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[HellishFiend]

plfranke wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I'm sorry, but I'm really hearing "save us."
The way it happens makes it look like he's resisting the command to destroy Shepard and the Normandy, then takes a deep breath and says "save us" before giving in and zapping shep, though probably in as much of a restrained fashion as he can, as Shepard survives.

Based on what I read about the Leviathan DLC, the Reapers don't necessarily want to do what they're doing, but are forced, and can break free, apparently. Maybe Harbinger was reaching out to Shep for help...

Please dont tell me you'd be ok with that... That's the kind of plot twist that would belong in the rejected manuscript of a teenage fiction high school plot where the bully is secretly trying to make a new best friend by kicking him in the balls repeatedly. 

I don't know hellish are you telling me you wouldn't like an ending where harbinger is your flagship and you and him have to face off against the fat kid. because I would gladly team up with harbinger to kill the catalyst. but that's probably just because I love harbinger and am heartbroken that they destroyed his character

I dunno, I feel BW is better than resorting to the overused "teaming up with the bad guy to beat the real bad guy", or "enemy turned ally" plot twist. It almost always feels contrived regardless of the storytelling medium. It's sad too because I think it can be a very compelling way of developing a character if executed properly around the midway point of a story. But most of the time, it isnt done well. I dont think they could find an elegant way of turning Harby into an ally. 

[Arian Dynas]

Fellish, I want you to know it really REALLY hurts to see you so broken.

[HellishFiend]

Big Bad wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Dusen wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I wouldnt. The new EC endings are even larger thematic travesties than the on-disc endings. If you just want superficial closure, fine, I guess the new literal endings are minimally acceptable. But if you care at all about themes, plots, and cohesive storytelling, as I do, the new literal endings are puke-worthy. 

I would definitely have to agree with you here. I cannot fathom why everyone is so happy with the current EC, but I'm just glad they can enjoy it and I wish I could as well. . . sadly, it still left me cringing. Of course it was free (can't complain there!) and it's just my opinion. . . I truly am glad that others can enjoy it, and I bear no ill feeling towards them for doing so.

Be glad you cant enjoy it, actually. It means you have taste when it comes to proper literature. If everyone was able to enjoy the likes of what the EC does to ME's overarching themes and plots, then AAA titles would be little more than overpriced arcade games. 

I feel that it's pretty dickish to say that people who liked the EC (or the original endings) simply don't understand the series, but I kind of feel like it's true.  Maybe I'm just a dick.

Well its like I said, if you're fine with superficial closure, there is nothing wrong with consuming and enjoying the contents of the EC. But you have to realize that's what youre getting. Superficial closure. It turns the overarching plots and themes of ME trilogy into something mediocre and pedestrian at best, and a complete waste of time at worst. 

[Big Bad]

Arian - Your letter was very good. I hope Gamble responds.

Modifié par Big Bad, 27 juin 2012 - 07:57 .

[Humakt83]

I ask again: Did anyone else notice the alarming amount of Reaper noises during final Mako ride?

Modifié par Humakt83, 27 juin 2012 - 07:57 .

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...


I dunno, I feel BW is better than resorting to the overused "teaming up with the bad guy to beat the real bad guy", or "enemy turned ally" plot twist.

So, did you play some version of ME1 where the geth were on your side?

[Andromidius]

Big Bad wrote...
I feel that it's pretty dickish to say that people who liked the EC (or the original endings) simply don't understand the series, but I kind of feel like it's true.  Maybe I'm just a dick.

I'd be more tempted to say that people who liked the EC were blinded by the tinsel thrown over their favourite choice.

Someone who liked Control, for example, is going to feel great since they got to see Reapers working together to rebuild the Citadel and Mass Relays.  And then completely ignore that what 'Shepard' is saying goes against everything Shepard has been saying for nearly 100 hours of gameplay, and that the big evil bad guys have suddenly been made into the heroes who guard the galaxy?

Erm.  Okay.  Totally makes sense there.

[Arian Dynas]

Big Bad wrote...

Arian - Your letter was very good. I hope Gamble responds.

I hope so too.

He should be on, he responded to something three hours ago according to his feed.

Expect something tomorrow.

Even a response that just says; "We have neither confirmed nor denied Indoctrination Theory" would be enough for me.

[Big Bad]

Ok, folks it's way past my bedtime. I feel like we took a pretty bad blow today, but maybe things will start looking up again in the morning...g'night all!

