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SubAstris wrote...
Fingertrip wrote...
Leviathan of Dis.
I mean, seriously. 'Nuff said. The Catalyst is one big fat liar.
What? You can tell from the name of the titled of as yet undisclosed DLC that the Catalyst is lying. Come on, that's a little farfetch'd
thanksSuper-Model wrote...
Lord Luc1fer wrote...
What is this stuff about leviathan of dis dlc? link anywhere?
http://social.biowar...ndex/12777408/1
There ya go
llbountyhunter wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
paxxton wrote...
*SIGH* Honestly, I hoped for IT to be revealed in the EC and was a bit disappointed when it wasn't. The extended ending seems even more literal than the original one. Actually, the breath scene after Destroy serves the exact same role as the transcendence scene in Control (Shepard lives on). Maybe we should take BioWare's words more seriously and don't read between lines too much. *SIGH*
Negative, there can be no stepping back, no retreat, no stepping forward and no attacking reaper forces.
But really how can I look at this ending litterally with the enormous plotholes and problems with the ending which Bioware had 3.5 months to fix, but dident do.
Even more so they themselves said EC would not confirm or deny IT, so until someone can disprove it in its entirety I am sticking with IT. Better than having to believe in two endings which go against everything we have seen and been told over the cause of 3 games.
How would anyone ever be able to disprove IT in its entirety? What sort of evidence would an ITer look for?
If there was no evidence supproting it. If there was no mindcontrol ability in the series which is known to cause a wide variety of side effects many of which Shepard suffers throughout the cause of the game. If there was no giant plotholes which can be filled in so easily by IT or if said plotholes had other explanations. If there was no massively strange and ridicoulous sequences in the ending with no or few precedenst in the entire series leading up to that point.
If Bioware had not themsleves said that they would neither confirm of deny IT. Then I would consider this a delusion.
But the fact that we have not only strange happenings suggesting that not all is as it seems alongside a means that can cuase these strange quibs, a means which ahs been a major plotpoint trhoughout all 3 games, means I cannot help but feel there is more than meets the eye.
They had three months to fix all those strange things, but just about the obnly thing they fixed was telpeorting squadmates...
Well we will disagree about evidence being convincing for IT or otherwise, I really just asked what piece, or pieces of evidence would convince that IT was not planned all along.
But he suffers from maybe dreams, but that is far from convincing. No whispers for example while walking around. If they intended IT in the game, it was incredibly poorly done in that case due to lack of symptoms.
In the same way that Shepard died at the beginning of ME2 and the rest is just a dream, or even died after contacting the Prothean Beacon, IT could fill in plotholes. That doesn't make it any more likely. All said plotholes have reasonable explanations for them without resorting to IT.
There are several moments of foreshadowing the role of the Catalyst, the Reapers being masters to the Catalyst, the motives of the Reapers throughout ME.
Your last sentence is...unintelligible
You dont find this conclusive evidence sufficient?
Well thats ok, some people dont believe in science either. Its your opinion.
But please dont try to shove your opinion on to us.
"some don't believe in science"- Sorry what are you on? That's just rubbish, and you know it is
By science that means science theories, like evolution and quantom mechanics. Wich some people still dont believe in.
There you go again failing to connect the dots. Geeze you literalist need everything spelled out.... no wonder you cant see IT even though its so obviouse.
Fingertrip wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
Fingertrip wrote...
Leviathan of Dis.
I mean, seriously. 'Nuff said. The Catalyst is one big fat liar.
What? You can tell from the name of the titled of as yet undisclosed DLC that the Catalyst is lying. Come on, that's a little farfetch'd
You know, I've never liked your posts, and I aint going to start now. Infact, I'll just put you on ignore. Such a blatant troll.
TL;DR: Leviathan of Dis destroys the Synthesis/Control logic completely.
Modifié par Lat2oo5, 27 juin 2012 - 01:55 .
SubAstris wrote...
