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[TSA_383]

Bill Casey wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Still, did any of us ever come up with anything Javik-related as evidence for IT? I cant recall anything.

Nice find...

[paxxton]

TJBartlemus wrote...

I posted this in a discussion and then on my own thread earlier and I want your take on this.

Here is my take on it, which is up for debate, but the catalyst is effectively the leader of the reapers or at least part of them (he admits this by saying "I know you've thought about destroying us.") and when he is talking to Shepard he takes on the form of the child that has been haunting him. The only way to take that form is to have taken it from shepards head. So even if the theory isn't true (which I believe it is) the reapers were in shepards head. No doubt. Also what I found weird was that there was no final boss at the end of Mass Effect 3 like the end of the first 2. Why would they change now? My idea is that they haven't released the full game,and they have been working on this dlc or at least planning it for longer than they have said. A few extra scenes and more explanation wouldn't take 2 months and counting.

You had a final boss of sorts (TIM). You just didn't fight him with guns but with words. Your reward for defeating TIM is the Catalyst scene and a difficult choice.  Ah, and a colored ending cinematic.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 mai 2012 - 08:29 .

[Sero303]

Unrelated, but someone told me, not sure how true it is, but it sounds funny. But supposedly When Casey Hudson walked into a coffee shop or something like that, somebody stood up and yelled "indoctrinated presence detected" and ran out...am I the only one who would have loved to see that?

[DJBare]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Ok, at least from after the Reaper lazWOOOr, the kid isn't real anymore, since someone suddenly disappearing after you look in away and then back again is a thing used in movies.
Also, if a young kid tells you "you can't help me", you know that thing ain't a kid.

And can be translated,
Harbinger: You cannot win Shepard!
Everything about the kid seems to be a morale attack on Shepard, most notably in Shepard's dreams, it's not whether the player feels anything about the kid, but more what the kid represents, futility.

[Bill Casey]

If IT is correct, the final boss was Reaper indoctrination...

[Sero303]

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I posted this in a discussion and then on my own thread earlier and I want your take on this.

Here is my take on it, which is up for debate, but the catalyst is effectively the leader of the reapers or at least part of them (he admits this by saying "I know you've thought about destroying us.") and when he is talking to Shepard he takes on the form of the child that has been haunting him. The only way to take that form is to have taken it from shepards head. So even if the theory isn't true (which I believe it is) the reapers were in shepards head. No doubt. Also what I found weird was that there was no final boss at the end of Mass Effect 3 like the end of the first 2. Why would they change now? My idea is that they haven't released the full game,and they have been working on this dlc or at least planning it for longer than they have said. A few extra scenes and more explanation wouldn't take 2 months and counting.

You had a final boss of sorts (TIM). You just didn't fight him with guns but with words. Your reward for defeating TIM is the Catalyst scene and 3 difficult choices.

Yea because George Washignton, Abe Lincoln, and of course Master Cheif all used there words to beat their respected enemies...what is this the 3rd grade?

[paxxton]

Sero303 wrote...

Unrelated, but someone told me, not sure how true it is, but it sounds funny. But supposedly When Casey Hudson walked into a coffee shop or something like that, somebody stood up and yelled "indoctrinated presence detected" and ran out...am I the only one who would have loved to see that?

LOL. This hurts him.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 mai 2012 - 08:42 .

[TSA_383]

Sero303 wrote...

Unrelated, but someone told me, not sure how true it is, but it sounds funny. But supposedly When Casey Hudson walked into a coffee shop or something like that, somebody stood up and yelled "indoctrinated presence detected" and ran out...am I the only one who would have loved to see that?

More for the faces on the other patrons who have no idea what the **** just transpired.
although I very much suspect that's a story someone made up

[RADIUMEYEZ]

Sero303 wrote...

Unrelated, but someone told me, not sure how true it is, but it sounds funny. But supposedly When Casey Hudson walked into a coffee shop or something like that, somebody stood up and yelled "indoctrinated presence detected" and ran out...am I the only one who would have loved to see that?

If that is true I want to meet the person who stood up and yelled that.  I want to shake their hand and buy them a drink.

[paxxton]

Sero303 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I posted this in a discussion and then on my own thread earlier and I want your take on this.

