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[paxxton]

According to IMDB Keith Szarabajka (Harbinger) recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 09:21 .

[Andromidius]

suprarj wrote...

Sure it does.  Why would Shepard allow himself to be destroyed?  If your goal is truly to seek balance / harmony, anything can be sacrificed.  That's the whole point of this game.  If you choose Destroy, you are sacrificing the geth/AIs to achieve your version of harmony.  The reapers are an AI construct, so if it requires sacrifice on their end to achieve harmony, they will do it.  They came up with the original "solution" (wiping advanced races every 50,000 yrs) NOT because they are mean/bad guys, but because they wanted to keep things peaceful.

Huh.  Fine, okay.  The Reapers are just misunderstood?  Fine, if you say so.

I mean you're wrong.  But if you want to believe that, then you're more then welcome.  If you think the endings made perfect sense, I really want some of what you've been smoking.

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

BatmanTurian wrote...

paxxton wrote...

Is the Starchild after Reject voiced by the same actor that voiced Harbinger?

They sounded identical to me. It made my hair stand on end.

Yeah, it was quite a surprise.  I still don't get it why the child reverts to the previous voice for the last line.
 
I wonder if Harby's VA could confirm he recorded that line.

To me, that "SO BE IT" sounded like the vioice of the Rannoch Reaper. I guess that was their only Reaper voice for ME3.

[Turbo_J]

masster blaster wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Huh, I was looking in that low EMS Destroy, and the helmet they find isn't Shepard's. It's a generic Alliance Marine helmet. Also, I'm replaying the endings again, and I'm fairly certain that the helmet that the Keeper picks up on the Citadel is NOT a generic Alliance Marine helmet. I don't see the Alliance symbol on it. Could it be Shepard's helmet?

Yes because we did find Shepard's old N7 helmet in the Normandy crash site and it look's just like the same helmet in when the keeper picked up. the helmet and noticed it did not look like the other Alliance helmet's,

Good catch. At least some of us are paying attention.

I'm replaying a NG+ and I noticed they fixed the mars breach.

For those that have never caught it, Cerberus leaves through a door that opens to Mars. You can see the mountains in the background. This should have vented the entire area Shep and crew were in; Cerberus would have had an easy victory here by leaving the door open... Well, It didn't vent. This could be mistaken then that a breach just does not do that or maybe Mars was a dream too. However, Mars is not a dream.

After the patch or maybe EC, when that door opens now, it opens to a room/lab with windows on the far wall and some monitors attacted to a circular pillar or something.

Cronos, however, is still open to space and you can fire powers and bullets out of the right and left sides of the breach.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 27 juin 2012 - 09:17 .

[plfranke]

suprarj wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

suprarj wrote...

Andromidius wrote...


Why would they EVER surrender?  They said it themselves, they are superior in every regard.

Its completely illogical for them to do so, at face value.

It's not a "surrender" per se, it's more of a temporary detente to figure things out.  The starchild explains it straight up: they are now aware that their "solution" is not a solution: humanity will find a way to survive by passing data through cycles and ultimately defeat them.  thus a new solution is required. 

Choose the "reject" ending and even then the Reapers' "solution" is shown to be inadequate because in a future cycle the Reapers are still defeated.

Still doesn't explain why they'd allow themselves to be Destroyed.

Sure it does.  Why would Shepard allow himself to be destroyed?  If your goal is truly to seek balance / harmony, anything can be sacrificed.  That's the whole point of this game.  If you choose Destroy, you are sacrificing the geth/AIs to achieve your version of harmony.  The reapers are an AI construct, so if it requires sacrifice on their end to achieve harmony, they will do it.  They came up with the original "solution" (wiping advanced races every 50,000 yrs) NOT because they are mean/bad guys, but because they wanted to keep things peaceful.

but the fat kid even admits that it is not a solution and that synthetics will eventually return and the conflict will arise again. by the catalyst's own logic it's ridiculous for him to allow destroy.