If you want to childish, be my guest. If you want to make strawmen, you can do that too. If you really want IT to be true, despite the fact that your support base has been decimated by the EC because they realise IT for the facade it is, and are only hanging on to it for purely emotional reasons, that's your decision.
paxxton wrote...
Sacifices are scarcely pleasant when they have to be made but I wouldn't mind infinite existence as a perfect being.
Fingertrip wrote...
You know, I've never liked your posts, and I aint going to start now. Infact, I'll just put you on ignore. Such a blatant troll.
TL;DR: Leviathan of Dis destroys the Synthesis/Control logic completely.
SubAstris wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
paxxton wrote...
*SIGH* Honestly, I hoped for IT to be revealed in the EC and was a bit disappointed when it wasn't. The extended ending seems even more literal than the original one. Actually, the breath scene after Destroy serves the exact same role as the transcendence scene in Control (Shepard lives on). Maybe we should take BioWare's words more seriously and don't read between lines too much. *SIGH*
Negative, there can be no stepping back, no retreat, no stepping forward and no attacking reaper forces.
But really how can I look at this ending litterally with the enormous plotholes and problems with the ending which Bioware had 3.5 months to fix, but dident do.
Even more so they themselves said EC would not confirm or deny IT, so until someone can disprove it in its entirety I am sticking with IT. Better than having to believe in two endings which go against everything we have seen and been told over the cause of 3 games.
How would anyone ever be able to disprove IT in its entirety? What sort of evidence would an ITer look for?
If there was no evidence supproting it. If there was no mindcontrol ability in the series which is known to cause a wide variety of side effects many of which Shepard suffers throughout the cause of the game. If there was no giant plotholes which can be filled in so easily by IT or if said plotholes had other explanations. If there was no massively strange and ridicoulous sequences in the ending with no or few precedenst in the entire series leading up to that point.
If Bioware had not themsleves said that they would neither confirm of deny IT. Then I would consider this a delusion.
But the fact that we have not only strange happenings suggesting that not all is as it seems alongside a means that can cuase these strange quibs, a means which ahs been a major plotpoint trhoughout all 3 games, means I cannot help but feel there is more than meets the eye.
They had three months to fix all those strange things, but just about the obnly thing they fixed was telpeorting squadmates...
Well we will disagree about evidence being convincing for IT or otherwise, I really just asked what piece, or pieces of evidence would convince that IT was not planned all along.
But he suffers from maybe dreams, but that is far from convincing. No whispers for example while walking around. If they intended IT in the game, it was incredibly poorly done in that case due to lack of symptoms.
In the same way that Shepard died at the beginning of ME2 and the rest is just a dream, or even died after contacting the Prothean Beacon, IT could fill in plotholes. That doesn't make it any more likely. All said plotholes have reasonable explanations for them without resorting to IT.
There are several moments of foreshadowing the role of the Catalyst, the Reapers being masters to the Catalyst, the motives of the Reapers throughout ME.
Your last sentence is...unintelligible
You dont find this conclusive evidence sufficient?
Well thats ok, some people dont believe in science either. Its your opinion.
But please dont try to shove your opinion on to us.
"some don't believe in science"- Sorry what are you on? That's just rubbish, and you know it is
By science that means science theories, like evolution and quantom mechanics. Wich some people still dont believe in.
There you go again failing to connect the dots. Geeze you literalist need everything spelled out.... no wonder you cant see IT even though its so obviouse.
If you want to childish, be my guest. If you want to make strawmen, you can do that too. If you really want IT to be true, despite the fact that your support base has been decimated by the EC because they realise IT for the facade it is, and are only hanging on to it for purely emotional reasons, that's your decision.
Lat2oo5 wrote...
One question. I was wondering why Bioware used an asari and a child in the stargaze scene (in the others, there are two adults but one of them is a giant and it is like that after the patch) when you chose reject. Even they talked in a perfect english but this civilization has to be another different... This doesn't make sense to me...