Here is my take on it, which is up for debate, but the catalyst is effectively the leader of the reapers or at least part of them (he admits this by saying "I know you've thought about destroying us.") and when he is talking to Shepard he takes on the form of the child that has been haunting him. The only way to take that form is to have taken it from shepards head. So even if the theory isn't true (which I believe it is) the reapers were in shepards head. No doubt. Also what I found weird was that there was no final boss at the end of Mass Effect 3 like the end of the first 2. Why would they change now? My idea is that they haven't released the full game,and they have been working on this dlc or at least planning it for longer than they have said. A few extra scenes and more explanation wouldn't take 2 months and counting.

You had a final boss of sorts (TIM). You just didn't fight him with guns but with words. Your reward for defeating TIM is the Catalyst scene and 3 difficult choices.

Yea because George Washignton, Abe Lincoln, and of course Master Cheif all used there words to beat their respected enemies...what is this the 3rd grade?

Seriously, fighting with words is more challenging than shooting guns. It actually takes brains to be successful. So don't say it's for 3rd graders. Whether the "fight" with TIM was sufficiently elaborate is another thing.

[MaximizedAction]

Sero303 wrote...

Unrelated, but someone told me, not sure how true it is, but it sounds funny. But supposedly When Casey Hudson walked into a coffee shop or something like that, somebody stood up and yelled "indoctrinated presence detected" and ran out...am I the only one who would have loved to see that?

OMG, this is gold!

[RavenEyry]

Sero303 wrote...

Unrelated, but someone told me, not sure how true it is, but it sounds funny. But supposedly When Casey Hudson walked into a coffee shop or something like that, somebody stood up and yelled "indoctrinated presence detected" and ran out...am I the only one who would have loved to see that?

I must commend them for their restraint.

[DJBare]

paxxton wrote...
Seriously, fighting with words is more challenging than shooting guns. It actually takes brains to be successful. So don't say it's for 3rd graders. Whether the "fight" with TIM was sufficiently elaborate is another thing.

While I agree that fighting with words is more challenging and certainly better than all out war, it does not really translate well in the ME universe, Shepard is up against agressors that have no real interest in talking except to tell you they are going to ascend you whether you like it or not, they are reapers and we are the harvest, they have the same interest in us as we have in the wheat fields that we harvest.

[TJBartlemus]

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I posted this in a discussion and then on my own thread earlier and I want your take on this.

Here is my take on it, which is up for debate, but the catalyst is effectively the leader of the reapers or at least part of them (he admits this by saying "I know you've thought about destroying us.") and when he is talking to Shepard he takes on the form of the child that has been haunting him. The only way to take that form is to have taken it from shepards head. So even if the theory isn't true (which I believe it is) the reapers were in shepards head. No doubt. Also what I found weird was that there was no final boss at the end of Mass Effect 3 like the end of the first 2. Why would they change now? My idea is that they haven't released the full game,and they have been working on this dlc or at least planning it for longer than they have said. A few extra scenes and more explanation wouldn't take 2 months and counting.

You had a final boss of sorts (TIM). You just didn't fight him with guns but with words. Your reward for defeating TIM is the Catalyst scene and a difficult choice.  Ah, and a colored ending cinematic.

In Mass Effect 1 you did a similar thing with saren in which he could suicide. Almost the exact same thing happens with TIM except afterward he didn't get up and attack you. Which seems wierd cause if he was indoctrinated and upgraded just like saren why wouldn't the reapers know Shepard was near the catalyst or stop him from getting there? Oh wait....unless they wanted to get him there. 

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I posted this in a discussion and then on my own thread earlier and I want your take on this.

Here is my take on it, which is up for debate, but the catalyst is effectively the leader of the reapers or at least part of them (he admits this by saying "I know you've thought about destroying us.") and when he is talking to Shepard he takes on the form of the child that has been haunting him. The only way to take that form is to have taken it from shepards head. So even if the theory isn't true (which I believe it is) the reapers were in shepards head. No doubt. Also what I found weird was that there was no final boss at the end of Mass Effect 3 like the end of the first 2. Why would they change now? My idea is that they haven't released the full game,and they have been working on this dlc or at least planning it for longer than they have said. A few extra scenes and more explanation wouldn't take 2 months and counting.

You had a final boss of sorts (TIM). You just didn't fight him with guns but with words. Your reward for defeating TIM is the Catalyst scene and 3 difficult choices.

Yea because George Washignton, Abe Lincoln, and of course Master Cheif all used there words to beat their respected enemies...what is this the 3rd grade?

Seriously, fighting with words is more challenging than shooting guns. It actually takes brains to be successful. So don't say it's for 3rd graders. Whether the "fight" with TIM was sufficiently elaborate is another thing.

