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[SubAstris]

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Except, if you killed the rachni queen in ME1, and saved the fake rachni queen in ME3, the Reapers have verifiably had indoctrinated agents working on the Crucible, yet he still acts like he didnt know about it.

Two possible explanation.

1. Rachni Breeder is not indoctrinated. She is just insane. Why I think so? She is nearly identical to real Rachni Queen. Like real Queen she is kept on Uttuku, chained by Reaper's technology. Like real one she is tormented by sound of "machines". Like real Queen she feels that her "children" are silent. But her psyche is clearly less stable. She call herself monster (self-esteem issues), her promises to "fight the machines" are hysterical etc. So, I guess, it is plausible, that she just went berserk on the Crucible and was killed.

2. Reapers may not consider Crucible to be real threat for them. Without Catalyst it is essentially useless for races of the galaxy, and where is no real chance, that this machine would even work.

That quote would fit whether IT or the literal endings were their intention. It doesnt prove anything one way or another.

But according to IT, we have no ending at all. I mean, Shepard wakes up in the rubble, but the Reapers are still here, and something must be done to defeat them. Essentially, IT requires new ending, to see how Shepard stopped the Reapers. Or we have game with no ending at all.

No,  IT can be used to defeat the reapers.

You still have not explained how a battle in Shepard's mind means he defeats the Reapers in the outside world

? Yes i have, i told you were to go to find it.

My second thread.... last time.

I've read it. You might want to rewrite because it looks like pure speculation backed by no in-game evidence

[llbountyhunter]

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Except, if you killed the rachni queen in ME1, and saved the fake rachni queen in ME3, the Reapers have verifiably had indoctrinated agents working on the Crucible, yet he still acts like he didnt know about it.

Two possible explanation.

1. Rachni Breeder is not indoctrinated. She is just insane. Why I think so? She is nearly identical to real Rachni Queen. Like real Queen she is kept on Uttuku, chained by Reaper's technology. Like real one she is tormented by sound of "machines". Like real Queen she feels that her "children" are silent. But her psyche is clearly less stable. She call herself monster (self-esteem issues), her promises to "fight the machines" are hysterical etc. So, I guess, it is plausible, that she just went berserk on the Crucible and was killed.

2. Reapers may not consider Crucible to be real threat for them. Without Catalyst it is essentially useless for races of the galaxy, and where is no real chance, that this machine would even work.

That quote would fit whether IT or the literal endings were their intention. It doesnt prove anything one way or another.

But according to IT, we have no ending at all. I mean, Shepard wakes up in the rubble, but the Reapers are still here, and something must be done to defeat them. Essentially, IT requires new ending, to see how Shepard stopped the Reapers. Or we have game with no ending at all.

No,  IT can be used to defeat the reapers.

You still have not explained how a battle in Shepard's mind means he defeats the Reapers in the outside world

? Yes i have, i told you were to go to find it.

My second thread.... last time.

I've read it. You might want to rewrite because it looks like pure speculation backed by no in-game evidence

Like evidence from me3 geth consencus or me1 soveriegn? Hmmm..

But like i said the road bioware mightve taken. just saying theres a way to have IT and not continue the reaper threat

[Arian Dynas]

SubAstris, Ridley Scott himself has stated he feels Deckard was a Nexus-7, a Replicant with no superhuman abilities, merely one that is capable of the human illusion, this was revealed in a making of Bladerunner special.

Know what you're talking about before you comment, will you?

[Tirian Thorn]

Xavendithas wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

HellishFiend wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

SubAstris and others arguing against IT, remember that it had different versions. Also I have pointed out where we were partially right. The entire theory was wrong, but parts of it were right. I encourage you to read my post some pages back and see what you think. It's a nice compromise, I think.

The entire theory is not wrong until all is said and done with Mass Effect as a whole. Gamble has said to keep an eye out for announcements in the near future, and it was either he or Hudson that pointed out that it took 20 years for the author to acknowledge that Deckard was a Replicant. For all we know it could be years before we find out for sure. 

But Deckard's not a Replicant

Deckard is a replicant. 

[Judas Bock]

Hi everyone, been looking through this thread for the first time since finishing the EC, and I just thought I'd comment on something I haven't seen brought up (although I haven't read everything, so sorry if it's already been discussed).

