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[Big Bad]

Last night was the first time since mid march that I watched the scene with TIM at the citadel in its entirety. I still cannot get over how unbelievably surreal and inexplicable that scene is. Watching it makes me feel like I am stoned or something, and not in a good way. To me at least, it still makes much more sense as a metaphor than as reality. It's just so...bizarre.

[SubAstris]

Big Bad wrote...

Last night was the first time since mid march that I watched the scene with TIM at the citadel in its entirety. I still cannot get over how unbelievably surreal and inexplicable that scene is. Watching it makes me feel like I am stoned or something, and not in a good way. To me at least, it still makes much more sense as a metaphor than as reality. It's just so...bizarre.

How is it so weird? What did you expect there to be that wasn't?

[paxxton]

So I watch the Extended Cut ending and a thought comes to my mind. If BioWare can do this quality ending why didn't they do it in the first place? How was that even remotely possible? It's not that they are unskilled or retarded - no, they are smart, talented people with diverse professional and personal backgrounds. The odds of sc***ing the ending so much (in comparison to the EC) are so slim that it's almost beyond comprehension. Why? Why? Why?

[Dwailing]

 You know, I was just thinking about something.  Why does Destroy, well, destroy all synthetic life?  They never really give a good explanation for this.  It's weird, to me anyway, that the Crucible couldn't discriminate between Reapers and all synthetics considering that the stupid thing contains a Reaper component.  You know, the Reaper "Heart"/"Brain".

[llbountyhunter]

What if the helmet was rebranded like the Normandy.

Although I'm pretty sure that helmet is Shepard's... its supposed to be anyways, otherwise why add it?

[v0rt3x22]

SubAstris wrote...

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

So if support for IT was high then it would be true?

No, I was making a separate point, support for IT is being decimated by EC, surely you could even concede this?

Yes, but i dont see how that effects the validity of IT in any way.

Many are just tired of speculating. alot of us just wanted a definativr yes or no answer. And EC didnt do either. 

But most realised that EC was fruitless when it came to IT. They expected a Harbinger battle and got nothing

Actually, as much as I wanted IT to be confirmed or denied, they did EXACTLY what Jessica said.  They neither confirmed or denied the IT.  In fact, I actually think that the Rejection ending makes no sense outside of IT.

None of the endings except Destroy make sense to me at all.

When you mean they don't make sense do you really mean the other options are morally repugnant?

I'll answer you when I get home. 20-30 minutes

[Dwailing]

paxxton wrote...

So I watch the Extended Cut ending and a thought comes to my mind. If BioWare can do this quality ending why didn't they do it in the first place? How was that even remotely possible? It's not that they are unskilled or retarded - no, they are smart, talented people with diverse professional and personal backgrounds. The odds of sc***ing the ending so much (in comparison to the EC) are so slim that it's almost beyond comprehension. Why? Why? Why?

You know, they HAD asked for six more months of development time originally.  However, they only got three months of extra time (So it was released in March.).  Well, if you think about it, the EC took, oh look, three MORE months and came out in June, when they had WANTED the game to be released.  Coincidence?

Modifié par Dwailing, 27 juin 2012 - 03:44 .

[nukedflounder]

Dwailing wrote...

 You know, I was just thinking about something.  Why does Destroy, well, destroy all synthetic life?  They never really give a good explanation for this.  It's weird, to me anyway, that the Crucible couldn't discriminate between Reapers and all synthetics considering that the stupid thing contains a Reaper component.  You know, the Reaper "Heart"/"Brain".

The kid is a liar.

[UrgedDuke]

Sero303 wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

gpost wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

gpost wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

"In the "High EMS" Destroy ending, the only ending where Shepard survives (shown in the pile of rubble breath scene) is left unexplained. However, in the Low EMS Destroy ending, there is a new scene with a similar pile of rubble in london and a man pulling a helmet from it. This may reaffirm Shepard was on earth the whole time. Unless the crusible is made of stone and rebar."

Found this on ign wiki. What is this? We need vids.

Is it some random helmet or is it Shepard's helmet? But Shepard wasn't even wearing helmet (at least mine wasn't lol)
If it is a random helmet, why is this scene there? On the Low EMS ending and not on the High EMS?
Bah, forget it. I'm done speculating. I'M DONE.

