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[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Last night was the first time since mid march that I watched the scene with TIM at the citadel in its entirety. I still cannot get over how unbelievably surreal and inexplicable that scene is. Watching it makes me feel like I am stoned or something, and not in a good way. To me at least, it still makes much more sense as a metaphor than as reality. It's just so...bizarre.

How is it so weird? What did you expect there to be that wasn't?

It isn't that I expected anything in particular, it's just that everything about it seems skewed...like you're watching the scene through the mood equivalent of a funhouse mirror. It's mostly a feeling, so I am not sure how to describe it exactly, but I feel like the cinematography is different, the dialogue and character reactions seem out of place, TIM has unprecedented and inexplicable powers, etc. All of that (and more) adds up to create this really surreal vibe, which I don't experience at any other point in the whole series.

Shepard is under the influence of TIM, who is using Reaper Tech, hence why it does seem strange. TIM's powers are explained in Cronos Station where he has implants to control other forces using Reaper tech

Tim can control husks, not people. Andrson doesnt even have implants.

[Andromidius]

Dwailing wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

Jusseb wrote...

Well it's like they said, the created will always rebel against their creators. ME3 is rebelling against Bioware.

if the created will ALWAYS rebel agianst their creators then the reapers should have rebelled agains the starbrat by now. just dumb logic and a dumb concept

Did you hear?  He ALSO rebelled against his creators.  And people STILL think we should trust him?

I'm sure he gets a free pass somehow, since his creators were then turned into Reapers by him.  And thus he created his creators.  Who created him.

Sigh.

But yeah, he's full of it.  He's even less trustworthy now, because of the incredibly vague answers he gives.  He doesn't actually tell you anything new that couldn't have been inferred from previous conversations with others (namely, Vendetta).  And remember how in the Geth Concensus it could only show Shepard things from his/her own memory?

Yeah.  Sorry Harbinger, but no specific details and I'm not buying your little mind games.

[paxxton]

Dwailing wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So I watch the Extended Cut ending and a thought comes to my mind. If BioWare can do this quality ending why didn't they do it in the first place? How was that even remotely possible? It's not that they are unskilled or retarded - no, they are smart, talented people with diverse professional and personal backgrounds. The odds of sc***ing the ending so much (in comparison to the EC) are so slim that it's almost beyond comprehension. Why? Why? Why?

You know, they HAD asked for six more months of development time originally.  However, they only got three months of extra time (So it was released in March.).  Well, if you think about it, the EC took, oh look, three MORE months and came out in June, when they had WANTED the game to be released.  Coincidence?

Well, there are still so many lingering questions. E.g. why put the breath scene only in Destroy if not for IT? There should have been similar scenes in other options. Why there's music in the breath scene in Destroy in the EC? Where is Shepard? What happens after Rejection? Why the war isn't over in ME3? Why end Shepard's story if the Reapers aren't defeated?

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 04:02 .

[UrgedDuke]

i have to get back to work now see you guys later

[masster blaster]

FellishBeast wrote...

Also, watch this and tell me this doesn't contradict everything the Starchild "explains."

I'm sorry for being a downer earlier, but I really don't see how IT can continue after they've made it blatantly obvious they're standing by the literal endings, blah blah blah, you've heard it. But I'm sticking around ;p

Each one is Independent. So that Brat was liying about " Oh I control the Reapers they are my solution"

[Sero303]

Overdrive1493 wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Okay, I had a bit of sleep... And I have some generalised musing questions...

If the entire Mass Effect 3 team (excluding MP) was working on the EC, what were they doing during this time? Unless they spent most of their time in meetings, I'm unsure how we can even consider it 3 months of constant hard work from a whole team.

The additions to the story feel very shallow, like a fanfiction. The only meaty story additions are the extra dialogue with Starbinger (complete with even more circular logic and contraditions) which are all very passive-aggressive in nature (as if the game is angry that we need to ask what's actually going on). The epilogue speaches are all very stock and vague.

