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[BatmanTurian]

masster blaster wrote...

You know what bothers me the Refuse ending. In some case's it supports It but in others it does not but my question is WHY did Liara say the Crucible dent even work IF everyone died? and if She already sent the time Capsule then how did she add the Crucible did not work, and if you ask me the other cycle beat the Reapers then please Bioware can care to tell us HOW THE HELL DID THEY DO IT. Even with the galaxy united and with all the upgrades that are in the Time Capsule we still did not even make a dent in the Reaper forces and WE all know for a fact that the Reapers on Earth/in the Sol system were not all of the Reapers forces but only the tip of the Spear.

She could have updated the capsules remotely from her Shadow Broker command on the Normandy. It's not implausible.

[senshi420]

Original post removed.   I was watching the low ems destroy ending and got mixed up, they didnt give us enough details to really know how things played out in refuse...I hope (however unlikely) they give us a conventional battle in that spot. even if its a losing one.

Modifié par senshi420, 27 juin 2012 - 07:01 .

[BatmanTurian]

EpyonX3 wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

That and Shell destroy those who threaten the many. Sounds like the original catalyst. A new cycle might begin, but one against another threat.

It was creepy, but it sounded sort of like a Golem protecting a population, ya' know? Something that doesn't have a complete mind of its own and its narrow view of the world is its purpose given by its creator.

[paxxton]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

I didn't even know there was a difference between Renegade and Paragon! That makes EC a little better.
I have to admit, the new Control ending is pretty badass. Maybe I like it better than Destroy now.

 Control Rules!

[BatmanTurian]

senshi420 wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

You know what bothers me the Refuse ending. In some case's it supports It but in others it does not but my question is HOW did Liara say the Crucible dent even work IF everyone died? and if She already sent the time Capsule then how did she add the Crucible did not work, and if you ask me the other cycle beat the Reapers then please Bioware can care to tell us HOW THE HELL DID THEY DO IT. Even with the galaxy united and with all the upgrades that are in the Time Capsule we still did not even make a dent in the Reaper forces and WE all know for a fact that the Reapers on Earth/in the Sol system were not all of the Reapers forces but only the tip of the Spear.

 edited for correctness and underlined, italic and bold for GOOD FREAKING POINT!!!!

see my post above.

[Uncle Jo]

Trollgunner wrote...

But he is an AI! How he can become this pissed so easily?  For example do you remember EDI  yelling at some one, or talking in different voice? 

He is as much an AI as Shep's an animal And if he spoke with his "normal" voice would you have trusted him ? 

[byne]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

I didn't even know there was a difference between Renegade and Paragon! That makes EC a little better.
I have to admit, the new Control ending is pretty badass. Maybe I like it better than Destroy now.

Also, seeing Kaidan put up the plaque caught me really off guard. I romanced him and.. well..

I dislike both control and synthesis even more now.

Control makes it 100% clear that whatever is controlling the Reapers is no longer Shepard, nor does it think of itself as Shepard. I am not ok with giving control to that thing.

Synthesis just makes it even more clear what an abomination the idea is. Like when the husk gets synthesized, and gets a weird look on its face. Its like being synthesized has allowed it to realize what has happened to it, and given it the cognitive ability to be horrified by it.

[Judas Bock]

paxxton wrote...

Judas Bock wrote...

Hi everyone, been looking through this thread for the first time since finishing the EC, and I just thought I'd comment on something I haven't seen brought up (although I haven't read everything, so sorry if it's already been discussed).

One of the points in IT is how a lot of what happens on the Citadel can be seen as being based on Shepard's memories (Shadowbroker ship, Saren/TIM suicide), and in the EC I noticed a new memory-based snippet.

The new scene where you actually see Shepard arrive on the Citadel, he teleports out of a device and flies in an arc onto the ground, and this arrival to me seemed very similar to how the Mako arrives on the Citadel in ME1.