[HellishFiend]

Humakt83 wrote...

I ask again: Did anyone else notice the alarming amount of Reaper noises during final Mako ride?

I in fact did not notice that... I'll keep an ear out for it next time. 

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Well said Arian, with that later. You done good child, I'm proud of you.

By the way, did not know Gamble had an account BSN that's interesting to learn. Hope he response in some way, maybe in a random tweet.

[byne]

Big Bad wrote...

Ok, folks it's way past my bedtime. I feel like we took a pretty bad blow today, but maybe things will start looking up again in the morning...g'night all!

I dont see why you feel like that.

[Arian Dynas]

Oh and Byne? I cackled. 

I'm feeling better.

Modifié par Arian Dynas, 27 juin 2012 - 08:00 .

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


I dunno, I feel BW is better than resorting to the overused "teaming up with the bad guy to beat the real bad guy", or "enemy turned ally" plot twist.

So, did you play some version of ME1 where the geth were on your side?

You must have missed the point of my post. I was referring to the very end of a storyline. I even specified that it is a very compelling development at the midway point of a story.

Remind me which game in the trilogy did Legion come into the story?

Also, its not cool to cut out parts of a quote so you can wield it out of context to try and make someone look silly. 

Modifié par HellishFiend, 27 juin 2012 - 08:01 .

[plfranke]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


I dunno, I feel BW is better than resorting to the overused "teaming up with the bad guy to beat the real bad guy", or "enemy turned ally" plot twist.

So, did you play some version of ME1 where the geth were on your side?

I think the difference is Harbinger has directly tried to kill you and talked smack to you. As a great Reaper might say "He directed it personally"

[gunslinger_ruiz]

byne wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Ok, folks it's way past my bedtime. I feel like we took a pretty bad blow today, but maybe things will start looking up again in the morning...g'night all!

I dont see why you feel like that.

Feels kinda like it did before actually, just with more cutscens more questions and more things to specualte on. And I guess more borderline-troll posts.... but y'know, aside from that still feel the need for theorizing and speculating.

[Andromidius]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


I dunno, I feel BW is better than resorting to the overused "teaming up with the bad guy to beat the real bad guy", or "enemy turned ally" plot twist.

So, did you play some version of ME1 where the geth were on your side?

To be fair, Legion was never Shepard's enemy.  Only the Heretics were.

But yeah, one case is fine since there's a greyness to it.  Teaming up with Reapers would reduce everyone involved and ruin the whole story surrounding the horrors they've inflicted on the galaxy time and time again.

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


I dunno, I feel BW is better than resorting to the overused "teaming up with the bad guy to beat the real bad guy", or "enemy turned ally" plot twist.

*snip*

So, did you play some version of ME1 where the geth were on your side?

You must have missed the point of my post. I was referring to the very end of a storyline. I even specified that it is a very compelling development at the midway point of a story.

Remind me which game in the trilogy did Legion come into the story?

Also, its not cool to cut out parts of a quote so you can wield it out of context to try and make someone look silly. 

You're so serious tonight Hellish! I was just messing with you.

I hereby give you permission to find any quote of mine, snip out whatever you want, and have it make me look as silly as possible. You can even snip out entire words, leaving single letters behind, and smush them together to form new words if you wish.

Modifié par byne, 27 juin 2012 - 08:04 .

[Turbo_J]

HellishFiend wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Dusen wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

I wouldnt. The new EC endings are even larger thematic travesties than the on-disc endings. If you just want superficial closure, fine, I guess the new literal endings are minimally acceptable. But if you care at all about themes, plots, and cohesive storytelling, as I do, the new literal endings are puke-worthy. 

I would definitely have to agree with you here. I cannot fathom why everyone is so happy with the current EC, but I'm just glad they can enjoy it and I wish I could as well. . . sadly, it still left me cringing. Of course it was free (can't complain there!) and it's just my opinion. . . I truly am glad that others can enjoy it, and I bear no ill feeling towards them for doing so.

Be glad you cant enjoy it, actually. It means you have taste when it comes to proper literature. If everyone was able to enjoy the likes of what the EC does to ME's overarching themes and plots, then AAA titles would be little more than overpriced arcade games. 

I feel that it's pretty dickish to say that people who liked the EC (or the original endings) simply don't understand the series, but I kind of feel like it's true.  Maybe I'm just a dick.

