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[XxDarkTimexX]

 thanks thats giving me some hope for IT.

Modifié par XxDarkTimexX, 27 juin 2012 - 04:37 .

[Squallypo]

paxxton wrote...

I still haven't got any answer on why the Starchild changes his voice in Reject.

he was harby all along!

[SS2Dante]

Andromidius wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh god, Starbinger saying the Reapers are like a cleansing fire... Trying to make out they are a force of nature, and thus aren't evil.

Sorry, that's bull. Fire doesn't have intelligence or free will, merely obeys chemical laws.

Its as convincing as a murderer using the "It wasn't my fault I stabbed lots of people, its society!" defense.

You ould get deep here. i mean, does "free will" even exists? Every decision you make is simply your brain obeying chemical laws

The fact we can go against our nature.  Basically if we're to beleive Starbinger's excuses, we have to accept his admission that he's a very primative synthetic lifeform with no free will.  And thus should be pitied for being less advanced then the Geth even before their upgrades.

So much for them being beyond our comprehension.

"Going against our nature" isn't an example of free will, though.

But anyhoo can't be bothered with this discussion online, so I'll leave it

Modifié par SS2Dante, 27 juin 2012 - 04:37 .

[magicalpoop]

...the indoctrination theory is false and out the window guys...seriously.

[Andromidius]

SS2Dante wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

SS2Dante wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

Oh god, Starbinger saying the Reapers are like a cleansing fire... Trying to make out they are a force of nature, and thus aren't evil.

Sorry, that's bull. Fire doesn't have intelligence or free will, merely obeys chemical laws.

Its as convincing as a murderer using the "It wasn't my fault I stabbed lots of people, its society!" defense.

You ould get deep here. i mean, does "free will" even exists? Every decision you make is simply your brain obeying chemical laws

The fact we can go against our nature.  Basically if we're to beleive Starbinger's excuses, we have to accept his admission that he's a very primative synthetic lifeform with no free will.  And thus should be pitied for being less advanced then the Geth even before their upgrades.

So much for them being beyond our comprehension.

"Going against our nature" isn't an example of free will, though.

But anyhoo can't be bothered with this discussion online, so I'll leave it

Erm, yes it is!  That's the definition of free will, choosing what you do rather then obeying instinct!

[MilitanT07]

Also, didn't they ask illusive man voice actor to do additional voice over for the EC, I didn't notice any new lines...

[Lord Goose]

Yeah, he doesn't even imply it anymore. He outright states
it.

I watched Destroy ending, but it seems like they didn't have changed that line at all. Shepard is still only partially synthetic, right?

Also, two small differences. Shepard actually asks for another option after Catalyst explains destroy , even though destroy is now portrayed in a much more positive light.

[llbountyhunter]

magicalpoop wrote...

...the indoctrination theory is false and out the window guys...seriously.

I didnt realize you were above the bioware team to make such a call.

[llbountyhunter]

Lord Goose wrote...

Yeah, he doesn't even imply it anymore. He outright states
it.

I watched Destroy ending, but it seems like they didn't have changed that line at all. Shepard is still only partially synthetic, right?

Also, two small differences. Shepard actually asks for another option after Catalyst explains destroy , even though destroy is now portrayed in a much more positive light.

Are you sure? he very explicitly says that the crucible does not discriminate and that shepard will die.


Destroy is now the worst for sure, if taken literally.

Modifié par llbountyhunter, 27 juin 2012 - 04:41 .

[v0rt3x22]

and I'm back. What's new?

[Rifneno]

Dwailing wrote...

Actually, as much as I wanted IT to be confirmed or denied, they did EXACTLY what Jessica said. They neither confirmed or denied the IT. In fact, I actually think that the Rejection ending makes no sense outside of IT.

It's funny, that article you linked in the previous post claims that rejection ending "conclusively kills off that IT stuff." Herp a derp. (To the writer of course, not you)
Jessica Merizan? She also claimed Shepard would be reunited with LI, ect. When EC came out and people called her on her lies, she claimed she meant you can headcanon it. Oh, we have permission to headcanon it? Thanks!

[Uncle Jo]

Rifneno wrote...


It's funny, that article you linked in the previous post claims that rejection ending "conclusively kills off that IT stuff." Herp a derp. (To the writer of course, not you)
Jessica Merizan? She also claimed Shepard would be reunited with LI, ect. When EC came out and people called her on her lies, she claimed she meant you can headcanon it. Oh, we have permission to headcanon it? Thanks!

IMO if Shep was reunited with her LI after destroy ending, it would have flat-out dismissed the IT.