Yes. So where do we disagree?EpyonX3 wrote...
paxxton wrote...
Sacifices are scarcely pleasant when they have to be made but I wouldn't mind infinite existence as a perfect being.
I hope we understand that we are agreeing here and not arguing.
Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 02:08 .
llbountyhunter wrote...
Your doing more clinging than we are.
Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...
OK, I will accept that Refuse does very heavily imply Star Child being Harbinger, with the "SO BE IT" response.llbountyhunter wrote...
Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...
I don't believe in IT, but I am curious about its present state: can someone give me a short summary of why, post-EC, there are still arguments to be found in favor of it?
We'll EC itself added new evidence.
The refuse option supports IT
The catalyst is now harbinger.
The normandy is ignored by harbinger(maybe)
The control ending is a violation of shepard and the lore.
The destroy ending makes less sense now.
However, how does 'Control' violate Shepard and the Lore?
And how does 'Destroy' make less sense now? In case of this one, I can imagine that, if you view the slideshow as being in chronological sequence, it might raise some odd things, but I suspect that the rebulding sequences takes place far, far after the dedication ceremony and any potential rescue of Shepard.
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
If you want to childish, be my guest. If you want to make strawmen, you can do that too. If you really want IT to be true, despite the fact that your support base has been decimated by the EC because they realise IT for the facade it is, and are only hanging on to it for purely emotional reasons, that's your decision.
One question SubAstris.
How can you deny IT in every shape or form when Bioware themselves said that Ec would neither confirm or deny it? The mere fact taht they mention this means IT is up for debate, straight from Bioware themselves.
The slideshows are sorted in context, not time.Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...
Anyone?Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...
OK, I will accept that Refuse does very heavily imply Star Child being Harbinger, with the "SO BE IT" response.llbountyhunter wrote...
Samuel_Valkyrie wrote...
I don't believe in IT, but I am curious about its present state: can someone give me a short summary of why, post-EC, there are still arguments to be found in favor of it?
We'll EC itself added new evidence.
The refuse option supports IT
The catalyst is now harbinger.
The normandy is ignored by harbinger(maybe)
The control ending is a violation of shepard and the lore.
The destroy ending makes less sense now.
However, how does 'Control' violate Shepard and the Lore?
And how does 'Destroy' make less sense now? In case of this one, I can imagine that, if you view the slideshow as being in chronological sequence, it might raise some odd things, but I suspect that the rebulding sequences takes place far, far after the dedication ceremony and any potential rescue of Shepard.
llbountyhunter wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
llbountyhunter wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
SubAstris wrote...
Raistlin Majare 1992 wrote...
paxxton wrote...
*SIGH* Honestly, I hoped for IT to be revealed in the EC and was a bit disappointed when it wasn't. The extended ending seems even more literal than the original one. Actually, the breath scene after Destroy serves the exact same role as the transcendence scene in Control (Shepard lives on). Maybe we should take BioWare's words more seriously and don't read between lines too much. *SIGH*
Negative, there can be no stepping back, no retreat, no stepping forward and no attacking reaper forces.
But really how can I look at this ending litterally with the enormous plotholes and problems with the ending which Bioware had 3.5 months to fix, but dident do.
Even more so they themselves said EC would not confirm or deny IT, so until someone can disprove it in its entirety I am sticking with IT. Better than having to believe in two endings which go against everything we have seen and been told over the cause of 3 games.
How would anyone ever be able to disprove IT in its entirety? What sort of evidence would an ITer look for?
If there was no evidence supproting it. If there was no mindcontrol ability in the series which is known to cause a wide variety of side effects many of which Shepard suffers throughout the cause of the game. If there was no giant plotholes which can be filled in so easily by IT or if said plotholes had other explanations. If there was no massively strange and ridicoulous sequences in the ending with no or few precedenst in the entire series leading up to that point.
If Bioware had not themsleves said that they would neither confirm of deny IT. Then I would consider this a delusion.
