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Was the Ending a Hallucination? - Indoctrination Theory Mark II!


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Lord Goose wrote...




No, IT can be used to defeat the reapers.


Currents ending are:

1. Commander Shepard used Crucible to destroy Reapers.
2. Commander Shepard used Crucible to control Reapers.
3. Commander Shepard used Crucible to synthesise Reapers.
4. Commander Shepard refused to use Crucible. Bad end.

If IT is true, where should be new ending.

1. Commander Shepard defeated Reapers in mind to mind battle, and they all died.

Logic.

*sigh* Can't you read between lines or see figurative meaning of things?

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 06:11 .


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Lokanaiya wrote...

Since it looks like there probably won't be another ending DLC and even if there is it would be a long ways away, I had an idea. How about we collectively write our own IT ending (Like Jessica Merizan said we should, trolls) where Shepard gets up and defeats the Reapers if he picked Destroy (maybe Refusal also) or helps the Reapers if he chose Control/Synthesis. I have a few ideas about how it could work, but what does everyone else (non-troll) think? :)


Been done already.

Might have to adjust it now though.

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I'm still hoping for a ME4 announcement at Comic Con.

 

I say; better! ME3 expansion pack.

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@Cecilia L
That would be nice, but I don't think that they would announce it this soon after ME3 and the EC.

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paxxton wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...


No, IT can be used to defeat the reapers.


Currents ending are:

1. Commander Shepard used Crucible to destroy Reapers.
2. Commander Shepard used Crucible to control Reapers.
3. Commander Shepard used Crucible to synthesise Reapers.
4. Commander Shepard refused to use Crucible. Bad end.

If IT is true, where should be new ending.

1. Commander Shepard defeated Reapers in mind to mind battle, and they all died.

Logic.

*sigh* Can't you read between lines or see figurative meaning of things?


No. He seriously can't.

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Arian Dynas wrote...

I say; better! ME3 expansion pack.


Mass Effect 3: Awakening ;)

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Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...


No, IT can be used to defeat the reapers.


Currents ending are:

1. Commander Shepard used Crucible to destroy Reapers.
2. Commander Shepard used Crucible to control Reapers.
3. Commander Shepard used Crucible to synthesise Reapers.
4. Commander Shepard refused to use Crucible. Bad end.

If IT is true, where should be new ending.

1. Commander Shepard defeated Reapers in mind to mind battle, and they all died.

Logic.

*sigh* Can't you read between lines or see figurative meaning of things?


No. He seriously can't.


Does paxxton not understand why we call them literalists? :whistle:

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SubAstris and others arguing against IT, remember that it had different versions. Also I have pointed out where we were partially right. The entire theory was wrong, but parts of it were right. I encourage you to read my post some pages back and see what you think. It's a nice compromise, I think.

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paxxton wrote...

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paxxton wrote...

The message after Stargazer scene congratulates the player on ending the Reaper threat. But choosing Reject leaves the war going on. Am I missing something here?


The reapers are destroyed in the next cycle. They attribute the victory to Shepard anyway because he made it possible. The reapers took heavy losses in our push to the Citadel. The story of how one man united a galaxy must have kept the future cycle from splitting apart in preparation for the reapers.

Wow. You must have played some yet-unreleased post-ending DLC. Because the Reapers controlled almost the whole Galaxy just before the Battle of Earth. And the last place I saw all the forces of the Galaxy was near Earth.


The reapers barely lose a single capital ship each cycle. For some reason destroyers are counted but we can assume the losses are low for them as well. But with the assualt on earth, you see badly damaged and dead capital ships. These ships are not easy to replace as the require a lot of genetic material. I consider losing more than more than one capital ship in an all out battle in the beginning of harvesting a heavy loss. 

Also, the future has a strategy to avoid being divided and conquered. If they all stick together, explore the citadel more, search for dead reapers from the last battle and overcome political barriers, then they have a better chance at beating them conventionally than before.

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Trollgunner wrote...

Just a mere question : After getting your hand on EC, how many of you picked Refuse option('cuz of cool Shepard's speech) on your first re-visit on citadel?


I was so irritated with the Catalyst (all I was hearing was "Blah blah blah I'm a Reaper blah blah blah") that I shot him immediately once he stopped talking.

Then it started going to a cutscene, I panicked and alt-tabbed out, did the end parts over and picked Destroy.

And then I watched the Refuse ending on YouTube. I did like Shepard's speech, but I still think Destroy is the best option.

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You cant just include logic as the last word in your post and expect that to make up for the post's logic quota.

Well, pretend it is not here?

That I'm trying to say, that current endings have explanation about, well, almost everything (except Refuse). How Reapers were defeated, what happened to squad, Shepard's ultimate fate, and how the war changed Galaxy.

IT has none of this. Shepard simply wakes up after hit by Harbinger's beam. How Reapers are defeated? What Crucible does? What would happen after?

Modifié par Lord Goose, 27 juin 2012 - 06:11 .


