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[Auralius Carolus]

byne wrote...

Ok, so, what I want all of you to figure out after I go to bed is when the breath scene takes place. It cant be too long after the battle, because even Shepard cant survive for days bleeding heavily with no food, water, or medical care.

If it isnt too long after the battle, surely someone would have found her and gotten her medical care. The news that Shepard had been located wouldnt stay a secret. It would be a cause of widespread celebration.

Hackett is still in the Sol system, I believe. Word would have gotten to him. I really dont see this taking more than a week or so, max.

Hackett has a QEC linked with the Normandy. When he got word that Shepard was found alive, he would have contacted them to let them know.

We see the Normandy crew standing by a memorial wall, about to put Shepard's name up, but dont, presumably thinking she might still be alive. They clearly dont know Shepard has been found at this point, but they then take off in a fixed Normandy.

So even if you wanted to argue the QEC was damaged, it likely would have been the first thing they fixed when they started working on repairs. This Normandy fixed scene seems to take place after the rebuilding of the Citadel, so even if you wanted to say Shep was there, and not London, she would have been found by then.

So, please, if you can, pinpoint exactly at what time the breath scene takes place.

The EC seems to have strengthened the idea that the breath scene took place after the Normandy crash, and it seems to have even taken place after the entire epilogue, which only strengthens IT. To me at least.

Well, here's the thing: the Breath Scene, being shown after everything else- and I'm 99.9% sure of this- is being used as a teaser, not as a chronological reference. To show it earlier simply would not have the dramatic appeal.

Now, as to time lapsed, some of the images we see are likely a few years in the making: rebuilt Citadel, rebuilt Normandy, Quarians in rebuilt cities, Krogan with toddlers... and it's all just too squeeky clean and fairy-tale like... on one hand, the odds of BW investing resources to reinforce a "false" ending is all but nonsensical; on the other, so is the notion that the Relays and Citadel could be rebuilt given how little is known about them both. Or the notion that there would be galactic peace after the Reapers; factions tend to realign after an alliance of necessity.

So, the question needs to be, What is more likely: BW investing in reinforcing a false ending to keep with a master plan, or BW simply keeping their old half-baked design and leaving it just open enough to possibly expand in the future? It's a hard call honestly.

But to your inquiry: the breath scene is likely within a few minutes of whatever knocked Shepard out, given that death would take him/her otherwise. Also, the rubble is still steaming.

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


I dunno, I feel BW is better than resorting to the overused "teaming up with the bad guy to beat the real bad guy", or "enemy turned ally" plot twist.

*snip*

So, did you play some version of ME1 where the geth were on your side?

You must have missed the point of my post. I was referring to the very end of a storyline. I even specified that it is a very compelling development at the midway point of a story.

Remind me which game in the trilogy did Legion come into the story?

Also, its not cool to cut out parts of a quote so you can wield it out of context to try and make someone look silly. 

You're so serious tonight Hellish! I was just messing with you.

I hereby give you permission to find any quote of mine, snip out whatever you want, and have it make me look as silly as possible. You can even snip out entire words, leaving single letters behind, and smush them together to form new words if you wish.

Hey Byne since we both play as Femshep and romance Liara I thought you'd find this amusing.
"I'm glad you made it back... and I'd appreciate it if you avoided talking to Leviathan any further. I don't want any tentacled creature inside your mind... except me."
From the Leviathan DLC.

[HellishFiend]

boeloe wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


I dunno, I feel BW is better than resorting to the overused "teaming up with the bad guy to beat the real bad guy", or "enemy turned ally" plot twist.

So, did you play some version of ME1 where the geth were on your side?

Just to be complete:

In Throne of Bhaal you resurrect Sarevok to fight at your side. In Dragon Age you can let Loghain join you. And in ME2 you team up with Cerberus. Seems Bioware uses this plot device a lot.