There's zero closure on individual characters, ignoring stock photo slides - seemingly the only two choices that matter being saving the Krogan and the Geth/Quarian peace? I didn't expect character epilogues when I picked Reject, but none of them give this!

Its hard to imagine how this was considered 'ready to release', honestly. The plot is a shambles with even more holes blasted in it, and the epilogue is an insult when compared to even older games (Fallout New Vegas, for example, has a very extensive selection of brief epilogues for each henchman - and its much less a character driven story, and yet is much more satisfying? Go figure).

Sigh. IT is the only good thing in all this mess. It leaves room for actual clarification and closure, and not a shallow watered down version which we actually got...

The EC was never meant to do any of that, aside from give more closure to the characters, which we did get. We get to see the reflection of our choices in greater detail, our squad isn't stranded, nor dead as we previously thought. Bioware repeated that they weren't changing the ending constantly. 

Your right, BUT half of what we got was basically a from a comic book, cheap and cheesy looking, a real slap in the face. They chose to stick with what they had and in the 3+ months they had to work on it came up with that? why bother really? If I wanted a comic book I would have bought one...

[Andromidius]

Overdrive1493 wrote...

The EC was never meant to do any of that, aside from give more closure to the characters, which we did get. We get to see the reflection of our choices in greater detail, our squad isn't stranded, nor dead as we previously thought. Bioware repeated that they weren't changing the ending constantly. 

No, they said it would add clarity and closure.  They added neither for a lot of people.

And they did change the ending, many details are altered.  This changes the ending considerably.  So sorry, but this was a lie from Bioware.  The endings have been changed, we just have the same three bad choices (which have actually been made slightly worse, go figure) and a forth 'you lose haha 'option''.

[paxxton]

Ray Muzyka is EA's corporate vice president. It's not that he has no saying when it comes to release dates. It simply doesn't make sense. Something went terribly wrong there or BioWare is still teasing the fans by not talking about IT.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 04:10 .

[SS2Dante]

Hmm so looks like Indoc is wrong (barring some leaps that I wouldn't be comfortable making). Shame for gaming in general.

Ec was...eh.

Buuuuut Bioware gets many bonus points for shooting the starchild ending

[ZerebusPrime]

Is it just me, or is it that the longer the conversation with the Catalyst drags on, the more distant Shepard sounds? He starts out sounding almost normal, but by the end it's like he's brain fried.

[Tankcommander]

UrgedDuke wrote...

I don't get why control is even an option. Starbrat could simply make the reapers stop attacking and make them work with the organics. why does shepard need to do it and why does he have to die, it's just dumb

Agreed, but it is still the best ending, since everyone else lives, and you don't force the magical synthesis on everyone.

[Overdrive1493]

It was free and they didn't want to change the ending. They did the best they could given their resources. You can't expect 50 new scenes and tons of new content for a free price tag, 3 months, and a bunch of fan backlash. Like it or not Bioware were the ones who chose the original ending, it makes sense that they want to change it the least amount as possible, they aren't making the game to please the fans.

The EC does add closure. Nobody is stranded in the Sol relay. The Normandy gets off the planet it was stranded on. We see a glimpse of the future and reflection of our choices. That's closure! You can argue that it's not the closure you want, but it's still closure.

[Big Bad]

SubAstris wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Last night was the first time since mid march that I watched the scene with TIM at the citadel in its entirety. I still cannot get over how unbelievably surreal and inexplicable that scene is. Watching it makes me feel like I am stoned or something, and not in a good way. To me at least, it still makes much more sense as a metaphor than as reality. It's just so...bizarre.

How is it so weird? What did you expect there to be that wasn't?

It isn't that I expected anything in particular, it's just that everything about it seems skewed...like you're watching the scene through the mood equivalent of a funhouse mirror. It's mostly a feeling, so I am not sure how to describe it exactly, but I feel like the cinematography is different, the dialogue and character reactions seem out of place, TIM has unprecedented and inexplicable powers, etc. All of that (and more) adds up to create this really surreal vibe, which I don't experience at any other point in the whole series.