OMG that helmet is in every ending epilouge. It's either laying there or someone picks it up. And it's not an N7 helmet either.

The helmet has the alliance arc logo on it

Like everyone else on earth. Does shepard have a helmet with the arc?

I'm pretty sure he only wear the N7 standard helmet, which doesn't have the alliance logo:

http://images.wikia....3_N7_helmet.png

Exactly. You might be agreeing with me I can't tell, but saying that it's Shepard's helmet is incorrect as they all have the alliance log on them and Shepard has no such helmet.

The helmet is in my opinion just a representation of all the alliance soldiers who died...NOT shepard

yea but they only show the main characcters that died like edi, thane, mordin, ect , not general groups of people

[Dwailing]

nukedflounder wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 You know, I was just thinking about something.  Why does Destroy, well, destroy all synthetic life?  They never really give a good explanation for this.  It's weird, to me anyway, that the Crucible couldn't discriminate between Reapers and all synthetics considering that the stupid thing contains a Reaper component.  You know, the Reaper "Heart"/"Brain".

The kid is a liar.

Yeah, I'm VERY well aware of that, I'm just saying that this was something I was thinking about that doesn't make sense from a Literalist perspective.  It could be that BW FORCED you to use this as a component of the Crucible to hopefully make you start to wonder about what was going on when he tells you that Destroy would wipe out all synthetic life.

[Tirian Thorn]

nukedflounder wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 You know, I was just thinking about something.  Why does Destroy, well, destroy all synthetic life?  They never really give a good explanation for this.  It's weird, to me anyway, that the Crucible couldn't discriminate between Reapers and all synthetics considering that the stupid thing contains a Reaper component.  You know, the Reaper "Heart"/"Brain".

The kid is a liar.

Tirian Thorn wrote...

I’m still don’t trust Starbrat.

It’s like, no really Shepard, we want the same things. I really wish that organics and synthetics could all just get a long, but it doesn’t work like that. I have the data to prove it. But, I lost it, in a volcano, so, you’ll just have to trust me.

TIM couldn’t control us, but I “KNOW” you can.

Or

Synthetics. We’ve tried that before too and it didn’t work, but I know you’ll succeed. You’re ready. You’re special, not like all those other fools. They weren’t as smart and awesome as you Shepard.

But don’t pick destroy. I mean, that’s not cool. You’ll cause a lot of problems and it could be so much easier and less painful if you do what I say.

[Jusseb]

Well it's like they said, the created will always rebel against their creators. ME3 is rebelling against Bioware.

[UrgedDuke]

nukedflounder wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 You know, I was just thinking about something.  Why does Destroy, well, destroy all synthetic life?  They never really give a good explanation for this.  It's weird, to me anyway, that the Crucible couldn't discriminate between Reapers and all synthetics considering that the stupid thing contains a Reaper component.  You know, the Reaper "Heart"/"Brain".

The kid is a liar.

think about this: in control the crucible discriminates by letting you control just the reapers , but in destroy it doesn't discriminate by destroying all synthetics. complete BS you should be able to kill just the reapers

[Big Bad]

SubAstris wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Last night was the first time since mid march that I watched the scene with TIM at the citadel in its entirety. I still cannot get over how unbelievably surreal and inexplicable that scene is. Watching it makes me feel like I am stoned or something, and not in a good way. To me at least, it still makes much more sense as a metaphor than as reality. It's just so...bizarre.

How is it so weird? What did you expect there to be that wasn't?

It isn't that I expected anything in particular, it's just that everything about it seems skewed...like you're watching the scene through the mood equivalent of a funhouse mirror. It's mostly a feeling, so I am not sure how to describe it exactly, but I feel like the cinematography is different, the dialogue and character reactions seem out of place, TIM has unprecedented and inexplicable powers, etc. All of that (and more) adds up to create this really surreal vibe, which I don't experience at any other point in the whole series.

[masster blaster]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

invetro wrote...

Does Harbinger say "Join us" before the beam hits? Or am I ridiculously in need of sleep?

I was wondering that... but then Marauder Shields killed me four times in a row...