Yes, as I said, it is a very compelling development in a story if done well. But doing it at the very end of an epic trilogy in a manner that violates the established themes? That would just be doing it wrong. 

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Oo! Just remembered something. While going through London, in the room with the charred corpse on the bed and the blood spatter in what looks like a space hamster cage I could distinctly hear the sound of the building settling. It sounded a lot like the original breath scene, the initial medley of noise.

Kind odd they had music over the breath scene this time instead of the original sound...no?

EDIT: just viewed it, they do have the original sound but it's overloaded by the music, can barely hear it.

Modifié par gunslinger_ruiz, 27 juin 2012 - 08:10 .

[Big Bad]

byne wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Ok, folks it's way past my bedtime. I feel like we took a pretty bad blow today, but maybe things will start looking up again in the morning...g'night all!

I dont see why you feel like that.

Ok, one more post...

Maybe I'm being pessimistic, but I guess I'm just discouraged by the fact that the EC hasn't done much to improve the endings or confirm that IT was their intent.  And since I'm assuming that they are not going to release any other post-ending DLC, I find myself starting to believe that they really did write an unbeiievably bad ending after all. And that feels like a heavy blow to me.   I would very much like to be proven, wrong however.   I'll be the first one to jump back on board the IT wagon if I can find a reason to believe again! 

[byne]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

byne wrote...

Ok, so, what I want all of you to figure out after I go to bed is when the breath scene takes place. It cant be too long after the battle, because even Shepard cant survive for days bleeding heavily with no food, water, or medical care.

If it isnt too long after the battle, surely someone would have found her and gotten her medical care. The news that Shepard had been located wouldnt stay a secret. It would be a cause of widespread celebration.

Hackett is still in the Sol system, I believe. Word would have gotten to him. I really dont see this taking more than a week or so, max.

Hackett has a QEC linked with the Normandy. When he got word that Shepard was found alive, he would have contacted them to let them know.

We see the Normandy crew standing by a memorial wall, about to put Shepard's name up, but dont, presumably thinking she might still be alive. They clearly dont know Shepard has been found at this point, but they then take off in a fixed Normandy.

So even if you wanted to argue the QEC was damaged, it likely would have been the first thing they fixed when they started working on repairs. This Normandy fixed scene seems to take place after the rebuilding of the Citadel, so even if you wanted to say Shep was there, and not London, she would have been found by then.

So, please, if you can, pinpoint exactly at what time the breath scene takes place.

The EC seems to have strengthened the idea that the breath scene took place after the Normandy crash, and it seems to have even taken place after the entire epilogue, which only strengthens IT. To me at least.

Well, here's the thing: the Breath Scene, being shown after everything else- and I'm 99.9% sure of this- is being used as a teaser, not as a chronological reference. To show it earlier simply would not have the dramatic appeal.

Now, as to time lapsed, some of the images we see are likely a few years in the making: rebuilt Citadel, rebuilt Normandy, Quarians in rebuilt cities, Krogan with toddlers... and it's all just too squeeky clean and fairy-tale like... on one hand, the odds of BW investing resources to reinforce a "false" ending is all but nonsensical; on the other, so is the notion that the Relays and Citadel could be rebuilt given how little is known about them both. Or the notion that there would be galactic peace after the Reapers; factions tend to realign after an alliance of necessity.

So, the question needs to be, What is more likely: BW investing in reinforcing a false ending to keep with a master plan, or BW simply keeping their old half-baked design and leaving it just open enough to possibly expand in the future? It's a hard call honestly.

But to your inquiry: the breath scene is likely within a few minutes of whatever knocked Shepard out, given that death would take him/her otherwise. Also, the rubble is still steaming.

But even if we go with the assumption that they screwed around with the chronological order of things, Hackett's speech is pretty clearly after all the things in the epilogue have happened, and never once does he mention Shepard.

Why?

[plfranke]

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

byne wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...


I dunno, I feel BW is better than resorting to the overused "teaming up with the bad guy to beat the real bad guy", or "enemy turned ally" plot twist.

