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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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#30801
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Seems the closer I get to the beam in London, the more I hear those whistling sounds that we hear during the Vancouver mission.

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Oh thank the ancients I didn't pop in to see this thread locked.

Just went through my first play of EC, picked Destroy this time and damn if I don't need a cigarette o_o

I'll be back later tonight/tomorrow after running through again/several times and catching up on the past.... 100+ pages I missed.

To those who remained dedicated fans through it all, I salute you!

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OK, I'm tired after playing the EC for several hours. Signing out. Posted Image

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DJBare wrote...

I forgot to say, in my first play through with EC, I told Hackett we would wait when heading for cronos, I then headed down to the shuttle bay and sorted out weapons and armor, now here is where it gets strange, I headed back to the lift, but on activating it I found myself in the QEC room talking with Hackett and not at the Shepard's cabin where I was heading.


That's...

interesting.

Don't give up hope Bare, there's still more weird **** to theorize about.

We could end up being in for the long haul here though.

"How many years did it take for Ridley Scott to confirm Deckard was a replicant? 20?" - Mike Gamble

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401 Kill wrote...

Regaurding the crucible surviving into later cycles he says something like: "Clearly organics are more resourceful than we thought." So yes... The reapers would've been more effective in destroying those records since they relized that information has been passed through the cycles.


You know and that´s a crap, because he said also this: 
We first noted the concept for this desing several cycles ago...
We believed that concept had been eradicated.
But just a cycle ago there was CRUCIBLE they must know about it because Protheans built it and their indoctrinated Collector pals must knew about it same as the Reapers. So if this blueprint survived for bilions years and still could be passed from previous cycle to new one than it´s even hard to believe that Reapers wasn´t defeated loooooong ago.
It was told that Crucible was desinged by Creators, which means that this should be their superweapon against rogue AI which represent the Catalyst, but they failed and loose - only what´t left from them was these information about Crucible.

There is another interesting thing - the Catalyst compare Reapers with fire, in short cut that fire isn´t responsibile for what he has done but just a guy which set that fire. It means that if the Reapers are just a tools than Catalyst has a power over them and could stop them if he wished but he didn´t... he was forcing you to pick from 3 colors and refuse was not in option.

Also Catalyst logic is pretty stinky when you came to his logic:
He should be an AI which was supposed to look after peace and balacne betwen organics and synthetics.

AI which in fact rebeld against Creators and turn them into first Reaper, so it is he which is for all that blame.

Also he mentioned that the first Reaper didn´t approved (in fact he raped them the creators as all these next cycles)

If you said that you rather keep your form -  his answer -  no, You cannot...
If you said that this decision is too big to make on his own, he said SO BE IT! and all was pointless
If your Sheppard shoot hime ... SO BE IT"
Than next crap, synthesis is something which cannot be forced... but Catalyst is right now forcing you to pick from 3 colors and you cannot turn away or you will lose for certain.

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gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Oh thank the ancients I didn't pop in to see this thread locked.

Just went through my first play of EC, picked Destroy this time and damn if I don't need a cigarette o_o

I'll be back later tonight/tomorrow after running through again/several times and catching up on the past.... 100+ pages I missed.

To those who remained dedicated fans through it all, I salute you!


Good to see you. Not much worth catching up on in the last 100 pages, IMO. You might just want to jump straight into the discussion after you get your bearings...

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It's funny that people feel sorry for the Reapers bu tI don't they had there chance at fixing what they had done any time they wanted to, and just because the child get's mad if we refuse it's offer doesn't mean that it was not about breaking the cycle but what is my purpuse in life.

Also why does everyone think contorl and synthesis are good endings.

If you control the Reapers your no better than controling the geth and what't to say that Shepard will slowly fall under neith the power of being a Reaper?

Synthesis you over wright everyone's DNA just like the Collectors were and you know something do you honistly think for a second that if we overwright living things dna it might do more harm than good. Also the reaper ground forces have their lives back but the problam is that they are not them anymore and they have to live like that forever.