"join with us" but it could also have gone "beare witness"

But my question is why Bioware would add that.?

[Dwailing]

masster blaster wrote...

ZerebusPrime wrote...

invetro wrote...

Does Harbinger say "Join us" before the beam hits? Or am I ridiculously in need of sleep?

I was wondering that... but then Marauder Shields killed me four times in a row...

"join with us" but it could also have gone "beare witness"

But my question is why Bioware would add that.?

Simple, they wanted to tease us even MORE.

[Andromidius]

Okay, I had a bit of sleep... And I have some generalised musing questions...

If the entire Mass Effect 3 team (excluding MP) was working on the EC, what were they doing during this time? Unless they spent most of their time in meetings, I'm unsure how we can even consider it 3 months of constant hard work from a whole team.

The additions to the story feel very shallow, like a fanfiction. The only meaty story additions are the extra dialogue with Starbinger (complete with even more circular logic and contraditions) which are all very passive-aggressive in nature (as if the game is angry that we need to ask what's actually going on). The epilogue speaches are all very stock and vague.

There's zero closure on individual characters, ignoring stock photo slides - seemingly the only two choices that matter being saving the Krogan and the Geth/Quarian peace? I didn't expect character epilogues when I picked Reject, but none of them give this!

Its hard to imagine how this was considered 'ready to release', honestly. The plot is a shambles with even more holes blasted in it, and the epilogue is an insult when compared to even older games (Fallout New Vegas, for example, has a very extensive selection of brief epilogues for each henchman - and its much less a character driven story, and yet is much more satisfying? Go figure).

Sigh. IT is the only good thing in all this mess. It leaves room for actual clarification and closure, and not a shallow watered down version which we actually got...

[UrgedDuke]

Jusseb wrote...

Well it's like they said, the created will always rebel against their creators. ME3 is rebelling against Bioware.

if the created will ALWAYS rebel agianst their creators then the reapers should have rebelled agains the starbrat by now. just dumb logic and a dumb concept

[Dwailing]

UrgedDuke wrote...

nukedflounder wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 You know, I was just thinking about something.  Why does Destroy, well, destroy all synthetic life?  They never really give a good explanation for this.  It's weird, to me anyway, that the Crucible couldn't discriminate between Reapers and all synthetics considering that the stupid thing contains a Reaper component.  You know, the Reaper "Heart"/"Brain".

The kid is a liar.

think about this: in control the crucible discriminates by letting you control just the reapers , but in destroy it doesn't discriminate by destroying all synthetics. complete BS you should be able to kill just the reapers

Yeah, exactly my point.  It's just too weird for me to believe anything other than IT.

[Tirian Thorn]

UrgedDuke wrote...

nukedflounder wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

 You know, I was just thinking about something.  Why does Destroy, well, destroy all synthetic life?  They never really give a good explanation for this.  It's weird, to me anyway, that the Crucible couldn't discriminate between Reapers and all synthetics considering that the stupid thing contains a Reaper component.  You know, the Reaper "Heart"/"Brain".

The kid is a liar.

think about this: in control the crucible discriminates by letting you control just the reapers , but in destroy it doesn't discriminate by destroying all synthetics. complete BS you should be able to kill just the reapers

If taken literally

I’d say that destroy is letting the crucible decide and it can’t discriminate between synthetics.

With control, Shepard’s consciousness is actively working and rather than use the energy of the crucible for destruction he/she is coopting the reaper signal and overriding it with his/her mind. 

[Dwailing]

UrgedDuke wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

Well it's like they said, the created will always rebel against their creators. ME3 is rebelling against Bioware.

if the created will ALWAYS rebel agianst their creators then the reapers should have rebelled agains the starbrat by now. just dumb logic and a dumb concept

Did you hear?  He ALSO rebelled against his creators.  And people STILL think we should trust him?

[SubAstris]

Big Bad wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Last night was the first time since mid march that I watched the scene with TIM at the citadel in its entirety. I still cannot get over how unbelievably surreal and inexplicable that scene is. Watching it makes me feel like I am stoned or something, and not in a good way. To me at least, it still makes much more sense as a metaphor than as reality. It's just so...bizarre.