*snip*

So, did you play some version of ME1 where the geth were on your side?

You must have missed the point of my post. I was referring to the very end of a storyline. I even specified that it is a very compelling development at the midway point of a story.

Remind me which game in the trilogy did Legion come into the story?

Also, its not cool to cut out parts of a quote so you can wield it out of context to try and make someone look silly. 

You're so serious tonight Hellish! I was just messing with you.

I hereby give you permission to find any quote of mine, snip out whatever you want, and have it make me look as silly as possible. You can even snip out entire words, leaving single letters behind, and smush them together to form new words if you wish.

byne your avatar really bothers me because I picture you as a grown man possibly even old with a very deep voice and then I see liara and it just disturbs me. It would be like if djbare had a liara avatar. I'm sorry but that's been bothering me for a long time and it just boiled over on that last post.

[Arian Dynas]

FellishBeast wrote...

I appreciate your concern, Arian. It'll take time for me to process this, but I'll come around, hopefully. 

I hate to go all literalist on you guys. I don't want to accept it, but I just want Mass Effect to be complete. I want the story over. I have to assess whether or not one of the current endings can effectively end it for me...

I'm gonna wager a guess and say no, though, as a literal interpretation claims we were the bad guys all along, no matter what anyone might say to the contrary...<_<

I don't want to look back and find out that the entire game we were delaying the Reapers so that we could finish the Crucible and find a new solution. Because that seems to be the point of the game.

No Mass Effect game is done until all the DLC is out.

Expect closure some time in 2014 I'd say.

[byne]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

Hey Byne since we both play as Femshep and romance Liara I thought you'd find this amusing.
"I'm glad you made it back... and I'd appreciate it if you avoided talking to Leviathan any further. I don't want any tentacled creature inside your mind... except me."
From the Leviathan DLC.

Liara is insanely awesome.

[FellishBeast]

HellishFiend wrote...

Yes, as I said, it is a very compelling development in a story if done well. But doing it at the very end of an epic trilogy in a manner that violates the established themes? That would just be doing it wrong. 

FellishBeast approves of this post. 

[HellishFiend]

plfranke wrote...

byne your avatar really bothers me because I picture you as a grown man possibly even old with a very deep voice and then I see liara and it just disturbs me. It would be like if djbare had a liara avatar. I'm sorry but that's been bothering me for a long time and it just boiled over on that last post.

It would actually be kind of amusing if we all acted the part of our avatars. I dont think I would be very well liked, though... 

If we're going to roleplay though, I definitely need to change my avatar to this for the lulz:

[BansheeOwnage]

Arian Dynas wrote...

FellishBeast wrote...

I appreciate your concern, Arian. It'll take time for me to process this, but I'll come around, hopefully. 

I hate to go all literalist on you guys. I don't want to accept it, but I just want Mass Effect to be complete. I want the story over. I have to assess whether or not one of the current endings can effectively end it for me...

I'm gonna wager a guess and say no, though, as a literal interpretation claims we were the bad guys all along, no matter what anyone might say to the contrary...<_<

I don't want to look back and find out that the entire game we were delaying the Reapers so that we could finish the Crucible and find a new solution. Because that seems to be the point of the game.

No Mass Effect game is done until all the DLC is out.

Expect closure some time in 2014 I'd say.

I don't know if that's good or bad lol

[Andromidius]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Oo! Just remembered something. While going through London, in the room with the charred corpse on the bed and the blood spatter in what looks like a space hamster cage I could distinctly hear the sound of the building settling. It sounded a lot like the original breath scene, the initial medley of noise.

Kind odd they had music over the breath scene this time instead of the original sound...no?

EDIT: just viewed it, they do have the original sound but it's overloaded by the music, can barely hear it.

Oh that reminds me.  That same room, I looked around in the dark corners for a bit.  And the textures...shift.  As if I'm looking through a distorted pane of glass.