[Andromidius]

Rifneno wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Actually, as much as I wanted IT to be confirmed or denied, they did EXACTLY what Jessica said. They neither confirmed or denied the IT. In fact, I actually think that the Rejection ending makes no sense outside of IT.

It's funny, that article you linked in the previous post claims that rejection ending "conclusively kills off that IT stuff." Herp a derp. (To the writer of course, not you)
Jessica Merizan? She also claimed Shepard would be reunited with LI, ect. When EC came out and people called her on her lies, she claimed she meant you can headcanon it. Oh, we have permission to headcanon it? Thanks!

Yeah, as suspected she was either lying or guessing without knowing the real answer.

No suprises there, you can't take anything she says at face value.

[Big Bad]

magicalpoop wrote...

...the indoctrination theory is false and out the window guys...seriously.

I am more inclined to agree with you than disagree, however why you and so many other people feel the need to come in here and inform us over and over and over is something that I simply cannot understand.

[Trollgunner]

Heh, I still like IT and ppl who support it. But bioware doesn't ( or is it? ) so they tried to put out fires around this theory with "Refuse" ending. Oops, I think they didn't use an extinguisher, and by mistake used some kind of flametrower. Do you smell something? It's Bioware is roasting in this fire, or they are the "cooking" on it the Leviathan DLC

Modifié par Trollgunner, 27 juin 2012 - 04:48 .

[v0rt3x22]

Did you guys read what BioWare said on refuse?

[Uncle Jo]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Did you guys read what BioWare said on refuse?

What did they say ?

[Overdrive1493]

masster blaster wrote...

byne wrote...

Salmakia wrote...

Did anybody noticed that they cut the dialogue that supports IT? Anderson doesn't tell you that he got into the beam after you anymore. Hackett gets confirmation of you entering the beam.

AND.

The trees are still there. Why?

Anderson still told me that.

Okay but I did not see Anderson at all knocked out lying on the floor and is in't it weird that Anderson comes out of the same place which in fact is a lie because when the door opens you can see the plat forms are mot moving.

Just a mistake on the writer's part, nothing more. Replace "followed you up" with "got here a minute before you" and it works, Anderson got through the beam before Shepard. 

[Big Bad]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Did you guys read what BioWare said on refuse?

No, do you have a link?

[Trollgunner]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Did you guys read what BioWare said on refuse?

Couldn't find it :< Can you quote it and bring it here?

[senshi420]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Did you guys read what BioWare said on refuse?

if your talking about the stuff alan said in the refusal is dumb thread, he's on the dragon age team and not to be considered an official source, now if you got something from someone on the team however....link it up

[Lord Goose]

Are you sure? he very explicitly says that the crucible does
not discriminate and that shepard will die.

Well, before it was: Crucible will wipe out all synthetic life, including the geth, even you are partially synthetic.
Now it is: All synthetic life will be destroyed indiscriminately, even you are partially synthetic.

It is definitely more positive in other aspects. Technology would be lost, but can be easily rebuilt. Many will die, but many already died before. I actually was very surprised and confused why Shepard asks for another option after that. It was in character for my Shepard, but still unexpected as part of auto-dialogue.

[shepskisaac]

MilitanT07 wrote...

Also, didn't they ask illusive man voice actor to do additional voice over for the EC, I didn't notice any new lines...

No wonder considering what Martin Sheen's paycheck probably is. Plus, TIM didn't need any new lines really

[XxDarkTimexX]

llbountyhunter wrote...

magicalpoop wrote...

...the indoctrination theory is false and out the window guys...seriously.

I didnt realize you were above the bioware team to make such a call.

only three poltholes are still left.

1. The dreams are still the same, with the affects of indoctriation still there.  (look for indoctriation in mass effect lore but not just the codex)

2. The three explosions are still there and if you look at the galaxy map and the three ending both ec and not ec its not the local cluster.

3. Sheperd waking up

answer those plot holes with the mass effect lore and the EC, not your opinion but fact

[v0rt3x22]

This one shows only BioWare comments: http://social.biowar...x/12774589&lf=8
This is the thread itself: http://social.biowar...dex/12774589/14

It's a fascinating read.....but one I just cannot fathom:

At the end of the day, I never expected my forces to take out the Reapers. I was undergunned, undermanned and outclassed by a race of sentient machines that had access to technology which one can assume is the sum total of countless 50 000 year cycles of technological evolution.

Of all the endings, Control is still the most appropriate to my canon Shepard.

But to me? Refuse is the human option.

I really don't see how they made these endings so ambiguous.

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 27 juin 2012 - 04:54 .