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[paxxton]

I still haven't got any answer on why the Starchild changes his voice in Reject.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 04:23 .

[Big Bad]

SubAstris wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Last night was the first time since mid march that I watched the scene with TIM at the citadel in its entirety. I still cannot get over how unbelievably surreal and inexplicable that scene is. Watching it makes me feel like I am stoned or something, and not in a good way. To me at least, it still makes much more sense as a metaphor than as reality. It's just so...bizarre.

How is it so weird? What did you expect there to be that wasn't?

It isn't that I expected anything in particular, it's just that everything about it seems skewed...like you're watching the scene through the mood equivalent of a funhouse mirror. It's mostly a feeling, so I am not sure how to describe it exactly, but I feel like the cinematography is different, the dialogue and character reactions seem out of place, TIM has unprecedented and inexplicable powers, etc. All of that (and more) adds up to create this really surreal vibe, which I don't experience at any other point in the whole series.

Shepard is under the influence of TIM, who is using Reaper Tech, hence why it does seem strange. TIM's powers are explained in Cronos Station where he has implants to control other forces using Reaper tech

As far as I am aware, the Chronos station mission provides no basis for TIM's ability to mechanically control non-reaperized humans.

It does provide a reason why he has limited control of other forces, not necessarily Reapers

What is the reason? We've never even seen the Reapers exert the kind of control over non-indoctrinated organics that TIM wields over Anderson and Shepard.

[SS2Dante]

Andromidius wrote...

Oh god, Starbinger saying the Reapers are like a cleansing fire... Trying to make out they are a force of nature, and thus aren't evil.

Sorry, that's bull. Fire doesn't have intelligence or free will, merely obeys chemical laws.

Its as convincing as a murderer using the "It wasn't my fault I stabbed lots of people, its society!" defense.

You ould get deep here. i mean, does "free will" even exists? Every decision you make is simply your brain obeying chemical laws

[SS2Dante]

paxxton wrote...

I still haven't got any answer on why the Starchild changes his voice in Reject.

Because he doesn't need to play nice any more? Presumably the Reaper voice is closer to his "actual" one.

[shepskisaac]

paxxton wrote...

I still haven't got any answer on why the Starchild changes his voice in Reject.

Indoctrination Theory of course. Bioware spend months creating the dream and then another 4 months to expand on the dream (with free DLC) instead of revealing the "wake up" true ending. Totally. Really.

Modifié par IsaacShep, 27 juin 2012 - 04:21 .

[paxxton]

It may be that before Reject the Catalyst is in suspended state. He doesn't know what to do next. After input from Shepard (Reject) he reverts to a hostile state because no new parameters have been defined.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 04:26 .

[XxDarkTimexX]

Do the dreams still have oily shadows in it still and reaper growls because if it they still do have it then why is mass effect lore on indoctriation ingored in mass effect 3. The rachni queen said you see oily shadows and reaper noise during dreams or something like that. I'm just asking is it still in the game thats all. Thoughts!!

[InnerTurmoil]

So the Normandy is outfitted with a Thanix Canon that is one of the most powerful weapons in the galaxy, made from Reaper technology, and has a recharge of five seconds.  Instead of carving up all the little (destroyer) Reapers in London,  Shepard gets to run around London and say goodbye to his/her friends for 45 mins to an hour.  Then as soon as your squadmates are hurt, the Normandy flies down, pretty much lands, and deploys troops!  Why couldn't Shepard just hitch a ride on the Normandy around Harbinger and enter the beam from the other side?  It seems that harbinger would have a hard time making a 180 degree turn on the ground, and I have not seen a Reaper shoot their lasers backwards.  No, quickly Shepard, run towards the most dangerous enemy of all time, no time to think!

P.S  Sure now of Indoctrination Theory.  No way that the crew of the Normandy would declare him/her dead until they had conformation.  "Well, its been 15 minutes... time to print the names for the wall..."  Plus, if Shepard actually lives, they could get in contact with the Normany almost immediately, since Normandy is fine now and the QTC should still be working.