One of the points in IT is how a lot of what happens on the Citadel can be seen as being based on Shepard's memories (Shadowbroker ship, Saren/TIM suicide), and in the EC I noticed a new memory-based snippet.

The new scene where you actually see Shepard arrive on the Citadel, he teleports out of a device and flies in an arc onto the ground, and this arrival to me seemed very similar to how the Mako arrives on the Citadel in ME1.

This to me was an obvious new clue to the IT crowd, because the ME team must certainly know of that the IT-ers have talked about these similiarities, and adding a new great similarity can't just be a coincidence, it must have been done on purpose.

[Uncle Jo]

byne wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Trollgunner wrote...

Just a mere question : After getting your hand on EC, how many of you picked Refuse option('cuz of cool Shepard's speech) on your first re-visit on citadel?

Picked it as first choice (thought its outcome would be affected the EMS, but no). Did the others to see what it looks like,. Since then Reject is my canon ending.

It seems like they didnt put any work into reject at all. It should have had an epilogue narrated by Liara accounting how we lost the war, and what happened as the Reapers wiped everyone out. I say narrated by Liara, because then we could assume it is her time capsule thingy telling us what happened.

I like the idea  of having a reject ending, but I dont like the implementation, if that makes sense.

Still the satisfaction you get by shooting Starbinger and seeing him freaking out (his calm when he was spitting out his nonsense always got on my nerves) is priceless.

I liked when they showed you right after that, a Reaper cutting a dreadnought in half. No kidding. So, they were just holding back...

As to show you everything that happens after you refused the insane game of the brat, I don't know, it's maybe better like this... It's for me the easiest part to headcanon.

I just didn't like the attitude of Shep. She was all "I will fight and die free rather than be a slave", then when she heard the real voice of Harby, she seemed to think "Ooops, he was really serious, maybe I did a mistake" and looked really helpless.

Edit : And it is Liara, we can safely assume that she started to send her time capsules way before the Cerberus HQ mission. She didn't make them easy to find though

Forgot about the "The crucible didn't work" line.

Modifié par Uncle Jo, 27 juin 2012 - 07:00 .

[EpyonX3]

Judas Bock wrote...

Hi everyone, been looking through this thread for the first time since finishing the EC, and I just thought I'd comment on something I haven't seen brought up (although I haven't read everything, so sorry if it's already been discussed).

One of the points in IT is how a lot of what happens on the Citadel can be seen as being based on Shepard's memories (Shadowbroker ship, Saren/TIM suicide), and in the EC I noticed a new memory-based snippet.

The new scene where you actually see Shepard arrive on the Citadel, he teleports out of a device and flies in an arc onto the ground, and this arrival to me seemed very similar to how the Mako arrives on the Citadel in ME1.

This to me was an obvious new clue to the IT crowd, because the ME team must certainly know of that the IT-ers have talked about these similiarities, and adding a new great similarity can't just be a coincidence, it must have been done on purpose.

Ok.

No offense but this is getting ridiculous! They added that because people were complaining about how Shepard got to that room to begin with. How Sheaprd's body responding to gravity correctly is a clue for IT i have no idea.

[Trollgunner]

Judas Bock wrote...

Hi everyone, been looking through this thread for the first time since finishing the EC, and I just thought I'd comment on something I haven't seen brought up (although I haven't read everything, so sorry if it's already been discussed).

One of the points in IT is how a lot of what happens on the Citadel can be seen as being based on Shepard's memories (Shadowbroker ship, Saren/TIM suicide), and in the EC I noticed a new memory-based snippet.

The new scene where you actually see Shepard arrive on the Citadel, he teleports out of a device and flies in an arc onto the ground, and this arrival to me seemed very similar to how the Mako arrives on the Citadel in ME1.

This to me was an obvious new clue to the IT crowd, because the ME team must certainly know of that the IT-ers have talked about these similiarities, and adding a new great similarity can't just be a coincidence, it must have been done on purpose.

Ahah, I don't know why but I imagined Mako with Shepard face. Or shepard who would go for an air-hopping-ride after tripping over a mere stone. 
But anyway I think that's nice assumption. But "buzz" after that landing is still more "IT like".

[paxxton]

So is there any chance to play the old ending after installing the EC? Just wondering...