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Oh I also forgot to mention that if IT is wrong then WHY as it NOT BEEN CLOSED and that also goes for the evidence that we found in the EC files so ya???? many can argue oh it's because of this but really people. IF Bioware wanted to disprove IT they would have done it on the day it was created and the files of EC that reveled that a rogue Reaper helps Shepard and yes it was confirmed that we have heard of this Reaper before in ME1. So ya that's the Big question what does this mean about a rogue Reaper, and it says that if you pick control Harby goes missing and guess what a rogue Reaper kills another Reaper. My guess it's either Harby or Shepard that dies if you pick Control, and if you do pick Control then the BRAT SIMILES.

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byne wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...



No, IT can be used to defeat the reapers.


Currents ending are:

1. Commander Shepard used Crucible to destroy Reapers.
2. Commander Shepard used Crucible to control Reapers.
3. Commander Shepard used Crucible to synthesise Reapers.
4. Commander Shepard refused to use Crucible. Bad end.

If IT is true, where should be new ending.

1. Commander Shepard defeated Reapers in mind to mind battle, and they all died.

Logic.

*sigh* Can't you read between lines or see figurative meaning of things?


No. He seriously can't.


Does paxxton not understand why we call them literalists? :whistle:

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SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Except, if you killed the rachni queen in ME1, and saved the fake rachni queen in ME3, the Reapers have verifiably had indoctrinated agents working on the Crucible, yet he still acts like he didnt know about it.


Two possible explanation.

1. Rachni Breeder is not indoctrinated. She is just insane. Why I think so? She is nearly identical to real Rachni Queen. Like real Queen she is kept on Uttuku, chained by Reaper's technology. Like real one she is tormented by sound of "machines". Like real Queen she feels that her "children" are silent. But her psyche is clearly less stable. She call herself monster (self-esteem issues), her promises to "fight the machines" are hysterical etc. So, I guess, it is plausible, that she just went berserk on the Crucible and was killed.

2. Reapers may not consider Crucible to be real threat for them. Without Catalyst it is essentially useless for races of the galaxy, and where is no real chance, that this machine would even work.

That quote would fit whether IT or the literal endings were their intention. It doesnt prove anything one way or another.

But according to IT, we have no ending at all. I mean, Shepard wakes up in the rubble, but the Reapers are still here, and something must be done to defeat them. Essentially, IT requires new ending, to see how Shepard stopped the Reapers. Or we have game with no ending at all.


No,  IT can be used to defeat the reapers.


You still have not explained how a battle in Shepard's mind means he defeats the Reapers in the outside world



? Yes i have, i told you were to go to find it.

My second thread.... last time.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris and others arguing against IT, remember that it had different versions. Also I have pointed out where we were partially right. The entire theory was wrong, but parts of it were right. I encourage you to read my post some pages back and see what you think. It's a nice compromise, I think.


The entire theory is not wrong until all is said and done with Mass Effect as a whole. Gamble has said to keep an eye out for announcements in the near future, and it was either he or Hudson that pointed out that it took 20 years for the author to acknowledge that Deckard was a Replicant. For all we know it could be years before we find out for sure. 

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@Arian
It has? Where could I find it? :3

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BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris and others arguing against IT, remember that it had different versions. Also I have pointed out where we were partially right. The entire theory was wrong, but parts of it were right. I encourage you to read my post some pages back and see what you think. It's a nice compromise, I think.


I don't quite understand what you mean by that. I will read the post if it helps to clarify it

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@Arian
It has? Where could I find it? :3


Here.

Modifié par byne, 27 juin 2012 - 06:14 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris and others arguing against IT, remember that it had different versions. Also I have pointed out where we were partially right. The entire theory was wrong, but parts of it were right. I encourage you to read my post some pages back and see what you think. It's a nice compromise, I think.


The entire theory is not wrong until all is said and done with Mass Effect as a whole. Gamble has said to keep an eye out for announcements in the near future, and it was either he or Hudson that pointed out that it took 20 years for the author to acknowledge that Deckard was a Replicant. For all we know it could be years before we find out for sure. 


Okay, well I believe at least the part where Shepard was going to wake up and have a different ending was wrong and that control and synthesis would turn Shepard into an indoctrinated agent. That did not seem to happen.

Instead, Bioware chose to give those endings disney endings, but probably because they didn't want to ****** off people who preferred those endings. Doesn't change my opinion that they break the story's narrative.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 27 juin 2012 - 06:16 .


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HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris and others arguing against IT, remember that it had different versions. Also I have pointed out where we were partially right. The entire theory was wrong, but parts of it were right. I encourage you to read my post some pages back and see what you think. It's a nice compromise, I think.


The entire theory is not wrong until all is said and done with Mass Effect as a whole. Gamble has said to keep an eye out for announcements in the near future, and it was either he or Hudson that pointed out that it took 20 years for the author to acknowledge that Deckard was a Replicant. For all we know it could be years before we find out for sure. 


But Deckard's not a Replicant

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Lord Goose wrote...

You cant just include logic as the last word in your post and expect that to make up for the post's logic quota.

Well, pretend it is not here?

That I'm trying to say, that current endings have explanation about, well, almost everything (except Refuse). How Reapers were defeated, what happened to squad, Shepard's ultimate fate, and how the war changed Galaxy.

