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[Daryslash]

Ending is a little better with this DLC, but it still feels... incomplete? I don't know the right word. Incomplete should do.

Im dissapoint.

Also, I wanted to see what happens AFTER the stupid breath scene... I hoped they would remove this breath scene entirely, actually. Would make things easier, even if that meant Shepard was definitely dead.

If Shepard is alive, someone gotta find him, right? It's not like they will just abandon the Citadel there. And his crew WOULD launch a search mission for her/him. They have not idea at all of what happened. How can they simply assume she is dead and put her name on the wall? (btw, they could actually put HER NAME on it instead of the stupid "Commander" stuff, you know, the name you choose at the start of Mass Effect 1, which is NEVER used in the entire series except when you have to load a game).

If Shepard survives, I ****ing want to see the blue children with Liara. I wanted to see they sitting in a table along with the others and talking about the stupid AI child that assumes the form of the kid in Shepard's dream for no apparent reason (and Shepard isn't curious about it at all).

sigh

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

We see Shepard die for sure only in Synthesis and low-EMS Destroy. In every other he lives on in some way:

Control - trascends into a being of light (the only ending in which he speaks for himself!)
high-EMS Destroy - the breath scene
Rejection - stands still while the screen fades out to black

I disagree with Control. Shepard, the one we've been playing as dies. A new AI construct is created based on everything that Shepard was. The man talking to us is not Shepard.

[v0rt3x22]

The ending doesn't make sense in literal terms.

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 27 juin 2012 - 12:40 .

[Salient Archer]

After watching the endings again I can't shake this feeling that the EC doesn't deliver the whole story. Although hard to explain, it's like listening to music coming from a distant room; you can hear the melody but can distinguish the words. I know I'm tired and possibly being emotionally controlled by circumstance but I'm positive that there's a piece of the puzzle missing or even deliberately held back, I feel more so during the destroy ending, It's kind of like there's something just on the outer fringes on my vision that wont snap into focus but I know it's there nonetheless.

Does anyone else feel this way? or am I just sliding down the slippery slopes of denial.

[Lord Luc1fer]

Is it me having been looking wrong, or did anybody else see if marauder shields had lost his shields in the EC? I'm pretty sure I saw that and it made me LOL so hard.

[Lokanaiya]

Salient Archer wrote...

After watching the endings again I can't shake this feeling that the EC doesn't deliver the whole story. Although hard to explain, it's like listening to music coming from a distant room; you can hear the melody but can distinguish the words. I know I'm tired and possibly being emotionally controlled by circumstance but I'm positive that there's a piece of the puzzle missing or even deliberately held back, I feel more so during the destroy ending, It's kind of like there's something just on the outer fringes on my vision that wont snap into focus but I know it's there nonetheless.

Does anyone else feel this way? or am I just sliding down the slippery slopes of denial.

I felt that way as well.

[Lord Luc1fer]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

We see Shepard die for sure only in Synthesis and low-EMS Destroy. In every other he lives on in some way:

Control - trascends into a being of light (the only ending in which he speaks for himself!)
high-EMS Destroy - the breath scene
Rejection - stands still while the screen fades out to black

I disagree with Control. Shepard, the one we've been playing as dies. A new AI construct is created based on everything that Shepard was. The man talking to us is not Shepard.

I just watched the control ending on youtube and I found it realllyyy unpleasant. It was well done and had a good message, the change to shepard was just too unnerving. It left a bad taste in the mouth which I think was intentional, it's by far for me the saddest ending to see what sheaprd has to give

Modifié par Lord Luc1fer, 27 juin 2012 - 12:44 .

[Daryslash]

And how come I never get to see Joker mourning the loss of EDI (even though Shepard thought of her while shooting the Crucible, which was very nice), or the Geth dying for that matter?
This ending still has so many loose ends...

The whole Anderson and Illusive Man scene is there, too... The same nonsense about Anderson getting to the control panel ahead of Shepard even though there is only way to it, and Illusive Man appearing out of nowhere. And then there is the clues that this is happening in Shepard's mind (like the wound on Shepard), that make no literal sense at all.

sigh2

The more I think about these endings, the more bad I feel.

Modifié par Daryslash, 27 juin 2012 - 12:47 .

[The Eruptionist]

The Catalyst provides you with information that lacks any kind of evidence. Prove to me that synthetics will always kill organics. Prove to me that you aren't trying to indoctrinate or trick me. Prove to me at least one of your claims.

Since he does not provide evidence I have no reason to trust him. You don't go up to some one claiming that the you have the power to fly and expect them to believe you without proof do you? Especially if you have proven to be a genocidal maniac that takes sadism through torture and manipulation to unprecedented levels as the Catalyst aka Reaper King has done.