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

So is there any chance to play the old ending after installing the EC? Just wondering...

Just delete the EC.

[Arian Dynas]

Oh and for fun and profit;

“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.” - Margaret Thatcher

[Trollgunner]

Uncle Jo wrote...

byne wrote...

Uncle Jo wrote...

Trollgunner wrote...

Just a mere question : After getting your hand on EC, how many of you picked Refuse option('cuz of cool Shepard's speech) on your first re-visit on citadel?

Picked it as first choice (thought its outcome would be affected the EMS, but no). Did the others to see what it looks like,. Since then Reject is my canon ending.

It seems like they didnt put any work into reject at all. It should have had an epilogue narrated by Liara accounting how we lost the war, and what happened as the Reapers wiped everyone out. I say narrated by Liara, because then we could assume it is her time capsule thingy telling us what happened.

I like the idea  of having a reject ending, but I dont like the implementation, if that makes sense.

Still the satisfaction you get by shooting Starbinger and seeing him freaking out (his calm when he was spitting out his nonsense always got on my nerves) is priceless.

I liked when they showed you right after that, a Reaper cutting a dreadnought in half. No kidding. So, they were just holding back...

As to show you everything that happens after you refused the insane game of the brat, I don't know, it's maybe better like this... It's for me the easiest part to headcanon.

I just didn't like the attitude of Shep. She was all "I will fight and die free rather than be a slave", then when she heard the real voice of Harby, she seemed to think "Ooops, he was really serious, maybe I did a mistake" and looked really helpless.

And it is Liara, we can safely assume that she started to send her time capsules way before the Cerberus HQ mission. She didn't make them easy to find though

Well, I didn't shoot him. Just refused all his choises and he become really pissed. That realy bothers me. Why get pissed off, when I refuse to destroy/control you? Also, you're a damn AI! How the hell you were pissed off so easily

[paxxton]

Judas Bock wrote...

Hi everyone, been looking through this thread for the first time since finishing the EC, and I just thought I'd comment on something I haven't seen brought up (although I haven't read everything, so sorry if it's already been discussed).

One of the points in IT is how a lot of what happens on the Citadel can be seen as being based on Shepard's memories (Shadowbroker ship, Saren/TIM suicide), and in the EC I noticed a new memory-based snippet.

The new scene where you actually see Shepard arrive on the Citadel, he teleports out of a device and flies in an arc onto the ground, and this arrival to me seemed very similar to how the Mako arrives on the Citadel in ME1.

This to me was an obvious new clue to the IT crowd, because the ME team must certainly know of that the IT-ers have talked about these similiarities, and adding a new great similarity can't just be a coincidence, it must have been done on purpose.

Nah, it has to do with physics rather than similarities to ME1. A body moves like this in a car that suddenly decelerates.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

So is there any chance to play the old ending after installing the EC? Just wondering...

Low EMS gives you a close pre-ec ending.

[EpyonX3]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Oh and for fun and profit;

“I always cheer up immensely if an attack is particularly wounding because I think, well, if they attack one personally, it means they have not a single political argument left.” - Margaret Thatcher

I'd also say that ignoring the issue has a similar reason.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

So is there any chance to play the old ending after installing the EC? Just wondering...

Low EMS gives you a close pre-ec ending.

I have to see that. Before doing the EC I completed some subquests and scanned the Galaxy so my EMS was decent. Not that it was low before that but I wanted to improve it a bit.

@byne: Thanks.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 06:45 .

[Uncle Jo]

Trollgunner wrote...

Well, I didn't shoot him. Just refused all his choises and he become really pissed. That realy bothers me. Why get pissed off, when I refuse to destroy/control you? Also, you're a damn AI! How the hell you were pissed off so easily

So did I in my first playthrough. To play the devil's advocate, I'd say that he's pissed off because he and his pals/minions are tired of trolling reaping and now that there are new solutions available, you tell him to go to hell and keep up the good work. IMO it's a plausible reason to get mad.

[BatmanTurian]

Judas Bock wrote...

Hi everyone, been looking through this thread for the first time since finishing the EC, and I just thought I'd comment on something I haven't seen brought up (although I haven't read everything, so sorry if it's already been discussed).

One of the points in IT is how a lot of what happens on the Citadel can be seen as being based on Shepard's memories (Shadowbroker ship, Saren/TIM suicide), and in the EC I noticed a new memory-based snippet.