Shepard is under the influence of TIM, who is using Reaper Tech, hence why it does seem strange. TIM's powers are explained in Cronos Station where he has implants to control other forces using Reaper tech

As far as I am aware, the Chronos station mission provides no basis for TIM's ability to mechanically control non-reaperized humans.

[FellishBeast]

SubAstris wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Last night was the first time since mid march that I watched the scene with TIM at the citadel in its entirety. I still cannot get over how unbelievably surreal and inexplicable that scene is. Watching it makes me feel like I am stoned or something, and not in a good way. To me at least, it still makes much more sense as a metaphor than as reality. It's just so...bizarre.

How is it so weird? What did you expect there to be that wasn't?

It isn't that I expected anything in particular, it's just that everything about it seems skewed...like you're watching the scene through the mood equivalent of a funhouse mirror. It's mostly a feeling, so I am not sure how to describe it exactly, but I feel like the cinematography is different, the dialogue and character reactions seem out of place, TIM has unprecedented and inexplicable powers, etc. All of that (and more) adds up to create this really surreal vibe, which I don't experience at any other point in the whole series.

Shepard is under the influence of TIM, who is using Reaper Tech, hence why it does seem strange. TIM's powers are explained in Cronos Station where he has implants to control other forces using Reaper tech

Do you know why TIM's face is all weird in that scene?

[SubAstris]

Big Bad wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Last night was the first time since mid march that I watched the scene with TIM at the citadel in its entirety. I still cannot get over how unbelievably surreal and inexplicable that scene is. Watching it makes me feel like I am stoned or something, and not in a good way. To me at least, it still makes much more sense as a metaphor than as reality. It's just so...bizarre.

How is it so weird? What did you expect there to be that wasn't?

It isn't that I expected anything in particular, it's just that everything about it seems skewed...like you're watching the scene through the mood equivalent of a funhouse mirror. It's mostly a feeling, so I am not sure how to describe it exactly, but I feel like the cinematography is different, the dialogue and character reactions seem out of place, TIM has unprecedented and inexplicable powers, etc. All of that (and more) adds up to create this really surreal vibe, which I don't experience at any other point in the whole series.

Shepard is under the influence of TIM, who is using Reaper Tech, hence why it does seem strange. TIM's powers are explained in Cronos Station where he has implants to control other forces using Reaper tech

As far as I am aware, the Chronos station mission provides no basis for TIM's ability to mechanically control non-reaperized humans.

It does provide a reason why he has limited control of other forces, not necessarily Reapers

[ZerebusPrime]

Tankcommander wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

I don't get why control is even an option. Starbrat could simply make the reapers stop attacking and make them work with the organics. why does shepard need to do it and why does he have to die, it's just dumb

Agreed, but it is still the best ending, since everyone else lives, and you don't force the magical synthesis on everyone.

If what the starchild says is true, that he is a gestalt being representing the collective intelligence of all the Reapers, then wouldn't Shepard be just one more brain in the proverbial vat?  By all accounts, Reaper minds are immense.  Any control that Shepard could exert would be dependent upon the Reapers allowing it, IMHO.  Eventually the Catalyst could deem this experiment a failure a shift the Shepard program to the backseat.

[v0rt3x22]

I'm going home now and I'll be able to discuss all my views on IT for the rest of the day - but while I'm gone - have a read through BioWare's comments on the Refusal ending.....unbelievable....I can't believe it:

http://social.biowar.../index/12774589

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 27 juin 2012 - 04:12 .

[Andromidius]

SS2Dante wrote...

Hmm so looks like Indoc is wrong (barring some leaps that I wouldn't be comfortable making). Shame for gaming in general.

Ec was...eh.

Buuuuut Bioware gets many bonus points for shooting the starchild ending

Its not wrong.  Its actually got more traction behind it now, based on the conversation with Starbinger and the fact the breath scene is still there (and now easier to get).

So sorry, IT is still alive.  Sorry to disappoint you.

[SS2Dante]

Tankcommander wrote...

UrgedDuke wrote...