Choosing refusal doesn't even address the issue as I expected it wouldn't. Shepard refuses on some strange moral grounds instead of calling the Catalyst's bluff regarding its lack of logic and lack of application of the scientific method.

[v0rt3x22]

The Eruptionist wrote...

The Catalyst provides you with information that lacks any kind of evidence. Prove to me that synthetics will always kill organics. Prove to me that you aren't trying to indoctrinate or trick me. Prove to me at least one of your claims.

Since he does not provide evidence I have no reason to trust him. You don't go up to some one claiming that the you have the power to fly and expect them to believe you without proof do you? Especially if you have proven to be a genocidal maniac that takes sadism through torture and manipulation to unprecedented levels as the Catalyst aka Reaper King has done.

Choosing refusal doesn't even address the issue as I expected it wouldn't. Shepard refuses on some strange moral grounds instead of calling the Catalyst's bluff regarding its lack of logic and lack of application of the scientific method.

Yea I agree...Refusal is the equivalent to "I'm giving up" which is totally out of character for shepard AND the players.

[Daryslash]

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

Lord Luc1fer wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

Destroy? The caos would be appear again, and the solution could be the same as well.

The way I am choosing to intepret destroy is that we have proof that the cycle can be stopped. The geth and EDI both prove that synthetics can exist peacefully, despite all the catalyst claims to know. Perhaps the race who created the reapers had a tunnel view of synthetics due to their own bad experiences with them? The very fact that Shepard survives to tell the tale of the synthetic/ organic problem means knowledge of the chaos can be passed down so the same mistake of the past can't be made again. Just my view on it

Dont mess my theory!

It is a good point of view but, really, when I saw the ending I was everything less satisfied. Shepard breaths scene is the only flaw and the one which gives me a little of hope... But then, the stargazer scene appears and, seeing their conversation, it is like Shepard is dead, nothing is really different, but you know he is not...

Sorry for messin'  

Yeah, the only problem I had with the breath scene, although ofr someone who hadn't played before, it would be a massive, awesome easter egg, it made me worry that nobody knows she isn't dead! However, if you have an LI, the scene with the memorial wall actually shows them seeming to decide not to place the plaque. I like to this this is them realising, that shepard is alive, some way or another, and the deaprture of the normandy from the jungle planet is the crew going back to find him.

I like this line of thought, but still we can't know for sure what happens.

I wanted TO SEE IT. No more speculations, I'm tired of it. I ****ing hate endings that make you speculate more than provide answers. And this DLC still has this problem, unfortunately...

[Simocrates]

Daryslash wrote...

And how come I never get to see Joker mourning the loss of EDI, or the Geth dying for that matter?
This ending still has so much loose ends...

I think you are being a little pedantic there.

Daryslash wrote...

The whole Anderson and Illusive Man scene is there, too... The same nonsense about Anderson getting to the control panel ahead of Shepard even though there is only way to it, and Illusive Man appearing out of nowhere. And then there is the clues that this is happening in Shepard's mind (like the wound on Shepard), that make no literal sense at all.

sigh2

The more I think about these endings, the more bad I feel.

If you recall Anderson said he entered after you and was ported to a different section. He wasn't injured so he would naturally move faster, also over the com he mentions the walls and surroundings changing. This could easily imply that the passage he used closed behind him and had now opened for you. TIM appears behind you and again the shifting rooms and platforms can accomodate this theory. As for the wound that is still a bit odd but I can confidently state that I don't believe IT is the case anymore. It was a good theory until BioWare filled in gaps.

[something strange]

So much potential wasted. Sure, IT may still be true, or partially true, but EC just killed the mood.

I don't even care if ME4 or some DLC starts with a 'wake up' scene that confirms the theory, I'm just bummed that I waited 3 months... for this.

Mass Effect 3 could have been SO great and the writers could have gone down as heroes in my book, but no, now I just want to forget it all and play that terrible game Diablo 3 to wash out the Extended Cut's bitter aftertaste.

[llbountyhunter]

Daryslash wrote...

And how come I never get to see Joker mourning the loss of EDI (even though Shepard thought of her while shooting the Crucible, which was very nice), or the Geth dying for that matter?
This ending still has so many loose ends...

The whole Anderson and Illusive Man scene is there, too... The same nonsense about Anderson getting to the control panel ahead of Shepard even though there is only way to it, and Illusive Man appearing out of nowhere. And then there is the clues that this is happening in Shepard's mind (like the wound on Shepard), that make no literal sense at all.

sigh2

The more I think about these endings, the more bad I feel.

i dont see 2gb of stuff in there. they dont even seem to change depending on your previous choices that much.