And destory is good because it never mentiond or saw any war startd to arises between synthetics and organics do point. Why should we belive what the god child said when it said " you will die" then why is there the breath scenc and why is it that everyone is a peace in the galaxy and are even united. But the best part of Destroy is that it's their future not the Reapers or Shepards but everyons future.

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HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

I forgot to say, in my first play through with EC, I told Hackett we would wait when heading for cronos, I then headed down to the shuttle bay and sorted out weapons and armor, now here is where it gets strange, I headed back to the lift, but on activating it I found myself in the QEC room talking with Hackett and not at the Shepard's cabin where I was heading.


Strange. Why would the EC affect what takes place on the Normandy?

As someone said, it could be a scripting error, but seems a very strange and specific error, just after I tell Hackett we will wait I'm basically forced back into discussion with him, I imagine an error like ending up on the wrong floor, but this and directly to Hackett?, seems strange, we need to see if it can be replicated, I'll try again, but would be nice if others give it a try, go see Hackett first, tell him to wait then use the elevator a couple of times, if it cannot be repeated then we can put it down to a bug.

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

But then comes the issue of practicality: Why on Earth would the Bioware Edmonton team bother with working for 3.5 months on a free DLC that simply reinforces the literal perspective, (mostly), only to rip it down at a later date?

We're talking about a fairly healthy chunk of resources lost...


This is similar to my thoughts. It feels like they designed the EC for people who like the original endings, and they're standing by their artistic vision. i can't see them going back on that now... dunno.

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DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

I forgot to say, in my first play through with EC, I told Hackett we would wait when heading for cronos, I then headed down to the shuttle bay and sorted out weapons and armor, now here is where it gets strange, I headed back to the lift, but on activating it I found myself in the QEC room talking with Hackett and not at the Shepard's cabin where I was heading.


Strange. Why would the EC affect what takes place on the Normandy?

As someone said, it could be a scripting error, but seems a very strange and specific error, just after I tell Hackett we will wait I'm basically forced back into discussion with him, I imagine an error like ending up on the wrong floor, but this and directly to Hackett?, seems strange, we need to see if it can be replicated, I'll try again, but would be nice if others give it a try, go see Hackett first, tell him to wait then use the elevator a couple of times, if it cannot be repeated then we can put it down to a bug.


I'll give it a shot in a few minutes. 

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Arian Dynas wrote...

DJBare wrote...

I forgot to say, in my first play through with EC, I told Hackett we would wait when heading for cronos, I then headed down to the shuttle bay and sorted out weapons and armor, now here is where it gets strange, I headed back to the lift, but on activating it I found myself in the QEC room talking with Hackett and not at the Shepard's cabin where I was heading.


That's...

interesting.

Don't give up hope Bare, there's still more weird **** to theorize about.

We could end up being in for the long haul here though.

"How many years did it take for Ridley Scott to confirm Deckard was a replicant? 20?" - Mike Gamble


I'm not waiting twenty years, Arian. The only reason I'm even touching Bioware, (digitally), is because you guys in this thread. ME3? A Big Fricken Donkey Turd. Except Tali... Tali is still a doll. But the majority is Donkey Poo.

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I hope you guys shut up about IT now.

#30813
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masster blaster wrote...

It's funny that people feel sorry for the Reapers bu tI don't they had there chance at fixing what they had done any time they wanted to, and just because the child get's mad if we refuse it's offer doesn't mean that it was not about breaking the cycle but what is my purpuse in life.

Also why does everyone think contorl and synthesis are good endings.

If you control the Reapers your no better than controling the geth and what't to say that Shepard will slowly fall under neith the power of being a Reaper?

Synthesis you over wright everyone's DNA just like the Collectors were and you know something do you honistly think for a second that if we overwright living things dna it might do more harm than good. Also the reaper ground forces have their lives back but the problam is that they are not them anymore and they have to live like that forever.