This to me was an obvious new clue to the IT crowd, because the ME team must certainly know of that the IT-ers have talked about these similiarities, and adding a new great similarity can't just be a coincidence, it must have been done on purpose.

Nah, it has to do with physics rather than similarities to ME1. A body moves like this in a car that suddenly decelerates.

I still say it's too similar to the Mako arrival to be a pure coincidence. The mood and even the cutting between angles is similar.

Here are youtube links if anyone's interested in comparing for themselves:

ME1: www.youtube.com/watch (the relevant stuff ends when the Mako has stopped moving, at about 1:33)

ME3: www.youtube.com/watch (the relevant stuff ends when Shepard has stopped moving, at about 3:30)

While not exactly the same, I'd say the similarities are undeniable.

Modifié par Judas Bock, 27 juin 2012 - 07:04 .

[BatmanTurian]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Trollgunner wrote...

But he is an AI! How he can become this pissed so easily?  For example do you remember EDI  yelling at some one, or talking in different voice? 

He is as much an AI as Shep's an animal And if he spoke with his "normal" voice would you have trusted him ? 

An AI can have emotions. That's what makes them more than an VI. They have variables that make them more organic in their thinking. His evolution of organic thinking stopped when he turned on his creators, unlike EDI who had time to talk to Shepard and other organics, spend time around them, and ponder the complexities of organic thought processes.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 27 juin 2012 - 06:59 .

[BansheeOwnage]

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

I didn't even know there was a difference between Renegade and Paragon! That makes EC a little better.
I have to admit, the new Control ending is pretty badass. Maybe I like it better than Destroy now.

Also, seeing Kaidan put up the plaque caught me really off guard. I romanced him and.. well..

I dislike both control and synthesis even more now.

Control makes it 100% clear that whatever is controlling the Reapers is no longer Shepard, nor does it think of itself as Shepard. I am not ok with giving control to that thing.

Synthesis just makes it even more clear what an abomination the idea is. Like when the husk gets synthesized, and gets a weird look on its face. Its like being synthesized has allowed it to realize what has happened to it, and given it the cognitive ability to be horrified by it.

I think control is pretty epic, but not a choice you should pick for reasons you said. I think synthesis is even more BS than it already was. One word: Javik

[Earthborn_Shepard]

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

I didn't even know there was a difference between Renegade and Paragon! That makes EC a little better.
I have to admit, the new Control ending is pretty badass. Maybe I like it better than Destroy now.

Also, seeing Kaidan put up the plaque caught me really off guard. I romanced him and.. well..

I dislike both control and synthesis even more now.

Control makes it 100% clear that whatever is controlling the Reapers is no longer Shepard, nor does it think of itself as Shepard. I am not ok with giving control to that thing.

Synthesis just makes it even more clear what an abomination the idea is. Like when the husk gets synthesized, and gets a weird look on its face. Its like being synthesized has allowed it to realize what has happened to it, and given it the cognitive ability to be horrified by it.

I agree that Synthesis is disturbing. I could never, NEVER pick that.

But Control has the best music.
No really, I like it. In real life, of course this would be too fishy for me. But at least this is the ending that has the most potential for a sequel. I don't see any future in the other endings. Absolutely not for Synthesis at last. Destroy, ok, there could be a sequel, but probably not with the Reapers as enemies. And how could there ever be an enemie as cool as the Reapers again?

[BatmanTurian]

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

I didn't even know there was a difference between Renegade and Paragon! That makes EC a little better.
I have to admit, the new Control ending is pretty badass. Maybe I like it better than Destroy now.

Also, seeing Kaidan put up the plaque caught me really off guard. I romanced him and.. well..

I dislike both control and synthesis even more now.

Control makes it 100% clear that whatever is controlling the Reapers is no longer Shepard, nor does it think of itself as Shepard. I am not ok with giving control to that thing.