Well its like I said, if you're fine with superficial closure, there is nothing wrong with consuming and enjoying the contents of the EC. But you have to realize that's what youre getting. Superficial closure. It turns the overarching plots and themes of ME trilogy into something mediocre and pedestrian at best, and a complete waste of time at worst. 

Not to mention affecting replayability and nullifying the desire to spend a dime on any mid game DLC. Why would I bother when it had no affect on the story outcome?

I just don't think they would do that, unless, like I said before, Bioware is trying to end their own story. Permanently.

[FellishBeast]

I appreciate your concern, Arian. It'll take time for me to process this, but I'll come around, hopefully. 

I hate to go all literalist on you guys. I don't want to accept it, but I just want Mass Effect to be complete. I want the story over. I have to assess whether or not one of the current endings can effectively end it for me...

I'm gonna wager a guess and say no, though, as a literal interpretation claims we were the bad guys all along, no matter what anyone might say to the contrary...<_<

I don't want to look back and find out that the entire game we were delaying the Reapers so that we could finish the Crucible and find a new solution. Because that seems to be the point of the game.

[HellishFiend]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


I dunno, I feel BW is better than resorting to the overused "teaming up with the bad guy to beat the real bad guy", or "enemy turned ally" plot twist.

*snip*

So, did you play some version of ME1 where the geth were on your side?

You must have missed the point of my post. I was referring to the very end of a storyline. I even specified that it is a very compelling development at the midway point of a story.

Remind me which game in the trilogy did Legion come into the story?

Also, its not cool to cut out parts of a quote so you can wield it out of context to try and make someone look silly. 

You're so serious tonight Hellish! I was just messing with you.

Sorry, under different circumstances I might have realized you were joking, but I'm still tired from my editing marathon and somewhat strained from the emotional jerking we received from the EC. I apologize. 

[plfranke]

Andromidius wrote...

Big Bad wrote...
I feel that it's pretty dickish to say that people who liked the EC (or the original endings) simply don't understand the series, but I kind of feel like it's true.  Maybe I'm just a dick.

I'd be more tempted to say that people who liked the EC were blinded by the tinsel thrown over their favourite choice.

Someone who liked Control, for example, is going to feel great since they got to see Reapers working together to rebuild the Citadel and Mass Relays.  And then completely ignore that what 'Shepard' is saying goes against everything Shepard has been saying for nearly 100 hours of gameplay, and that the big evil bad guys have suddenly been made into the heroes who guard the galaxy?

Erm.  Okay.  Totally makes sense there.

Truth be told this was exactly what I was thinking at first. I was looking at the reapers rebuilding the mass relays and I was thinking "This is freaking awesome!" and there's just enough element of truth like when Shepard is talking about how he'll always watch over his friends to keep the gamer satisfied. However, when he said "There's wisdom in controlling your enemies" I knew he wasn't my Shepard anymore. I didn't control for power I did it to save the Geth and protect people but I could see that he had fallen.

[byne]

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


I dunno, I feel BW is better than resorting to the overused "teaming up with the bad guy to beat the real bad guy", or "enemy turned ally" plot twist.

*snip*

So, did you play some version of ME1 where the geth were on your side?

You must have missed the point of my post. I was referring to the very end of a storyline. I even specified that it is a very compelling development at the midway point of a story.

Remind me which game in the trilogy did Legion come into the story?

Also, its not cool to cut out parts of a quote so you can wield it out of context to try and make someone look silly. 

You're so serious tonight Hellish! I was just messing with you.

Sorry, under different circumstances I might have realized you were joking, but I'm still tired from my editing marathon and somewhat strained from the emotional jerking we received from the EC. I apologize. 

No need to apologize, its all good.

[FellishBeast]

Humakt83 wrote...

I ask again: Did anyone else notice the alarming amount of Reaper noises during final Mako ride?

No.

[boeloe]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


I dunno, I feel BW is better than resorting to the overused "teaming up with the bad guy to beat the real bad guy", or "enemy turned ally" plot twist.

So, did you play some version of ME1 where the geth were on your side?

Just to be complete:

In Throne of Bhaal you resurrect Sarevok to fight at your side. In Dragon Age you can let Loghain join you. And in ME2 you team up with Cerberus. Seems Bioware uses this plot device a lot.