And destory is good because it never mentiond or saw any war startd to arises between synthetics and organics do point. Why should we belive what the god child said when it said " you will die" then why is there the breath scenc and why is it that everyone is a peace in the galaxy and are even united. But the best part of Destroy is that it's their future not the Reapers or Shepards but everyons future.


Yep, that's pretty much spot-on, and you're essentially describing the very things I refer to as thematic contradictions. 

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DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

I forgot to say, in my first play through with EC, I told Hackett we would wait when heading for cronos, I then headed down to the shuttle bay and sorted out weapons and armor, now here is where it gets strange, I headed back to the lift, but on activating it I found myself in the QEC room talking with Hackett and not at the Shepard's cabin where I was heading.


Strange. Why would the EC affect what takes place on the Normandy?

As someone said, it could be a scripting error, but seems a very strange and specific error, just after I tell Hackett we will wait I'm basically forced back into discussion with him, I imagine an error like ending up on the wrong floor, but this and directly to Hackett?, seems strange, we need to see if it can be replicated, I'll try again, but would be nice if others give it a try, go see Hackett first, tell him to wait then use the elevator a couple of times, if it cannot be repeated then we can put it down to a bug.


I got the worst kind of bug upon first playing the EC. Game froze on the loading screen to TIM's base. Reset, game loads, no music. Game freezes when trying to pull up the load game menu. Happens 3 times. I was freaking out I thought the EC corrupted my save game files. Couldn't find them on the HD. Try again... and it worked. Geez.

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I have to say it's a lot easier to take Control at face-value now, that being the path of the ultimate sacrifice for galactic peace and goodness.

But.. house.. on Rannoch..

Teehee

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Like the sig says. ;)

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Auralius Carolus wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

DJBare wrote...

I forgot to say, in my first play through with EC, I told Hackett we would wait when heading for cronos, I then headed down to the shuttle bay and sorted out weapons and armor, now here is where it gets strange, I headed back to the lift, but on activating it I found myself in the QEC room talking with Hackett and not at the Shepard's cabin where I was heading.


That's...

interesting.

Don't give up hope Bare, there's still more weird **** to theorize about.

We could end up being in for the long haul here though.

"How many years did it take for Ridley Scott to confirm Deckard was a replicant? 20?" - Mike Gamble


I'm not waiting twenty years, Arian. The only reason I'm even touching Bioware, (digitally), is because you guys in this thread. ME3? A Big Fricken Donkey Turd. Except Tali... Tali is still a doll. But the majority is Donkey Poo.

The Chinchillas Agree




Nah ME3 is not a turd. It had some of the most emotionally loaded moments I have ever experienced and your tiem spent with the squad in ME2 could be flet as you wanted to meet and help these people and you felt sad if they died...

The ending is what is so terrible about ME3, I simply cannot fathom how the rest of the game could be so good and they drop the ball like that in the final part. IT is my only hope in that regard.

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masster blaster wrote...

It's funny that people feel sorry for the Reapers bu tI don't they had there chance at fixing what they had done any time they wanted to, and just because the child get's mad if we refuse it's offer doesn't mean that it was not about breaking the cycle but what is my purpuse in life.

Also why does everyone think contorl and synthesis are good endings.

If you control the Reapers your no better than controling the geth and what't to say that Shepard will slowly fall under neith the power of being a Reaper?

Synthesis you over wright everyone's DNA just like the Collectors were and you know something do you honistly think for a second that if we overwright living things dna it might do more harm than good. Also the reaper ground forces have their lives back but the problam is that they are not them anymore and they have to live like that forever.

And destory is good because it never mentiond or saw any war startd to arises between synthetics and organics do point. Why should we belive what the god child said when it said " you will die" then why is there the breath scenc and why is it that everyone is a peace in the galaxy and are even united. But the best part of Destroy is that it's their future not the Reapers or Shepards but everyons future.


That synthesis husk.... :sick:

#30819
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HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

DJBare wrote...

