Bah. I'm finding it very hard to stay away. From the IT community, I mean. Not BW. Definitely not BW. As someone that's spent a few hundred bucks on ME merchandise just as a thank you to BW, I feel outright betrayed. There's only two ways I can see it being: either they purposely ruined their story in a ******-poor attempt to create something "deep" that keeps fans talking for years, or they're milking the cash cow by dragging things out and refusing the finish stories when they claimed so they can sell ME4 without having to actually write something more. Either of those just...
disgust me. But you guys... the IT regulars, are still awesome. Intelligent conversation about RPG stories on the internet is like water in a desert. And damn is it hard to walk away from an oasis. Even if it is crawling with... "things" now.
byne wrote...
So, after beating Dawnguard, I am disappointed in two things:
Hey, quick question regarding that. PC gamer, I've got to wait until Microsoft decides I can play. Because it's not like this "Windows" thing is also a Microsoft product or... okay, sorry, I'll get to the point. Dawnguard. Is it more "80% evil, 20% neutral/good" content like the rest of Skyrim? I know you can play either pro or anti vampire, but is the anti-vampire side like the the Dark Brotherhood where instead of a big line of quests you get 2 minutes of combat? I never play evil characters and I'm wondering whether I should look forward to DG or now.
plfranke wrote...
So guys just wondering. Whether you're IT or literalist I don't see how the extended cut did anything helpful. I see the same things that annoyed me to begin with yet I see quite a few people talking about how it was a stroke of genius and they couldn't have asked for anything better. thoughts on this?
I don't get it either man. This thing was free and I still want a damn refund.
Andromindius wrote...
2/ The Normandy rescue. It was stupid on multiple levels. Firstly, a Mako appears out of nowhere to almost hit you and your team. No-one is hit, and yet they are both wounded. Shepard stops mid-charge to go back for them, huddles behind the wrecked Mako and calls in the Normandy. Which arrives almost instantly. Your teammates then board, and then seem suprised that they are being told to retreat. And then the Normandy flies off. With Harbinger not firing a single beam at it. Yeah.
You forgot that it took Harbinger a while to get there. Gives perspective on the Normandy's "I'm right here" thing. Normandy is a hare and Harbinger is a tortoise apparently. It's hilarious that people actually think the ending makes sense with garbage like this. It's just as bad as it ever was. Guys, if you think EC killed IT by closing the plot holes in the ending, don't quit your day job to start a PI business. Chief Clancy Wiggum would notice some of this crap.
4/ Added Shepard being popped out of the conduit beam in the tunnel. No idea what that was supposed to add. Then moved Anderson's voice a little bit ahead so he's reporting things before Shepard is there already.
Shepard's still laying on his ass after getting puked out of the teleporter when Anderson's telling him "I followed you up." How did Shepard not notice Anderson 2 centimeters behind him? Lord, Shepard is getting as bad at noticing stuff as the literalists.
6/ The Catalyst has more dialogue. Cool, I guess. But he's relying even more on circular logic then ever before, dodges questions, gives weird answers with no foreshadowing or logic to them, and generally acts like a deceitful little sod as par normal.
I gotta admit, I loved "So you're just an AI?" "In the sense that you're just an animal." Ooo, you're a snarky little hallucination aren't you?
Remember that "we're not changing the endings" nonsense? How is it that no one has pointed out they changed Starbinger's entire motives! They cared enough about the perversion of science that is synthesis but they didn't care enough to keep the Reapers' supposed motivations, one of the most if not THE biggest question of this entire series?
What does that tell everyone?Also, is it really a coincidence that they added dialogue from Starbinger saying he's the collective mind of all the Reapers at the same time they "accidentally" leaked a few select lines from an upcoming DLC about a rogue Reaper, something that wouldn't be possible if they had one collective mind? Even if we didn't already know that wasn't true.
"Transcended flesh. Billions of organic minds, uploaded and conjoined within immortal machine bodies." - Legion's take on Sovereign from his contact with the geth
"We are each a nation - independent, free of all weakness." - Sovereign
9/ Speaking of Destroy, notice how they said it wouldn't necessarily kill EDI or the Geth via Twitter? Well, scrap that - they die regardless. Though Shepard on the other hand...
You know, if the ending isn't indoctrination, am I the only one who wouldn't want my Shepard to wake up? I sacrificed EDI, the geth, and who knows what other AI's that I'd never met. That was genocide, pure and simple. Even if I had good reason for picking it over the other choices, how could I ever even look at Joker again? The woman he loves, the woman who told me it's because of me that she truly feels alive... I killed her. The geth are equally great. Look at Legion, despite the geth thinking organics would always be aggressive to them he didn't blame them. "It's a function of your hardware" he said. There was no judgment. Hell, he donated money to a charity for victims of the heretic's attack on Eden Prime. And I killed their entire race. Even if all this was for the best of reasons, there's no way I could live with myself.
10/ Control. Again, Starbinger is mad if you stand up to him but he's perfectly okay with you taking his job. Erm. Okay. Not to mention it panned out like a really bad fanfiction with the Reapers suddenly turning all nice and rebuilding everything. And GodShep. /shudder
That dialogue was... look back at old Reaper dialogue. Especially Sovereign's. Shepard sounds just like Sovereign, just with a nicer tone.
"Immortal. Eternity. Infinite. The man I was said these words but only now do I understand them." - Shepbinger
"We have no beginning. We have no end. We are infinite. Millions of years after your civilization has been eradicated and forgotten, we will endure." - Sovereign
"There is a realm of existence so far beyond your own you cannot even imagine it. I am beyond your comprehension." - Sovereign
He also talks about being a guardian. Isn't that what Starbinger was called in the data files or something? The way Shepard talks about "the man I was" clearly shows this isn't our Shepard. He doesn't embody the same beliefs. Ask yourself why they added a "no, I reject all these" option that I've never seen anyone say they wanted but the control ending doesn't have an option to send the Reapers into a star or black hole, something many, many people said they wanted. My opinion, it's because control makes Shepard into just another Reaper with the same goals and beliefs.
15/ Why, if we take it all as it is... Does Shepard still wake up in rubble? And why if you pick Destroy do they hesitate to put up Shepard's name on the memorial board - how are they unsure of if Shep is dead?
Here's another: how do they know that Anderson and Shepard are dead? If they still have communication with Earth and such then they should know Shepard is alive in the high EMS destroy. If they aren't, then they have no way of knowing the status of either of them. The only way I can see it making sense is if it's in Shepard's head and the hesitation Liara shows on destroy is Shepard wondering if he's truly dead.
byne wrote...
Both of my squadmates were covered in blood. Someone take EDI. I want to know if she gets covered in oil or something, or if there is literally any reason for EDI to be taken away on the Normandy.
EDI, you have to go get help! You're hurt! Don't worry, I won't destroy all synthetic life while you're gone or anything.