How is it so weird? What did you expect there to be that wasn't?

It isn't that I expected anything in particular, it's just that everything about it seems skewed...like you're watching the scene through the mood equivalent of a funhouse mirror. It's mostly a feeling, so I am not sure how to describe it exactly, but I feel like the cinematography is different, the dialogue and character reactions seem out of place, TIM has unprecedented and inexplicable powers, etc. All of that (and more) adds up to create this really surreal vibe, which I don't experience at any other point in the whole series.

Shepard is under the influence of TIM, who is using Reaper Tech, hence why it does seem strange. TIM's powers are explained in Cronos Station where he has implants to control other forces using Reaper tech

[gpost]

EpyonX3 wrote...

gpost wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

gpost wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Daryslash wrote...

"In the "High EMS" Destroy ending, the only ending where Shepard survives (shown in the pile of rubble breath scene) is left unexplained. However, in the Low EMS Destroy ending, there is a new scene with a similar pile of rubble in london and a man pulling a helmet from it. This may reaffirm Shepard was on earth the whole time. Unless the crusible is made of stone and rebar."

Found this on ign wiki. What is this? We need vids.

Is it some random helmet or is it Shepard's helmet? But Shepard wasn't even wearing helmet (at least mine wasn't lol)
If it is a random helmet, why is this scene there? On the Low EMS ending and not on the High EMS?
Bah, forget it. I'm done speculating. I'M DONE.

OMG that helmet is in every ending epilouge. It's either laying there or someone picks it up. And it's not an N7 helmet either.

The helmet has the alliance arc logo on it

Like everyone else on earth. Does shepard have a helmet with the arc?

I'm pretty sure he only wear the N7 standard helmet, which doesn't have the alliance logo:

http://images.wikia....3_N7_helmet.png

Exactly. You might be agreeing with me I can't tell, but saying that it's Shepard's helmet is incorrect as they all have the alliance log on them and Shepard has no such helmet.

Sorry I am agreeing with you, haha - that scene is just an alliance soldier thinking about fallen comrades.

I think the biggest evidence at this point for IT is evidence towards "partial IT" - in other words, by showing that Starbrat can speak in a Reaper voice, it shows direct connection to the Reapers. And the only way the Reapers could show the Starbrat projection is if they somehow poked around in his memories.

Now that the EC is out I no longer think it was all a dream, but there still seem to be "indoctrinations attempts" with both TIM and Starbrat

[Overdrive1493]

Andromidius wrote...

Okay, I had a bit of sleep... And I have some generalised musing questions...

If the entire Mass Effect 3 team (excluding MP) was working on the EC, what were they doing during this time? Unless they spent most of their time in meetings, I'm unsure how we can even consider it 3 months of constant hard work from a whole team.

The additions to the story feel very shallow, like a fanfiction. The only meaty story additions are the extra dialogue with Starbinger (complete with even more circular logic and contraditions) which are all very passive-aggressive in nature (as if the game is angry that we need to ask what's actually going on). The epilogue speaches are all very stock and vague.

There's zero closure on individual characters, ignoring stock photo slides - seemingly the only two choices that matter being saving the Krogan and the Geth/Quarian peace? I didn't expect character epilogues when I picked Reject, but none of them give this!

Its hard to imagine how this was considered 'ready to release', honestly. The plot is a shambles with even more holes blasted in it, and the epilogue is an insult when compared to even older games (Fallout New Vegas, for example, has a very extensive selection of brief epilogues for each henchman - and its much less a character driven story, and yet is much more satisfying? Go figure).

Sigh. IT is the only good thing in all this mess. It leaves room for actual clarification and closure, and not a shallow watered down version which we actually got...

The EC was never meant to do any of that, aside from give more closure to the characters, which we did get. We get to see the reflection of our choices in greater detail, our squad isn't stranded, nor dead as we previously thought. Bioware repeated that they weren't changing the ending constantly. 

[UrgedDuke]

I don't get why control is even an option. Starbrat could simply make the reapers stop attacking and make them work with the organics. why does shepard need to do it and why does he have to die, it's just dumb

Modifié par UrgedDuke, 27 juin 2012 - 04:00 .