[masster blaster]

Ya none ITer's stop coming here if you are hear to gloat if you want to gloat at us ITer's then make a thread about that. But leave us in peace and we are not declaring it fan fict just yet Bioware stated the EC does not comfier nor Deni IT so ya that's good enof for me to still have hope and i know for a fact none of the no IT'ers are not the Bioware staff so ya.

[suprarj]

Andromidius wrote...

suprarj wrote...

Sure it does.  Why would Shepard allow himself to be destroyed?  If your goal is truly to seek balance / harmony, anything can be sacrificed.  That's the whole point of this game.  If you choose Destroy, you are sacrificing the geth/AIs to achieve your version of harmony.  The reapers are an AI construct, so if it requires sacrifice on their end to achieve harmony, they will do it.  They came up with the original "solution" (wiping advanced races every 50,000 yrs) NOT because they are mean/bad guys, but because they wanted to keep things peaceful.

Huh.  Fine, okay.  The Reapers are just misunderstood?  Fine, if you say so.

I mean you're wrong.  But if you want to believe that, then you're more then welcome.  If you think the endings made perfect sense, I really want some of what you've been smoking.

I'm not saying they make perfect sense, but I do think they make a lot more sense than they did before the EC.  If you choose to believe that Bioware decided to change course and write the third Mass Effect game with an unreliable narrator for the first time in the series, that's your right, just admit that you choose to believe a fanfic point of view instead of what's on the screen. 

If all you got out of what I wrote was "The Reapers are just misunderstood?" then I'm not surprised the rest of it didn't make sense to you.

[Trollgunner]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Trollgunner wrote...

I'm gonna add something. We still get the most bugging phrase from Starbrat and it's : "Wake up" If it's the end and how some ppl say : "The end of IT" Why, he won't say just : "Stand up" This is what really keeps bugging me every time I hear it....
 
Edit: To many questions left unanswered. And not some minor questions. . . 

You know what's really strange?

Do you remember the elevator at the end?

It doesn't really seem to lead anywhere - it's not there when you reach the top.

But I guess it hides itself just as well as it did when you first get on it. 

That's what I'm talking about. Bioware are you that smart? Or that lazy to fix it? 
Once again I loaded my conduit run (there is a thing like auto save so you can alt+f4 at any time and the redo your choise w/o playing from chronos base) and once again i'm refusing all his options, and he becomes pissed off. Still, that speech is motivating me a lot. I'll just wait for "One more story.." from an asari stargazer.

[v0rt3x22]

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Harbinger recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

In what other games did Harbinger appear? 

[Turbo_J]

Did anyone notice that the relay explosion still does not originate from the Sol system? It starts in the Bahak system, where the alpha relay exploded in Arrival.

Modifié par Turbo_J, 27 juin 2012 - 09:31 .

[paxxton]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Harbinger recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

In what other games did Harbinger appear? 

 Dragon Age 2.  L.A. Noire, Dragon Age, Dead Space 1&2.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 09:28 .

[Dwailing]

Arian Dynas wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Did anyone notice that if your teammates survive the run to the beam, they are seriously beaten up and bleeding but in a few minutes later they look better than ever. IT or is Chawkwas magic??

Yep, noticed it. Could be Chawkwas, since she restored Garrus in ME2 similarly well. After all, the squad didn't even seem to suffer from that big injuries.

Indeed.  Was the weakest hand waving I've ever seen - they didn't even just have the Normandy arriving to pick up survivors AFTER Harbinger leaves - that has to be obviously, no-one can be that thick while writing a script can they?

yeah, that shot was cool: Le Normandy just derping around while Harbinger is idling in the background. But then again, maybe that was the Catalyst wanting Shepard to reach the beam.

not only that but how did shepard survive harbinger's beam in the first place? everyone else got slaughtered, heavy tanks and gunships were getting ripped apart but shepard makes it out alive? you can't just chauk impossible feats up to Shepard's will there are some things that just go too far. For that matter Anderson isn't even scratched, the fact that this wasn't elaborated on makes me think it is meant to be questioned.

And questioning is what I fully intend to do with the EC...down to every microsecond of it.