Yeah here came into play what I really didn't like much about ME in general and DA2: You always knew you selected answer x and y happens. Or more precise: select top left for paragon answer -> good stuff happens.
In DAO it was fabulous where you had to think which of the up to six answers is the best. There were about two occurences where the answer bottom right was "better", for for example saving Kelly. But was it really? I mean having her shot by Cerberus is pretty bad, but if the Citadel was indeed captured by the Reapers she gets to experience what gives her nightmares all over again.

[Bill Casey]

Sero303 wrote...

Yea because George Washignton, Abe Lincoln, and of course Master Cheif all used there words to beat their respected enemies...what is this the 3rd grade?

Abraham Lincoln did use words...
You think he was on the battlefield?

He was the mother****ing president...

[MegumiAzusa]

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I posted this in a discussion and then on my own thread earlier and I want your take on this.

Here is my take on it, which is up for debate, but the catalyst is effectively the leader of the reapers or at least part of them (he admits this by saying "I know you've thought about destroying us.") and when he is talking to Shepard he takes on the form of the child that has been haunting him. The only way to take that form is to have taken it from shepards head. So even if the theory isn't true (which I believe it is) the reapers were in shepards head. No doubt. Also what I found weird was that there was no final boss at the end of Mass Effect 3 like the end of the first 2. Why would they change now? My idea is that they haven't released the full game,and they have been working on this dlc or at least planning it for longer than they have said. A few extra scenes and more explanation wouldn't take 2 months and counting.

You had a final boss of sorts (TIM). You just didn't fight him with guns but with words. Your reward for defeating TIM is the Catalyst scene and a difficult choice.  Ah, and a colored ending cinematic.

In Mass Effect 1 you did a similar thing with saren in which he could suicide. Almost the exact same thing happens with TIM except afterward he didn't get up and attack you. Which seems wierd cause if he was indoctrinated and upgraded just like saren why wouldn't the reapers know Shepard was near the catalyst or stop him from getting there? Oh wait....unless they wanted to get him there.

Another point: kill the Queen in ME1, save it in ME3: result would be the Reapers know of the Crucible and where it's been built but do nothing about it.

[liggy002]

DJBare wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Seriously, fighting with words is more challenging than shooting guns. It actually takes brains to be successful. So don't say it's for 3rd graders. Whether the "fight" with TIM was sufficiently elaborate is another thing.

While I agree that fighting with words is more challenging and certainly better than all out war, it does not really translate well in the ME universe, Shepard is up against agressors that have no real interest in talking except to tell you they are going to ascend you whether you like it or not, they are reapers and we are the harvest, they have the same interest in us as we have in the wheat fields that we harvest.

Also, I might add here that just because it is a physical battle does not mean that it doesn't require brains to execute succesfully.  I have ran across some rather thoughtful boss battles such as the one against the Kayran in TW2.

[Arian Dynas]

liggy002 wrote...

DJBare wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Seriously, fighting with words is more challenging than shooting guns. It actually takes brains to be successful. So don't say it's for 3rd graders. Whether the "fight" with TIM was sufficiently elaborate is another thing.

While I agree that fighting with words is more challenging and certainly better than all out war, it does not really translate well in the ME universe, Shepard is up against agressors that have no real interest in talking except to tell you they are going to ascend you whether you like it or not, they are reapers and we are the harvest, they have the same interest in us as we have in the wheat fields that we harvest.

Also, I might add here that just because it is a physical battle does not mean that it doesn't require brains to execute succesfully.  I have ran across some rather thoughtful boss battles such as the one against the Kayran in TW2.

BEats the hell out of the classic bright blue ****-me-here lights you usually see

[paxxton]

DJBare wrote...

paxxton wrote...
Seriously, fighting with words is more challenging than shooting guns. It actually takes brains to be successful. So don't say it's for 3rd graders. Whether the "fight" with TIM was sufficiently elaborate is another thing.

While I agree that fighting with words is more challenging and certainly better than all out war, it does not really translate well in the ME universe, Shepard is up against agressors that have no real interest in talking except to tell you they are going to ascend you whether you like it or not, they are reapers and we are the harvest, they have the same interest in us as we have in the wheat fields that we harvest.

Words would do with TIM. As for the Reapers, well, guns are very effective for destroying their physical shells.
I liked the TIM/Anderson scene because it didn't involve dumb shooting in all directions and you got an impression of an intelligent confrontation.

Modifié par paxxton, 19 mai 2012 - 08:52 .

[RavenEyry]

paxxton wrote...

Words would do with TIM. As for the Reapers, well, guns are very effective for destroying their physical shells.
I liked the TIM/Anderson scene because it didn't involve dumb shooting in all directions and you got an impression of an intelligent confrontation.