Synthesis just makes it even more clear what an abomination the idea is. Like when the husk gets synthesized, and gets a weird look on its face. Its like being synthesized has allowed it to realize what has happened to it, and given it the cognitive ability to be horrified by it.

The husk was like " What the frak am I doing? Wait, what the frak am I? Oh god, I have to go an hero!"

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 27 juin 2012 - 07:01 .

[paxxton]

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

I didn't even know there was a difference between Renegade and Paragon! That makes EC a little better.
I have to admit, the new Control ending is pretty badass. Maybe I like it better than Destroy now.

Also, seeing Kaidan put up the plaque caught me really off guard. I romanced him and.. well..

I dislike both control and synthesis even more now.

Control makes it 100% clear that whatever is controlling the Reapers is no longer Shepard, nor does it think of itself as Shepard. I am not ok with giving control to that thing.

Synthesis just makes it even more clear what an abomination the idea is. Like when the husk gets synthesized, and gets a weird look on its face. Its like being synthesized has allowed it to realize what has happened to it, and given it the cognitive ability to be horrified by it.

So you deny the Husk sentience, self-improvement, understanding of what he is?? I don't.

[v0rt3x22]

I just trolled the community big time - hope you enjoy: 
http://imgur.com/a/Ylw9X#0

Modifié par v0rt3x22, 27 juin 2012 - 07:02 .

[BatmanTurian]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

I didn't even know there was a difference between Renegade and Paragon! That makes EC a little better.
I have to admit, the new Control ending is pretty badass. Maybe I like it better than Destroy now.

Also, seeing Kaidan put up the plaque caught me really off guard. I romanced him and.. well..

I dislike both control and synthesis even more now.

Control makes it 100% clear that whatever is controlling the Reapers is no longer Shepard, nor does it think of itself as Shepard. I am not ok with giving control to that thing.

Synthesis just makes it even more clear what an abomination the idea is. Like when the husk gets synthesized, and gets a weird look on its face. Its like being synthesized has allowed it to realize what has happened to it, and given it the cognitive ability to be horrified by it.

I agree that Synthesis is disturbing. I could never, NEVER pick that.

But Control has the best music.
No really, I like it. In real life, of course this would be too fishy for me. But at least this is the ending that has the most potential for a sequel. I don't see any future in the other endings. Absolutely not for Synthesis at last. Destroy, ok, there could be a sequel, but probably not with the Reapers as enemies. And how could there ever be an enemie as cool as the Reapers again?

I'm sure they could think up some kind of new enemy. A time-traveling enemy or an inter-dimensional enemy, like the Combine in Half-life, would be more cool and threatening than the Reapers.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 27 juin 2012 - 07:03 .

[Trollgunner]

Uncle Jo wrote...

Trollgunner wrote...

But he is an AI! How he can become this pissed so easily?  For example do you remember EDI  yelling at some one, or talking in different voice? 

He is as much an AI as Shep's an animal And if he spoke with his "normal" voice would you have trusted him ? 

I never trust ghost-like beings reppresenting my bad memory :3 Also saying such thing made me more hostile towards him. He is trying to prove you something, however he has an aim, his "cycle-harvesting thing" but yet he is trying so badly to make me pick one of the colors. 

P.S Btw thanks a lot for cutting pyramids) 

[Uncle Jo]

BatmanTurian wrote...


An AI can have emotions. That's what makes them more than an VI. They have variables that make them more organic in their thinking. His evolution of organic thinking stopped when he turned on his creators, unlike EDI who had time to talk to Shepard and other organics, spend time around them, and ponder the complexities of organic thought processes.

That's one of the things which made me think that Synthesis is BS. Talk about "A better (or full?) comprehension of the organics" (Starbrat). It can be achieved without Synthesis.

[senshi420]

BatmanTurian wrote...

senshi420 wrote...

snip

see my post above.

i corrected myself after i thought about it. you are correct. they dont give us enough information to really say for sure. 

senshi420 wrote...