P.P.S  The kid basically beats you over the head in the EC about Shepard's sybernetic implants and how the Crucible will destroy all synthetics, yet that is the only choice in which Shepard lives?  Total BS.

[Stigweird85]

SS2Dante wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Well no indoctrination, and I love how they reacted to the "it's the same ending with different colours" with DLC that gives a very similar ending(save for the voiceover) with different colours.

I cringed when I saw the synthesis ending was the same as destroy except everyone had glowing eyes.

Edit - Also the new edit does seem to make synthesis the best option, although yet another gaping plot whole as Starchild says they couldn't achieve it before now - Then why did Saren try to do it? Or is the failed attempt that Starchild talks about Sarens attempt?

Saren didn't do synthesis, he just got Reaper tech. Synthesis involves changing everyone, fully.

...with magic.

Doesn't he actually talk about the merger of Steel and Flesh the strengths of both, the weaknessess of neither? Sounds likes synthesis to me

[Andromidius]

Overdrive1493 wrote...

Well they're not going to add anymore to the ending, so go cry somewhere else. 

Good advice!  Only this is the IT thread, so I'm afraid this is where I'm supposed to be.  Where are you supposed to be? 

[Dwailing]

Well, you know what, I think I'm off for now. I'll see you all later, though it might be some time. I honestly don't know what I'm going to do next, but I do know this, I think I might take a break from speculating. It's been fun, but I just think it's time to take a break. To quote Anderson, "God, it feels like years since I just sat down."

[Uncle Jo]

IsaacShep wrote...

Indoctrination Theory of course. Bioware spend months creating the dream and then another 4 months to expand on the dream (with free DLC) instead of revealing the "wake up" true ending. Totally. Really.

Weren't you an IT supporter ? I recall you've posted many times in old IT-thread.

[Jere85]

Any posts from BioWare of interviews or youtube vids from the company or people discussing the EC? I'm curious what people have to say

[Andromidius]

SS2Dante wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh god, Starbinger saying the Reapers are like a cleansing fire... Trying to make out they are a force of nature, and thus aren't evil.

Sorry, that's bull. Fire doesn't have intelligence or free will, merely obeys chemical laws.

Its as convincing as a murderer using the "It wasn't my fault I stabbed lots of people, its society!" defense.

You ould get deep here. i mean, does "free will" even exists? Every decision you make is simply your brain obeying chemical laws

The fact we can go against our nature.  Basically if we're to beleive Starbinger's excuses, we have to accept his admission that he's a very primative synthetic lifeform with no free will.  And thus should be pitied for being less advanced then the Geth even before their upgrades.

So much for them being beyond our comprehension.

[Stigweird85]

paxxton wrote...

I still haven't got any answer on why the Starchild changes his voice in Reject.

I thought that his voice was changing as we were now hearing the true Reaper voice, and tbh when he growled So Be It, I thought okay here is is a boss battle with Harbringer of something but nope.

I didn't mind no boss battle in the original cut, but with EC it is blatently setting up a boss battle that goes nowhere

[Andromidius]

paxxton wrote...

It may be that before Reject the Catalyst is in suspended state. He doesn't know what to do next. After input from Shepard (Reject) he reverts to a hostile state because no new parameters have been defined.

Though he goes back to his 'nice' voice right afterwards.

Its clear its just frustrated and angry, and its an uncontrolled outburst like a child throwing its toys out of the pram.

XxDarkTimexX wrote...

Do the dreams still have oily
shadows in it still and reaper growls because if it they still do have
it then why is mass effect lore on indoctriation ingored in mass effect
3. The rachni queen said you see oily shadows and reaper noise during
dreams or something like that. I'm just asking is it still in the game
thats all. Thoughts!!

Its exactly the same.  Hense why IT is still strong.

Modifié par Andromidius, 27 juin 2012 - 04:28 .