IT has none of this. Shepard simply wakes up after hit by Harbinger's beam. How Reapers are defeated? What Crucible does? What would happen after?



You cant explain everything litterally without going against the lore and breaking the in game laws.

IT fits everthing seemlessly. Thats somethin the literal ending cant say.

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BatmanTurian wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris and others arguing against IT, remember that it had different versions. Also I have pointed out where we were partially right. The entire theory was wrong, but parts of it were right. I encourage you to read my post some pages back and see what you think. It's a nice compromise, I think.


The entire theory is not wrong until all is said and done with Mass Effect as a whole. Gamble has said to keep an eye out for announcements in the near future, and it was either he or Hudson that pointed out that it took 20 years for the author to acknowledge that Deckard was a Replicant. For all we know it could be years before we find out for sure. 


Okay, well I believe at least the part where Shepard was going to wake up and have a different ending was wrong and that control and synthesis would turn Shepard into an indoctrinated agent. That did not seem to happen.


Yeah, not yet anyway. I believe it will still happen, but in what form and perspective remains to be seen. 

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SubAstris wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris and others arguing against IT, remember that it had different versions. Also I have pointed out where we were partially right. The entire theory was wrong, but parts of it were right. I encourage you to read my post some pages back and see what you think. It's a nice compromise, I think.


The entire theory is not wrong until all is said and done with Mass Effect as a whole. Gamble has said to keep an eye out for announcements in the near future, and it was either he or Hudson that pointed out that it took 20 years for the author to acknowledge that Deckard was a Replicant. For all we know it could be years before we find out for sure. 


But Deckard's not a Replicant


:blink:

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social.bioware.com/forum/1/topic/355/index/12547432

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Ok, thanks byne.

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HellishFiend wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

I say; better! ME3 expansion pack.


Mass Effect 3: Awakening [smilie]http://social.bioware.com/images/forum/emoticons/wink.png[/smilie]

 

I'm still waiting to see these; 

Big Bad wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Hey guys. Had some fun ideas in another thread and figured I would share them for collective amusement.

Well most of them came from the other thread. anyway...

Just for the hell of it, some off the wall ideas.

Mass Effect: Resurrection - The Reapers, seeking a more efficient method of controlling their troops in combat, have begun work on a new project, creating a new type of ground troop, derived from multiple species, Human, Turian, Batarian and several others. The purpose of this new soldier? To act as a ground infantry commander, allowing their forces to more efficiently co-ordinate without constant Reaper supervision.

Your mission? Get into the defiled and horrific Reaper laboratory and kill the guarding Destroyer, blowing up the lab and killing the protoype.

And you arrive just in time... for the protoype to defect. It's guiding intelligence, repurposed from a collected Reaper memory core, chose to defy it's masters and now seeks asylum.

The name of this intelligence guiding this Frankenstenian body made from the remains of Turians, Humans and Asari?

Saren Arterius.



Mass Effect: Firebird - The Alliance has received a number of disturbing reports about a small planet on the far end of the Terminus Systems, the small orbiting blue orb known as Herodotus. Cerberus, in their constant search for Prothean technology, have set up a base, which up to this point had gone largely unnoticed.

Under orders from the Illusive Man, Project Phoenix had begun work here, their mission, to take recovered Prothean tech and integrate it into studies of transhuman enhancement, creating amazingly powerful biotics.

At least, so Alliance Intelligence thought from the reports received from Cerberus defectors in the Phoenix program. In reality the truth was far darker. Cerberus had discovered a thus far unprecedented number of intact, Prothean stasis pods, leading them to preform tests, and eventually genetic experiments, splicing Prothean DNA into Human bodies, shortening the lifespans of these volunteers considerably and leaving them requiring a constant flow of anti-rejection drugs, but vastly improving their biotic potential.

In response to the considerable threat, the Reapers, having now received word of Project Phoenix, have sent one of the last remaining Collector ships as a scout to seize the installation and prepare it for reaping.

Your mission? Infiltrate Project Phoenix, eliminate the Cerberus presence, allowing the Alliance to seize the base, rescue and evacuate the Prothean population, and destroy the Collector Ship.



Mass Effect: Operation Neptune - A routine mission is what it should have been, should have being the operative word. Under orders from Admiral Hackett you picked up an asari ambassador, returning to the Citadel from negotiations with several mercenary groups, pick up and return, simple enough on it's own.

Well, the fact that the ambassador's name was Aethyta complicated things slightly.

Everything would have been fine had one of the matriarch's retinue not been a traitor. The Tantalus Drive Core, sabotaged. The Normandy? Dropped out of FTL in the most inconvenient place imaginable, waiting like a beached whale for a Reaper to find her. Of course Cerberus had far more direct plans for reclaiming their lost investment, in this case, Operation Neptune, the invasion of the Normandy.

Your mission? Fight off the Assassin attempting to murder you in your bed! Make your way to the Tantalus core and reactivate it! Rescue your crew! Discover the nature of the traitor! Fight off a Cerberus invasion of your own ship! Return to the Citadel and have an entire refit for the Normandy! New rooms! New features! New shipmates! And a new weapon!


Must.Play.These.Now.  :o