It was kind of freaky.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

Arian Dynas wrote...

No Mass Effect game is done until all the DLC is out.

Expect closure some time in 2014 I'd say.

Gahh... This hurts me! Because it's probably true, we won't have all our answers for a year at best at this rate.
. . . unless . . . Hm, they're DLC already in teh works, stopped to work on EC, still working on DLC at the same time..... almsot 3 months for EC due to production time.... possible new DLC within a month? Then every 3 months after that hmm....

Speculation everywhere!

[byne]

plfranke wrote...

byne your avatar really bothers me because I picture you as a grown man possibly even old with a very deep voice and then I see liara and it just disturbs me. It would be like if djbare had a liara avatar. I'm sorry but that's been bothering me for a long time and it just boiled over on that last post.

But Liara is awesome!

Plus, if I changed my avatar now, it'd be weird. Thats the avatar people associate with me.

[dreamgazer]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

Well, here's the thing: the Breath Scene, being shown after everything else- and I'm 99.9% sure of this- is being used as a teaser, not as a chronological reference. To show it earlier simply would not have the dramatic appeal.

I'll add this to that piece of speculation, IT or not: in the destroy ending, the sky starts to open up and reveal some sunlight. In the easter egg or whatever it is, it's still dark.

Modifié par dreamgazer, 27 juin 2012 - 08:15 .

[Auralius Carolus]

byne wrote...

But even if we go with the assumption that they screwed around with the chronological order of things, Hackett's speech is pretty clearly after all the things in the epilogue have happened, and never once does he mention Shepard.

Why?

As I said, they're leaving some ends loose and providing a teaser. And actually, if memory serves, Hackett speaks of things to come, using phrases like "we will".

[BansheeOwnage]

HellishFiend wrote...

plfranke wrote...

byne your avatar really bothers me because I picture you as a grown man possibly even old with a very deep voice and then I see liara and it just disturbs me. It would be like if djbare had a liara avatar. I'm sorry but that's been bothering me for a long time and it just boiled over on that last post.

It would actually be kind of amusing if we all acted the part of our avatars. I dont think I would be very well liked, though... 

If we're going to roleplay though, I definitely need to change my avatar to this for the lulz:

I already read everyone's posts in their avatar's voice/speaking-style so with a few minor changes to the way everyone types this could be very entertaining.

[HellishFiend]

Andromidius wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Oo! Just remembered something. While going through London, in the room with the charred corpse on the bed and the blood spatter in what looks like a space hamster cage I could distinctly hear the sound of the building settling. It sounded a lot like the original breath scene, the initial medley of noise.

Kind odd they had music over the breath scene this time instead of the original sound...no?

EDIT: just viewed it, they do have the original sound but it's overloaded by the music, can barely hear it.

Oh that reminds me.  That same room, I looked around in the dark corners for a bit.  And the textures...shift.  As if I'm looking through a distorted pane of glass.

It was kind of freaky.

It would actually be kind of cool if they added a bunch of hidden clues, but right now I dont feel like looking. Maybe once I've had a little time to absorb everything, I'll get back into the full swing of speculating and clue finding again. 

[HellishFiend]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

plfranke wrote...

byne your avatar really bothers me because I picture you as a grown man possibly even old with a very deep voice and then I see liara and it just disturbs me. It would be like if djbare had a liara avatar. I'm sorry but that's been bothering me for a long time and it just boiled over on that last post.

It would actually be kind of amusing if we all acted the part of our avatars. I dont think I would be very well liked, though... 

If we're going to roleplay though, I definitely need to change my avatar to this for the lulz:

I already read everyone's posts in their avatar's voice/speaking-style so with a few minor changes to the way everyone types this could be very entertaining.

It's scary to think you read my posts in Balak's voice.... 