The new scene where you actually see Shepard arrive on the Citadel, he teleports out of a device and flies in an arc onto the ground, and this arrival to me seemed very similar to how the Mako arrives on the Citadel in ME1.

This to me was an obvious new clue to the IT crowd, because the ME team must certainly know of that the IT-ers have talked about these similiarities, and adding a new great similarity can't just be a coincidence, it must have been done on purpose.

I missed that  but that's a good point.

[SubAstris]

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

SubAstris wrote...

llbountyhunter wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

Except, if you killed the rachni queen in ME1, and saved the fake rachni queen in ME3, the Reapers have verifiably had indoctrinated agents working on the Crucible, yet he still acts like he didnt know about it.

Two possible explanation.

1. Rachni Breeder is not indoctrinated. She is just insane. Why I think so? She is nearly identical to real Rachni Queen. Like real Queen she is kept on Uttuku, chained by Reaper's technology. Like real one she is tormented by sound of "machines". Like real Queen she feels that her "children" are silent. But her psyche is clearly less stable. She call herself monster (self-esteem issues), her promises to "fight the machines" are hysterical etc. So, I guess, it is plausible, that she just went berserk on the Crucible and was killed.

2. Reapers may not consider Crucible to be real threat for them. Without Catalyst it is essentially useless for races of the galaxy, and where is no real chance, that this machine would even work.

That quote would fit whether IT or the literal endings were their intention. It doesnt prove anything one way or another.

But according to IT, we have no ending at all. I mean, Shepard wakes up in the rubble, but the Reapers are still here, and something must be done to defeat them. Essentially, IT requires new ending, to see how Shepard stopped the Reapers. Or we have game with no ending at all.

No,  IT can be used to defeat the reapers.

You still have not explained how a battle in Shepard's mind means he defeats the Reapers in the outside world

? Yes i have, i told you were to go to find it.

My second thread.... last time.

I've read it. You might want to rewrite because it looks like pure speculation backed by no in-game evidence

Like evidence from me3 geth consencus or me1 soveriegn? Hmmm..

But like i said the road bioware mightve taken. just saying theres a way to have IT and not continue the reaper threat

The scenario with the consensus is wildly different. Shepard is entering the Geth consensus to delete Geth from the server. He is in foreign territory, he is entering their mind. With the ending with IT, Shepard is battling Harbinger in his own mind. Therefore the comparison is null

[Uncle Jo]

@SubAstris
Could you avoid the quote pyramids please ?

[byne]

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

byne wrote...

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

I didn't even know there was a difference between Renegade and Paragon! That makes EC a little better.
I have to admit, the new Control ending is pretty badass. Maybe I like it better than Destroy now.

Also, seeing Kaidan put up the plaque caught me really off guard. I romanced him and.. well..

Modifié par Earthborn_Shepard, 27 juin 2012 - 06:53 .

[Trollgunner]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Trollgunner wrote...

Well, I didn't shoot him. Just refused all his choises and he become really pissed. That realy bothers me. Why get pissed off, when I refuse to destroy/control you? Also, you're a damn AI! How the hell you were pissed off so easily

So did I in my first playthrough. To play the devil's advocate, I'd say that he's pissed off because he and his pals/minions are tired of trolling reaping and now that there are new solutions available, you tell him to go to hell and keep up the good work. IMO it's a plausible reason to get mad.

But he is an AI! How he can become this pissed so easily?  For example do you remember EDI  yelling at some one, or talking in different voice? 

[masster blaster]

You know what bothers me the Refuse ending. In some case's it supports It but in others it does not but my question is WHY did Liara say the Crucible dent even work IF everyone died? and if She already sent the time Capsule then how did she add the Crucible did not work, and if you ask me the other cycle beat the Reapers then please Bioware can care to tell us HOW THE HELL DID THEY DO IT. Even with the galaxy united and with all the upgrades that are in the Time Capsule we still did not even make a dent in the Reaper forces and WE all know for a fact that the Reapers on Earth/in the Sol system were not all of the Reapers forces but only the tip of the Spear.

[EpyonX3]

byne wrote...

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

That and Shell destroy those who threaten the many. Sounds like the original catalyst. A new cycle might begin, but one against another threat.