I forgot to say, in my first play through with EC, I told Hackett we would wait when heading for cronos, I then headed down to the shuttle bay and sorted out weapons and armor, now here is where it gets strange, I headed back to the lift, but on activating it I found myself in the QEC room talking with Hackett and not at the Shepard's cabin where I was heading.


Strange. Why would the EC affect what takes place on the Normandy?

As someone said, it could be a scripting error, but seems a very strange and specific error, just after I tell Hackett we will wait I'm basically forced back into discussion with him, I imagine an error like ending up on the wrong floor, but this and directly to Hackett?, seems strange, we need to see if it can be replicated, I'll try again, but would be nice if others give it a try, go see Hackett first, tell him to wait then use the elevator a couple of times, if it cannot be repeated then we can put it down to a bug.


I'll give it a shot in a few minutes. 


Ok, I loaded up the autosave, went to Cronos, told Hackett to wait, went down to the shuttle bay, activated all the benches once, then went up to Shepard's cabin. It did not send me to the QEC room. 

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Starbuck8 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

It's funny that people feel sorry for the Reapers bu tI don't they had there chance at fixing what they had done any time they wanted to, and just because the child get's mad if we refuse it's offer doesn't mean that it was not about breaking the cycle but what is my purpuse in life.

Also why does everyone think contorl and synthesis are good endings.

If you control the Reapers your no better than controling the geth and what't to say that Shepard will slowly fall under neith the power of being a Reaper?

Synthesis you over wright everyone's DNA just like the Collectors were and you know something do you honistly think for a second that if we overwright living things dna it might do more harm than good. Also the reaper ground forces have their lives back but the problam is that they are not them anymore and they have to live like that forever.

And destory is good because it never mentiond or saw any war startd to arises between synthetics and organics do point. Why should we belive what the god child said when it said " you will die" then why is there the breath scenc and why is it that everyone is a peace in the galaxy and are even united. But the best part of Destroy is that it's their future not the Reapers or Shepards but everyons future.


That synthesis husk.... :sick:


I should totally get a screengrab of synthesis husk and set it as my avatar. :lol:

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Was kinda wtf when soldiers running were getting one shotted left and right but nothing happens for the entire rescue at what might be called, uh, point blank range for that huge machine

yeah solving the crew getting on the ship was greater

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HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

It's funny that people feel sorry for the Reapers bu tI don't they had there chance at fixing what they had done any time they wanted to, and just because the child get's mad if we refuse it's offer doesn't mean that it was not about breaking the cycle but what is my purpuse in life.

Also why does everyone think contorl and synthesis are good endings.

If you control the Reapers your no better than controling the geth and what't to say that Shepard will slowly fall under neith the power of being a Reaper?

Synthesis you over wright everyone's DNA just like the Collectors were and you know something do you honistly think for a second that if we overwright living things dna it might do more harm than good. Also the reaper ground forces have their lives back but the problam is that they are not them anymore and they have to live like that forever.

And destory is good because it never mentiond or saw any war startd to arises between synthetics and organics do point. Why should we belive what the god child said when it said " you will die" then why is there the breath scenc and why is it that everyone is a peace in the galaxy and are even united. But the best part of Destroy is that it's their future not the Reapers or Shepards but everyons future.


That synthesis husk.... :sick:


I should totally get a screengrab of synthesis husk and set it as my avatar. :lol:


Lol no! :unsure: :lol:

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So guys I don't know if anyone else felt the same way but I fee (and this was on my first playthrough as well as now) that harbinger was looking directly at me and the normandy and wasn't shooting. when the normandy flies away it seems like those lights are just focused in on the ship

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Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

That synthesis husk.... :sick:


I should totally get a screengrab of synthesis husk and set it as my avatar. :lol:


Lol no! :unsure: :lol:


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Awww yeah!

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HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Starbuck8 wrote...

That synthesis husk.... :sick:


I should totally get a screengrab of synthesis husk and set it as my avatar. :lol:


Lol no! :unsure: :lol:


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Awww yeah!


Ohhh my god thats horrible! hahaha