[Lord Goose]

There should
have been similar scenes in other options.

Destroy it is ambigous, we don't know what happens to Shepard. So, breath scene is the answer to that question, availible if you spend enough time in multiplayer. Extra, in other words.

Where are no such important, but easy-to-answer questions in other endings.

Fine explanation?

[Big Bad]

SS2Dante wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh god, Starbinger saying the Reapers are like a cleansing fire... Trying to make out they are a force of nature, and thus aren't evil.

Sorry, that's bull. Fire doesn't have intelligence or free will, merely obeys chemical laws.

Its as convincing as a murderer using the "It wasn't my fault I stabbed lots of people, its society!" defense.

You ould get deep here. i mean, does "free will" even exists? Every decision you make is simply your brain obeying chemical laws

The cleansing fire excuse for Reaper genocide kind of reminds me of how in No Country for Old Men, Anton Chigur justifies his murder by claiming the result of the coin toss controls his action, as if his will has no say in the matter.

[llbountyhunter]

Lord Goose wrote...

There should
have been similar scenes in other options.

Destroy it is ambigous, we don't know what happens to Shepard. So, breath scene is the answer to that question, availible if you spend enough time in multiplayer. Extra, in other words.

Where are no such important, but easy-to-answer questions in other endings.

Fine explanation?

In the EC starbrat makes it very clear that shepard is supposed to die.....

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

I still haven't got any answer on why the Starchild changes his voice in Reject.

I've answered this like 4 times already.

[masster blaster]

byne wrote...

Salmakia wrote...

Did anybody noticed that they cut the dialogue that supports IT? Anderson doesn't tell you that he got into the beam after you anymore. Hackett gets confirmation of you entering the beam.

AND.

The trees are still there. Why?

Anderson still told me that.

Okay but I did not see Anderson at all knocked out lying on the floor and is in't it weird that Anderson comes out of the same place which in fact is a lie because when the door opens you can see the plat forms are mot moving.

[SS2Dante]

bigstig wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

bigstig wrote...

Well no indoctrination, and I love how they reacted to the "it's the same ending with different colours" with DLC that gives a very similar ending(save for the voiceover) with different colours.

I cringed when I saw the synthesis ending was the same as destroy except everyone had glowing eyes.

Edit - Also the new edit does seem to make synthesis the best option, although yet another gaping plot whole as Starchild says they couldn't achieve it before now - Then why did Saren try to do it? Or is the failed attempt that Starchild talks about Sarens attempt?

Saren didn't do synthesis, he just got Reaper tech. Synthesis involves changing everyone, fully.

...with magic.

Doesn't he actually talk about the merger of Steel and Flesh the strengths of both, the weaknessess of neither? Sounds likes synthesis to me

Yes, because that's what a Reaper is. Putting it very broadly the idea of synthesis is what Saren wanted, but that's only cos he was indoctrinated. But if you're talking about the Synthesis choice, it's not the idea, it's a massive practical application. not really the same.

[Andromidius]

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

There should
have been similar scenes in other options.

Destroy it is ambigous, we don't know what happens to Shepard. So, breath scene is the answer to that question, availible if you spend enough time in multiplayer. Extra, in other words.

Where are no such important, but easy-to-answer questions in other endings.

Fine explanation?

In the EC starbrat makes it very clear that shepard is supposed to die.....

Yeah, he doesn't even imply it anymore.  He outright states it.

So basically, Starbinger expects Shepard to die.  No matter what.

Very benevolent of him.

[MilitanT07]

 Is it me or shepard voice can be heard MUCH clearer in the extended cut?
They are also paying and showing more of shepard's indactronated eyes when choosing control and synthetic.

[llbountyhunter]

MilitanT07 wrote...

 Is it me or shepard voice can be heard MUCH clearer in the extended cut?
They are also paying and showing more of shepard's indactronated eyes when choosing control and synthetic.

Yeah i got that too.