But the fact that we have not only strange happenings suggesting that not all is as it seems alongside a means that can cuase these strange quibs, a means which ahs been a major plotpoint trhoughout all 3 games, means I cannot help but feel there is more than meets the eye.
They had three months to fix all those strange things, but just about the obnly thing they fixed was telpeorting squadmates...
Well we will disagree about evidence being convincing for IT or otherwise, I really just asked what piece, or pieces of evidence would convince that IT was not planned all along.
But he suffers from maybe dreams, but that is far from convincing. No whispers for example while walking around. If they intended IT in the game, it was incredibly poorly done in that case due to lack of symptoms.
In the same way that Shepard died at the beginning of ME2 and the rest is just a dream, or even died after contacting the Prothean Beacon, IT could fill in plotholes. That doesn't make it any more likely. All said plotholes have reasonable explanations for them without resorting to IT.
There are several moments of foreshadowing the role of the Catalyst, the Reapers being masters to the Catalyst, the motives of the Reapers throughout ME.
Your last sentence is...unintelligible
You dont find this conclusive evidence sufficient?
Well thats ok, some people dont believe in science either. Its your opinion.
But please dont try to shove your opinion on to us.
"some don't believe in science"- Sorry what are you on? That's just rubbish, and you know it is
By science that means science theories, like evolution and quantom mechanics. Wich some people still dont believe in.
There you go again failing to connect the dots. Geeze you literalist need everything spelled out.... no wonder you cant see IT even though its so obviouse.
If you want to childish, be my guest. If you want to make strawmen, you can do that too. If you really want IT to be true, despite the fact that your support base has been decimated by the EC because they realise IT for the facade it is, and are only hanging on to it for purely emotional reasons, that's your decision.
How is bioware saying IT isnt false an emotional reason?
Your doing more clinging than we are.
Daryslash wrote...
"In the "High EMS" Destroy ending, the only ending where Shepard survives (shown in the pile of rubble breath scene) is left unexplained. However, in the Low EMS Destroy ending, there is a new scene with a similar pile of rubble in london and a man pulling a helmet from it. This may reaffirm Shepard was on earth the whole time. Unless the crusible is made of stone and rebar."
Found this on ign wiki. What is this? We need vids.
Is it some random helmet or is it Shepard's helmet? But Shepard wasn't even wearing helmet (at least mine wasn't lol)
If it is a random helmet, why is this scene there? On the Low EMS ending and not on the High EMS?
Bah, forget it. I'm done speculating. I'M DONE.
Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 02:06 .
Daryslash wrote...
"In the "High EMS" Destroy ending, the only ending where Shepard survives (shown in the pile of rubble breath scene) is left unexplained. However, in the Low EMS Destroy ending, there is a new scene with a similar pile of rubble in london and a man pulling a helmet from it. This may reaffirm Shepard was on earth the whole time. Unless the crusible is made of stone and rebar."
Found this on ign wiki. What is this? We need vids.
Is it some random helmet or is it Shepard's helmet? But Shepard wasn't even wearing helmet (at least mine wasn't lol)
If it is a random helmet, why is this scene there? On the Low EMS ending and not on the High EMS?
Bah, forget it. I'm done speculating. I'M DONE.
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Daryslash wrote...
"In the "High EMS" Destroy ending, the only ending where Shepard survives (shown in the pile of rubble breath scene) is left unexplained. However, in the Low EMS Destroy ending, there is a new scene with a similar pile of rubble in london and a man pulling a helmet from it. This may reaffirm Shepard was on earth the whole time. Unless the crusible is made of stone and rebar."
Found this on ign wiki. What is this? We need vids.
Is it some random helmet or is it Shepard's helmet? But Shepard wasn't even wearing helmet (at least mine wasn't lol)
If it is a random helmet, why is this scene there? On the Low EMS ending and not on the High EMS?
Bah, forget it. I'm done speculating. I'M DONE.
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