[Nemesis1812]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I'm still confused why anyone would trust the kid....

This explains it pretty well:

The Eruptionist wrote...

But why believe anything the Star-kid says? There is no reason whatsoever. I can never pick anything other than destroy because that kid is the King of the Reapers.

The Reapers have killed trillions of organics over billions of years in the most violent, sadistic way possible. They mocked and spoke condescendingly to Shepard referring to humans as 'genetic mutations'. I have no reason to trust that kid and thus no reason to even listen to it. It has no proof of its claims either. 

This.

Although I feel so burned out by the whole thing that I would like to see Shep and Harby fly off together to make reaper babies:D

[Simocrates]

The Eruptionist wrote...

The Catalyst provides you with information that lacks any kind of evidence. Prove to me that synthetics will always kill organics. Prove to me that you aren't trying to indoctrinate or trick me. Prove to me at least one of your claims.

Since he does not provide evidence I have no reason to trust him. You don't go up to some one claiming that the you have the power to fly and expect them to believe you without proof do you? Especially if you have proven to be a genocidal maniac that takes sadism through torture and manipulation to unprecedented levels as the Catalyst aka Reaper King has done.

Choosing refusal doesn't even address the issue as I expected it wouldn't. Shepard refuses on some strange moral grounds instead of calling the Catalyst's bluff regarding its lack of logic and lack of application of the scientific method.

You make demands of the Catalyst like you think he is human and living in today's society. You are not above the Catalyst, it tells you what you need to hear. If you choose to refuse its logic well, you see what happens now so kudos to you for sticking to your guns I hope it was worth it. An entity that has witnessed Organics and Synthetics at war with each other for countless cycles would have a better comprehension of that is to pass than you I'm afraid.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

The Eruptionist wrote...

The Catalyst provides you with information that lacks any kind of evidence. Prove to me that synthetics will always kill organics. Prove to me that you aren't trying to indoctrinate or trick me. Prove to me at least one of your claims.

Since he does not provide evidence I have no reason to trust him. You don't go up to some one claiming that the you have the power to fly and expect them to believe you without proof do you? Especially if you have proven to be a genocidal maniac that takes sadism through torture and manipulation to unprecedented levels as the Catalyst aka Reaper King has done.

Choosing refusal doesn't even address the issue as I expected it wouldn't. Shepard refuses on some strange moral grounds instead of calling the Catalyst's bluff regarding its lack of logic and lack of application of the scientific method.

Yeah it seems Shepard refuses on the grounds that he dosent want to sacrifice his life, taht he dosent want to make a choice more than anything else.

It makes me think that the refusal ending might be litteral in what happens as it might imply that as Shepard refuses he losses value to the Reapers. They cannot use an indecisive Shepard and as such they either just kill him or leave him in the rubble to die slowly while they destroy the fleet.

[Lat2oo5]

My LI was Miranda, and I got a static picture of her looking at skyline, very melancholic, but my crew placed the plaquet even when my Shepard was still alive.

[something strange]

And if they were patching all the plot holes (ie the teleporting squad mates) WHY THE HELL did they keep the scene where Shepard looks down at his blood covered hand and magical bullet wound?

[llbountyhunter]

Zanza86 wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

And how come I never get to see Joker mourning the loss of EDI, or the Geth dying for that matter?
This ending still has so much loose ends...

I think you are being a little pedantic there.

Daryslash wrote...

The whole Anderson and Illusive Man scene is there, too... The same nonsense about Anderson getting to the control panel ahead of Shepard even though there is only way to it, and Illusive Man appearing out of nowhere. And then there is the clues that this is happening in Shepard's mind (like the wound on Shepard), that make no literal sense at all.

sigh2

The more I think about these endings, the more bad I feel.

If you recall Anderson said he entered after you and was ported to a different section. He wasn't injured so he would naturally move faster, also over the com he mentions the walls and surroundings changing. This could easily imply that the passage he used closed behind him and had now opened for you. TIM appears behind you and again the shifting rooms and platforms can accomodate this theory. As for the wound that is still a bit odd but I can confidently state that I don't believe IT is the case anymore. It was a good theory until BioWare filled in gaps.

the scene was on the underside of the citadel, you can reach it conventionally.

they filled some gaps but gave us new ones that support IT.

starbinger is now harbinger?
harbinger didnt shoot the normandy?
refuse option
the breathscene makes even less sense now considering they show it after all the repairs are done...



I think its meant to go either way.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Zanza86 wrote...

The Eruptionist wrote...