I don't get why control is even an option. Starbrat could simply make the reapers stop attacking and make them work with the organics. why does shepard need to do it and why does he have to die, it's just dumb

Agreed, but it is still the best ending, since everyone else lives, and you don't force the magical synthesis on everyone.

Playing devils advocate here since I don't really care, but you could argue that Control enslaves the Reapers, while synthesis merely enhances humans physically and synthetics emotionally, without changing who they are. 

[Dwailing]

ZerebusPrime wrote...

Is it just me, or is it that the longer the conversation with the Catalyst drags on, the more distant Shepard sounds? He starts out sounding almost normal, but by the end it's like he's brain fried.

Yeah, I agree with this wholeheartedly.  Also, have you tried telling the Star-Brat that you won't use the Crucible when he tells you what Destroy does?  For a moment, Shepard sounded like he was going to snap out of it, and Star-Brat's voice took on an even greater echo than before.  Listen to this dialogue and tell me that it doesn't sound like Shepard is about to snap out of a dream/hallucination for a minute.  
 

[Stigweird85]

Well no indoctrination, and I love how they reacted to the "it's the same ending with different colours" with DLC that gives a very similar ending(save for the voiceover) with different colours.

I cringed when I saw the synthesis ending was the same as destroy except everyone had glowing eyes.

Edit - Also the new edit does seem to make synthesis the best option, although yet another gaping plot whole as Starchild says they couldn't achieve it before now - Then why did Saren try to do it? Or is the failed attempt that Starchild talks about Sarens attempt?

Modifié par bigstig, 27 juin 2012 - 04:17 .

[Andromidius]

Overdrive1493 wrote...

It was free and they didn't want to change the ending. They did the best they could given their resources. You can't expect 50 new scenes and tons of new content for a free price tag, 3 months, and a bunch of fan backlash. Like it or not Bioware were the ones who chose the original ending, it makes sense that they want to change it the least amount as possible, they aren't making the game to please the fans.

The EC does add closure. Nobody is stranded in the Sol relay. The Normandy gets off the planet it was stranded on. We see a glimpse of the future and reflection of our choices. That's closure! You can argue that it's not the closure you want, but it's still closure.

If you're happy with a muddled mess of unnecessary plot holes, that's great.

I'm not.  Not even slightly.

[Andromidius]

Oh god, Starbinger saying the Reapers are like a cleansing fire... Trying to make out they are a force of nature, and thus aren't evil.

Sorry, that's bull. Fire doesn't have intelligence or free will, merely obeys chemical laws.

Its as convincing as a murderer using the "It wasn't my fault I stabbed lots of people, its society!" defense.

[SS2Dante]

bigstig wrote...

Well no indoctrination, and I love how they reacted to the "it's the same ending with different colours" with DLC that gives a very similar ending(save for the voiceover) with different colours.

I cringed when I saw the synthesis ending was the same as destroy except everyone had glowing eyes.

Edit - Also the new edit does seem to make synthesis the best option, although yet another gaping plot whole as Starchild says they couldn't achieve it before now - Then why did Saren try to do it? Or is the failed attempt that Starchild talks about Sarens attempt?

Saren didn't do synthesis, he just got Reaper tech. Synthesis involves changing everyone, fully.

...with magic.

[Overdrive1493]

Andromidius wrote...

Overdrive1493 wrote...

It was free and they didn't want to change the ending. They did the best they could given their resources. You can't expect 50 new scenes and tons of new content for a free price tag, 3 months, and a bunch of fan backlash. Like it or not Bioware were the ones who chose the original ending, it makes sense that they want to change it the least amount as possible, they aren't making the game to please the fans.

The EC does add closure. Nobody is stranded in the Sol relay. The Normandy gets off the planet it was stranded on. We see a glimpse of the future and reflection of our choices. That's closure! You can argue that it's not the closure you want, but it's still closure.

If you're happy with a muddled mess of unnecessary plot holes, that's great.

I'm not.  Not even slightly.

Well they're not going to add anymore to the ending, so go cry somewhere else.