Yup, Martin Sheen'll do that. Don't you just want to lean back and... listen?

[paxxton]

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I posted this in a discussion and then on my own thread earlier and I want your take on this.

Here is my take on it, which is up for debate, but the catalyst is effectively the leader of the reapers or at least part of them (he admits this by saying "I know you've thought about destroying us.") and when he is talking to Shepard he takes on the form of the child that has been haunting him. The only way to take that form is to have taken it from shepards head. So even if the theory isn't true (which I believe it is) the reapers were in shepards head. No doubt. Also what I found weird was that there was no final boss at the end of Mass Effect 3 like the end of the first 2. Why would they change now? My idea is that they haven't released the full game,and they have been working on this dlc or at least planning it for longer than they have said. A few extra scenes and more explanation wouldn't take 2 months and counting.

You had a final boss of sorts (TIM). You just didn't fight him with guns but with words. Your reward for defeating TIM is the Catalyst scene and a difficult choice.  Ah, and a colored ending cinematic.

In Mass Effect 1 you did a similar thing with saren in which he could suicide. Almost the exact same thing happens with TIM except afterward he didn't get up and attack you. Which seems wierd cause if he was indoctrinated and upgraded just like saren why wouldn't the reapers know Shepard was near the catalyst or stop him from getting there? Oh wait....unless they wanted to get him there.

Another point: kill the Queen in ME1, save it in ME3: result would be the Reapers know of the Crucible and where it's been built but do nothing about it.

I think the Rachni hybrid in ME3 states that it is not a queen.

[Cyberfrog81]

For those still interested in this issue, I have independently verified that the Carnifex/Predator thing (can) also happen(s) in the very bad destroy ending (earth vaporized):
http://youtu.be/y9GM8ax2Tys?hd=1

Uses flycam and engine slowdown (by binding the command "slomo 0.1"). Citadel Thing (rude for the occasion) also presented "Control" though.

DJBare wrote...

That reminds of the scene where you see the child entering a security locked door, then the building is all but destroyed, that blast was huge and an air duct is the last place you want to be, the concussion wave and heat would have been forced through the air ducts before the glass blew out reducing the pressure.

He also next "disappears" without a sound. Soon after that scene, Liara is shown making a lot of noise in another duct. Coincidence or clue?

Modifié par Cyberfrog81, 19 mai 2012 - 09:02 .

[MegumiAzusa]

paxxton wrote...

MegumiAzusa wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

I posted this in a discussion and then on my own thread earlier and I want your take on this.

Here is my take on it, which is up for debate, but the catalyst is effectively the leader of the reapers or at least part of them (he admits this by saying "I know you've thought about destroying us.") and when he is talking to Shepard he takes on the form of the child that has been haunting him. The only way to take that form is to have taken it from shepards head. So even if the theory isn't true (which I believe it is) the reapers were in shepards head. No doubt. Also what I found weird was that there was no final boss at the end of Mass Effect 3 like the end of the first 2. Why would they change now? My idea is that they haven't released the full game,and they have been working on this dlc or at least planning it for longer than they have said. A few extra scenes and more explanation wouldn't take 2 months and counting.

You had a final boss of sorts (TIM). You just didn't fight him with guns but with words. Your reward for defeating TIM is the Catalyst scene and a difficult choice.  Ah, and a colored ending cinematic.

In Mass Effect 1 you did a similar thing with saren in which he could suicide. Almost the exact same thing happens with TIM except afterward he didn't get up and attack you. Which seems wierd cause if he was indoctrinated and upgraded just like saren why wouldn't the reapers know Shepard was near the catalyst or stop him from getting there? Oh wait....unless they wanted to get him there.

Another point: kill the Queen in ME1, save it in ME3: result would be the Reapers know of the Crucible and where it's been built but do nothing about it.

I think the Rachni hybrid in ME3 states that it is not a queen.

Doesn't matter, the Reapers control the Rachni going to support the Crucible, meaning the Reapers then know of the location.

[RavenEyry]

DJBare wrote...

That reminds of the scene where you see the child entering a security locked door, then the building is all but destroyed, that blast was huge and an air duct is the last place you want to be, the concussion wave and heat would have been forced through the air ducts before the glass blew out reducing the pressure.

It's that bit that clinched the kid being a trick for me. In a really easy to miss moment, it shows that the kid has been very likely killed, yet he appears in the vent completely unharmed and says creepy things, before dissapearing with a moan.