The Catalyst provides you with information that lacks any kind of evidence. Prove to me that synthetics will always kill organics. Prove to me that you aren't trying to indoctrinate or trick me. Prove to me at least one of your claims.

Since he does not provide evidence I have no reason to trust him. You don't go up to some one claiming that the you have the power to fly and expect them to believe you without proof do you? Especially if you have proven to be a genocidal maniac that takes sadism through torture and manipulation to unprecedented levels as the Catalyst aka Reaper King has done.

Choosing refusal doesn't even address the issue as I expected it wouldn't. Shepard refuses on some strange moral grounds instead of calling the Catalyst's bluff regarding its lack of logic and lack of application of the scientific method.

You make demands of the Catalyst like you think he is human and living in today's society. You are not above the Catalyst, it tells you what you need to hear. If you choose to refuse its logic well, you see what happens now so kudos to you for sticking to your guns I hope it was worth it. An entity that has witnessed Organics and Synthetics at war with each other for countless cycles would have a better comprehension of that is to pass than you I'm afraid.

Well it is good thing EDI and the Geth support his logic then right...oh wait.

Also you are forgetting that the catalyst actually wants Shepard to make a chocie if taken litterally. He has every reason to explain this as detailed as possible if it can sway Shepard to Control or Synthesis. But he dosent.

You are trusting a Reaper without proof.

[llbountyhunter]

Zanza86 wrote...

The Eruptionist wrote...

The Catalyst provides you with information that lacks any kind of evidence. Prove to me that synthetics will always kill organics. Prove to me that you aren't trying to indoctrinate or trick me. Prove to me at least one of your claims.

Since he does not provide evidence I have no reason to trust him. You don't go up to some one claiming that the you have the power to fly and expect them to believe you without proof do you? Especially if you have proven to be a genocidal maniac that takes sadism through torture and manipulation to unprecedented levels as the Catalyst aka Reaper King has done.

Choosing refusal doesn't even address the issue as I expected it wouldn't. Shepard refuses on some strange moral grounds instead of calling the Catalyst's bluff regarding its lack of logic and lack of application of the scientific method.

You make demands of the Catalyst like you think he is human and living in today's society. You are not above the Catalyst, it tells you what you need to hear. If you choose to refuse its logic well, you see what happens now so kudos to you for sticking to your guns I hope it was worth it. An entity that has witnessed Organics and Synthetics at war with each other for countless cycles would have a better comprehension of that is to pass than you I'm afraid.

the problem is, is that the catalyst has no logic.

[Simocrates]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Zanza86 wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

And how come I never get to see Joker mourning the loss of EDI, or the Geth dying for that matter?
This ending still has so much loose ends...

I think you are being a little pedantic there.

Daryslash wrote...

The whole Anderson and Illusive Man scene is there, too... The same nonsense about Anderson getting to the control panel ahead of Shepard even though there is only way to it, and Illusive Man appearing out of nowhere. And then there is the clues that this is happening in Shepard's mind (like the wound on Shepard), that make no literal sense at all.

sigh2

The more I think about these endings, the more bad I feel.

If you recall Anderson said he entered after you and was ported to a different section. He wasn't injured so he would naturally move faster, also over the com he mentions the walls and surroundings changing. This could easily imply that the passage he used closed behind him and had now opened for you. TIM appears behind you and again the shifting rooms and platforms can accomodate this theory. As for the wound that is still a bit odd but I can confidently state that I don't believe IT is the case anymore. It was a good theory until BioWare filled in gaps.

the scene was on the underside of the citadel, you can reach it conventionally.

they filled some gaps but gave us new ones that support IT.

starbinger is now harbinger?
harbinger didnt shoot the normandy?
refuse option
the breathscene makes even less sense now considering they show it after all the repairs are done...



I think its meant to go either way.

The only question I have left that boggles my mind is the point of grampa and the boy.

[v0rt3x22]

On the Refusal ending - this seems to me like the equivilant to "I'm giving up" - Shepard just stands there.

This seems to me as if it's out of character for Shepard AND the players.

Neither came this far to simply refuse and lose the war.

It isn't like yourself to "Refuse" and give up to just stand there and watch the world being destroyed.

And nor is it for Shepard.

I was expecting the exact same outcome you mentioned....why? Because 3 games into the series I believe I've gotten to know Shepard a little.....

He's not just a vessel.

[Raistlin Majare 1992]

Zanza86 wrote...

The only question I have left that boggles my mind is the point of grampa and the boy.

So Shepard surviving an explosion several km in diameter while at groun zero and the following orbital reentry is completely logical <_<

Modifié par Raistlin Majare 1992, 27 juin 2012 - 01:00 .