 I was watching the low ems destroy ending and got mixed up, they didnt give us enough details to really know how things played out in refuse...I hope (however unlikely) they give us a conventional battle in that spot. even if its a losing one.

 

is what i replaced it with

[BatmanTurian]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

I didn't even know there was a difference between Renegade and Paragon! That makes EC a little better.
I have to admit, the new Control ending is pretty badass. Maybe I like it better than Destroy now.

Also, seeing Kaidan put up the plaque caught me really off guard. I romanced him and.. well..

I dislike both control and synthesis even more now.

Control makes it 100% clear that whatever is controlling the Reapers is no longer Shepard, nor does it think of itself as Shepard. I am not ok with giving control to that thing.

Synthesis just makes it even more clear what an abomination the idea is. Like when the husk gets synthesized, and gets a weird look on its face. Its like being synthesized has allowed it to realize what has happened to it, and given it the cognitive ability to be horrified by it.

So you deny the Husk sentience, self-improvement, understanding of what he is?? I don't.

The husk is better off dead than knowing what it is. What being could carry on with their lives in a healthy way after the horror of becoming that?

[Dwailing]

OK, I know I said that I was going to take a break, but I had a thought. Remember how people were SO upset that there was only ONE way to break free of indoctrination while there were TWO ways to succumb to it? Well, maybe Rejection was added as a second way of breaking free. That way, two unindoctrinated endings, and two indoctrinated endings. Any thoughts?

[byne]

paxxton wrote...

byne wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

I didn't even know there was a difference between Renegade and Paragon! That makes EC a little better.
I have to admit, the new Control ending is pretty badass. Maybe I like it better than Destroy now.

Also, seeing Kaidan put up the plaque caught me really off guard. I romanced him and.. well..

I dislike both control and synthesis even more now.

Control makes it 100% clear that whatever is controlling the Reapers is no longer Shepard, nor does it think of itself as Shepard. I am not ok with giving control to that thing.

Synthesis just makes it even more clear what an abomination the idea is. Like when the husk gets synthesized, and gets a weird look on its face. Its like being synthesized has allowed it to realize what has happened to it, and given it the cognitive ability to be horrified by it.

So you deny the Husk sentience, self-improvement, understanding of what he is?? I don't.

You know what? I'm not getting into this crap with you again Paxxton. You can keep your control and synthesis endings and have sweet dreams about being a god and forcing people into line, or being a god and altering their DNA, but not me. I have principles.

Modifié par byne, 27 juin 2012 - 07:07 .

[TJBartlemus]

paxxton wrote...

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

byne wrote...

Huh, I just watched the renegade version of Shep's control monologue.

Pretty damned creepy. All this talk of power, strength, and leading an army no one would dare oppose.

I didn't even know there was a difference between Renegade and Paragon! That makes EC a little better.
I have to admit, the new Control ending is pretty badass. Maybe I like it better than Destroy now.

 Control Rules!

I feel those who choose Control are hypocrites because then what was the point of opposing TIM??

[BatmanTurian]

Dwailing wrote...

OK, I know I said that I was going to take a break, but I had a thought. Remember how people were SO upset that there was only ONE way to break free of indoctrination while there were TWO ways to succumb to it? Well, maybe Rejection was added as a second way of breaking free. That way, two unindoctrinated endings, and two indoctrinated endings. Any thoughts?

I have honestly given up on the idea of a full hallucination at this point and taken on a more waking nightmare approach. I think the endings are as real as they are supposed to be and indoctrination is used sparingly in the game and not to its full potential. That is just my opinion, though.

Modifié par BatmanTurian, 27 juin 2012 - 07:09 .

[Cecilia L]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I just trolled the community big time - hope you enjoy: 
http://imgur.com/a/Ylw9X#0

[Tirian Thorn]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

I just trolled the community big time - hope you enjoy: 
http://imgur.com/a/Ylw9X#0

http://desmond.image...gif&res=landing