[plfranke]

Also for those asking why Bioware would use resources to reinforce false endings... If Bioware's plan is to come up with the true ending at the end or even in the middle of a long chain of dlc it would make very little sense for them to alienate one side or the other of IT. A lot of IT believers would not buy dlc if they knew the ending should be taken literally. And a hell of a lot of literalists would not buy dlc if they knew the ending was IT. However, if Bioware could get both literalists and IT believers to buy dlc and then come up with a dlc where perhaps indoctrination could just be an option rather than something you're forced into (and I have some ideas on how they could pull that off) everyone would be satisfied and everyone would be buying dlc.

[gunslinger_ruiz]

HellishFiend wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Oo! Just remembered something. While going through London, in the room with the charred corpse on the bed and the blood spatter in what looks like a space hamster cage I could distinctly hear the sound of the building settling. It sounded a lot like the original breath scene, the initial medley of noise.

Kind odd they had music over the breath scene this time instead of the original sound...no?

EDIT: just viewed it, they do have the original sound but it's overloaded by the music, can barely hear it.

Oh that reminds me.  That same room, I looked around in the dark corners for a bit.  And the textures...shift.  As if I'm looking through a distorted pane of glass.

It was kind of freaky.

It would actually be kind of cool if they added a bunch of hidden clues, but right now I dont feel like looking. Maybe once I've had a little time to absorb everything, I'll get back into the full swing of speculating and clue finding again. 

Same here. Already spent the majority of my playthroughs looking for the clues the past 2 and a half months... it can wait for a bit, looking for new ones.

[Arian Dynas]

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

plfranke wrote...

byne your avatar really bothers me because I picture you as a grown man possibly even old with a very deep voice and then I see liara and it just disturbs me. It would be like if djbare had a liara avatar. I'm sorry but that's been bothering me for a long time and it just boiled over on that last post.

It would actually be kind of amusing if we all acted the part of our avatars. I dont think I would be very well liked, though... 

If we're going to roleplay though, I definitely need to change my avatar to this for the lulz:

I already read everyone's posts in their avatar's voice/speaking-style so with a few minor changes to the way everyone types this could be very entertaining.

I'll bite, what's mine to you then?

[Andromidius]

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

gunslinger_ruiz wrote...

Oo! Just remembered something. While going through London, in the room with the charred corpse on the bed and the blood spatter in what looks like a space hamster cage I could distinctly hear the sound of the building settling. It sounded a lot like the original breath scene, the initial medley of noise.

Kind odd they had music over the breath scene this time instead of the original sound...no?

EDIT: just viewed it, they do have the original sound but it's overloaded by the music, can barely hear it.

Oh that reminds me.  That same room, I looked around in the dark corners for a bit.  And the textures...shift.  As if I'm looking through a distorted pane of glass.

It was kind of freaky.

It would actually be kind of cool if they added a bunch of hidden clues, but right now I dont feel like looking. Maybe once I've had a little time to absorb everything, I'll get back into the full swing of speculating and clue finding again. 

Same here. Already spent the majority of my playthroughs looking for the clues the past 2 and a half months... it can wait for a bit, looking for new ones.

All the old clues are still there.  Including the hull breach on Cronos Station.

So they weren't at all interested in cleaning it all up, if they were indeed glitches/bugs/oversights...

[BansheeOwnage]

HellishFiend wrote...

BansheeOwnage wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

plfranke wrote...

byne your avatar really bothers me because I picture you as a grown man possibly even old with a very deep voice and then I see liara and it just disturbs me. It would be like if djbare had a liara avatar. I'm sorry but that's been bothering me for a long time and it just boiled over on that last post.

It would actually be kind of amusing if we all acted the part of our avatars. I dont think I would be very well liked, though... 

If we're going to roleplay though, I definitely need to change my avatar to this for the lulz:

I already read everyone's posts in their avatar's voice/speaking-style so with a few minor changes to the way everyone types this could be very entertaining.

It's scary to think you read my posts in Balak's voice.... 

Only a little scary