find myself back at square one, more questions than answers, think I need to get some skyrim in and try to put this behind me.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

capn233 wrote...

Harbi not targeting SR2 is more proof that the Reapers are overrated and could indeed be beaten conventionally. At least if you have the Geth.

That sentence dosent even make sense.

Sovereign class Reapers are shown tearing apart Cruisers with asingle shot and the Codex states no Dreadnought has survived a hit from their main cannon either. The Normandy would b toast if hit.

But essentially no, there is no chance of winning this conventionally at Earth. Besides the fact that Hacket flat out says this just before the final assault I also did a count on the number of Sovereign class Reapers using the space battle scene where you can get some good panoramic shots of Earth and the Reapers.

I reached a rough number of around 150 Sovereign class Reapers. The united fleet at its very best has just over 200 Dreadnoughts (pre war numbers) and it takes 3 Dreadnoughts to down 1 Sovereign class Reaper.

You do the math on the chances of conventional victory.

[HellishFiend]

paxxton wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Honest question, did you understand the point of my Choose Wisely video, or did you just like it for the style?  Because I dont see how you could understand the video and still think picking Destroy is naive or counterproductive. The mere act of picking Control or Synthesis violates all established themes and reason. 

Sophistry.

I could agree that conventionally Destroy is the best choice (because humans must be humans) but if it happened in RL organics would simply cease to be. And even if not immediately then many more would die after the war than during it because of the lack of technology/communication/transportation (and those dreadnoughts in the cinematic are a contradiction).

I have no comments on that since it seems you have gone off on a tangent with it. But I can say with absolute certainty, it is a literary fact that Synthesis/Control are thematic contradictions. An author trying to get a simple paperback published would be laughed at if he delivered a manuscript with a thematically contradictory ending like that. 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

paxxton wrote...

I could agree that conventionally Destroy is the best choice (because humans must be humans) but if it happened in RL organics would simply cease to be. And even if not immediately then many more would die after the war than during it because of the lack of technology/communication/transportation (and those dreadnoughts in the cinematic are a contradiction).

You are refering to the catalyst "and most technology" line right? It only appears if you destroyed the Geth and is clearly not true (if the ending is taken litterally) as we see your mentioned Dreadnoughts and how they rebuild civilization.

[Starbuck8]

DJBare wrote...

After witnessing all "THREE" endings(yes I said it), none of it makes sense to me anymore, destroy was certainly my canon originally, but now none of the endings seem right if you know what I mean, I'm back to where I want to destroy the crucible, I think it was a mistake constructing it and I got a nagging doubt but all the choices(destroy, control and synthesis), oh boy, I find myself back at square one, more questions than answers, think I need to get some skyrim in and try to put this behind me.

Yeah, for some reason not even destroy sat right with me...

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

After witnessing all "THREE" endings(yes I said it), none of it makes sense to me anymore, destroy was certainly my canon originally, but now none of the endings seem right if you know what I mean, I'm back to where I want to destroy the crucible, I think it was a mistake constructing it and I got a nagging doubt but all the choices(destroy, control and synthesis), oh boy, I find myself back at square one, more questions than answers, think I need to get some skyrim in and try to put this behind me.

Hang in there. I'm still convinced IT is the intended interpretation. I just hope that BW confirms it at some point. 

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Starbuck8 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

After witnessing all "THREE" endings(yes I said it), none of it makes sense to me anymore, destroy was certainly my canon originally, but now none of the endings seem right if you know what I mean, I'm back to where I want to destroy the crucible, I think it was a mistake constructing it and I got a nagging doubt but all the choices(destroy, control and synthesis), oh boy, I find myself back at square one, more questions than answers, think I need to get some skyrim in and try to put this behind me.

Yeah, for some reason not even destroy sat right with me...

Yeah I was not as certain in that either, but rejection is even worse for me.

Yes you talk back to the Catalyst, but Shepard appears as if he fears death or is afraid to make the necesary sacrifices...he just seemed out of character in that regard, no longer a hero.

[Auralius Carolus]

HellishFiend wrote...

boeloe wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

Ok this is still bugging me:
Normandy showing up to pick up the squadmates, and Harbinger ignores it and lets the get away. Yeah, mentioned before. But wouldn't it have made more sense for them to be injured in the vehicle crash and pick them up before the beam run? At least we wouldn't have been thinking Harby was about to kill everyone on the Normandy while trying to enjoy the scene with our LI
And still, your squadmates and the Normandy with your whole team on it abandoning you just after that speech you gave in the FOB about doing this together! Would have made more sense for them to ALL jump out of the Normandy and run down the hill with you, am I right?

You're right.

Shepard basically says the reason why the Normandy and crew retreat. To paraphrase, he says "I need to know someone is making it out of this." It makes sense that he would dream of his crew leaving and surviving while he sacrifices himself to save everyone. It doesnt make sense that they would do it in reality. 

But then comes the issue of practicality: Why on Earth would the Bioware Edmonton team bother with working for 3.5 months on a free DLC that simply reinforces the literal perspective, (mostly), only to rip it down at a later date?

We're talking about a fairly healthy chunk of resources lost...

[DJBare]

I forgot to say, in my first play through with EC, I told Hackett we would wait when heading for cronos, I then headed down to the shuttle bay and sorted out weapons and armor, now here is where it gets strange, I headed back to the lift, but on activating it I found myself in the QEC room talking with Hackett and not at the Shepard's cabin where I was heading.

[Big_Boss9]

HellishFiend wrote...

I just hope that BW confirms it at some point.

Debating the legitimacy of IT aside, I highly doubt Bioware will ever comment on it again in an official capacity.

[Auralius Carolus]

DJBare wrote...

I forgot to say, in my first play through with EC, I told Hackett we would wait when heading for cronos, I then headed down to the shuttle bay and sorted out weapons and armor, now here is where it gets strange, I headed back to the lift, but on activating it I found myself in the QEC room talking with Hackett and not at the Shepard's cabin where I was heading.

Probably a script promting bug.

[HellishFiend]

DJBare wrote...

I forgot to say, in my first play through with EC, I told Hackett we would wait when heading for cronos, I then headed down to the shuttle bay and sorted out weapons and armor, now here is where it gets strange, I headed back to the lift, but on activating it I found myself in the QEC room talking with Hackett and not at the Shepard's cabin where I was heading.

Strange. Why would the EC affect what takes place on the Normandy?