Yes, BW did make Anti-IT's embrace the literal endings more, while keeping many 'IT-hints' like Shep bleading out and Anderson not. But they also cleaned up the endings immensly, like no clipping keepers.

All in all, the ending seems now more tidied up. Literal endings are nice, because if you don't know what to look for then these endings are good closure. If however, you want too look closer, there's still non-trivial stuff to speculate about.

Things that now don't seem so much like development errors anymore, but intended.

Does the color still drain if you turn around while standing next to the door in the Collector Base room?

I can confirm this with a very emphatic yes.

[Lat2oo5]

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Harbinger recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

Yes but I am pretty sure that, after the EC, I heard Harbinger talking (join us?) prior to the beam impact. But it could be anyway...
And, another question, what is the point in to put Shepard male and female voices behind the starchild voice? I even think they are louder than before... I know this has been discussing a lot but now, with the EC and the IT being rejected...

Modifié par Lat2oo5, 27 juin 2012 - 09:31 .

[MaximizedAction]

Lat2oo5 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Harbinger recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

Yes but I am pretty sure that, after the EC, I heard Harbinger talking (join us?) prior to the beam impact. But it could be anyway...
And, another question, what is the point in to put Shepard male and female voices behind the stardchild voice? I even think they are louder than before... I know this has been discussing a lot but now, with the EC and the IT being rejected...

Yes, I noticed the Catalyst's background singers' voices now better, too. They also oscillate slightly in volume. Sometimes MaleShep's voice is louder, sometime's it's FemShep's.

[Turbo_J]

Lat2oo5 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Harbinger recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

Yes but I am pretty sure that, after the EC, I heard Harbinger talking (join us?) prior to the beam impact. But it could be anyway...
And, another question, what is the point in to put Shepard male and female voices behind the starchild voice? I even think they are louder than before... I know this has been discussing a lot but now, with the EC and the IT being rejected...

http://www.forced4.c... to believe.avi

Modifié par Turbo_J, 27 juin 2012 - 09:34 .

[Xavendithas]

Lat2oo5 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Harbinger recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

Yes but I am pretty sure that, after the EC, I heard Harbinger talking (join us?) prior to the beam impact. But it could be anyway...
And, another question, what is the point in to put Shepard male and female voices behind the stardchild voice? I even think they are louder than before... I know this has been discussing a lot but now, with the EC and the IT being rejected...

IT has not been rejected. The 'expanded' endings are more open to speculation than they were before the EC.

But yes, I also thought the underlying Shep voices were much more noticeable than they were before. Just one of the reasons the endings are open to interpretation, imo.

[UrgedDuke]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Trollgunner wrote...

I'm gonna add something. We still get the most bugging phrase from Starbrat and it's : "Wake up" If it's the end and how some ppl say : "The end of IT" Why, he won't say just : "Stand up" This is what really keeps bugging me every time I hear it....
 
Edit: To many questions left unanswered. And not some minor questions. . . 

You know what's really strange?

Do you remember the elevator at the end?

It doesn't really seem to lead anywhere - it's not there when you reach the top.

But I guess it hides itself just as well as it did when you first get on it. 

to add to this the elevator takes you up toward the ceiling, which would be leading you to the top of the citadel tower, BUT the crucible attaches to the bottom of the citadel tower not the top. Toughts?

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Harbinger recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

Yes but I am pretty sure that, after the EC, I heard Harbinger talking (join us?) prior to the beam impact. But it could be anyway...
And, another question, what is the point in to put Shepard male and female voices behind the stardchild voice? I even think they are louder than before... I know this has been discussing a lot but now, with the EC and the IT being rejected...

Yes, I noticed the Catalyst's background singers' voices now better, too. They also oscillate slightly in volume. Sometimes MaleShep's voice is louder, sometime's it's FemShep's.

Yes, I played in headphones and I could swear the voices are there. I didn't hear Harbinger before the beam though.

[Turbo_J]

Turbo_J wrote...

Did anyone notice that the relay explosion still does not originate from the Sol system? It starts in the Bahak system, where the alpha relay exploded in Arrival.

Really? Isn't this somewhat important?

[CyberMiguel]

Overdrive1493 wrote...

Amidst all the arguing and illogical complication, this fact remains:

IT simply cannot be true, because if that were the case, if all the evidence adds up, if we've got an undeniable theory that 100% has to be true here...

We've got a game with no ending.

Neither Bioware or EA are that stupid to think that people are going to pay for a real ending. Then again, the weeping idiots around here saying they're willing to throw $20 down a drain for digital images to gain "closure" might be the target audience for that.

EA are greedy bastards. If they really wanted to, they could feed off this IT and charge for a real ending, but it's just too much of a risk for them. Not one game in history has done that before. There is no way it was planned from the start.

Yet they have charged money for the "real" Mass Effect 2 ending which was the "Arrival" DLC that came 1 year after ME2 release date. In fact, Bioware itself admitted that "Arrival" was canon, so...

What stops Bioware/EA from pulling a stunt like that again? 

Absolutely nothing. In fact, it's more likely they'll do it again. 

Modifié par CyberMiguel, 27 juin 2012 - 09:39 .

[Xavendithas]

Turbo_J wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Did anyone notice that the relay explosion still does not originate from the Sol system? It starts in the Bahak system, where the alpha relay exploded in Arrival.

Really? Isn't this somewhat important?

Yeah, that was something I expected to see change. More speculations!

[Nightingale]

Dwailing wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Did anyone notice that if your teammates survive the run to the beam, they are seriously beaten up and bleeding but in a few minutes later they look better than ever. IT or is Chawkwas magic??

Yep, noticed it. Could be Chawkwas, since she restored Garrus in ME2 similarly well. After all, the squad didn't even seem to suffer from that big injuries.

Indeed.  Was the weakest hand waving I've ever seen - they didn't even just have the Normandy arriving to pick up survivors AFTER Harbinger leaves - that has to be obviously, no-one can be that thick while writing a script can they?

yeah, that shot was cool: Le Normandy just derping around while Harbinger is idling in the background. But then again, maybe that was the Catalyst wanting Shepard to reach the beam.

not only that but how did shepard survive harbinger's beam in the first place? everyone else got slaughtered, heavy tanks and gunships were getting ripped apart but shepard makes it out alive? you can't just chauk impossible feats up to Shepard's will there are some things that just go too far. For that matter Anderson isn't even scratched, the fact that this wasn't elaborated on makes me think it is meant to be questioned.

And questioning is what I fully intend to do with the EC...down to every microsecond of it.

Yes, BW did make Anti-IT's embrace the literal endings more, while keeping many 'IT-hints' like Shep bleading out and Anderson not. But they also cleaned up the endings immensly, like no clipping keepers.

All in all, the ending seems now more tidied up. Literal endings are nice, because if you don't know what to look for then these endings are good closure. If however, you want too look closer, there's still non-trivial stuff to speculate about.

Things that now don't seem so much like development errors anymore, but intended.

Does the color still drain if you turn around while standing next to the door in the Collector Base room?

I can confirm this with a very emphatic yes.

Apologies, I once again haven't read much of the last several pages but...what color drain?

On a somewhat unrelated note, I'm sort of surprised so many people still believe in IT. Don't take this the wrong way, I've been with this theory from the start, but it just seemed like they were trying to disprove it during certain points of the EC. I thought they would at least acknowledge it a little, but I didn't catch it if they did. Then again, I've only played it once (and rather late at night, thanks to the fact that PS3 didn't get it until evening and I was rather busy so I wasn't 100% coherent). Maybe it's different with Control/Synthesis, but it really seemed like this was it. That choosing Destroy really did do what Star-git said it would and that it's not simply Shepard's will to break free from Indoctrination.
I was pleased to see that you could totally mess up and have the cycle continue (I shot the kid just to see if I still could...won't be making that mistake again - 30 minute cutscene I can't skip again? No thanks) but what does everyone think that means in regards to IT?

TL;DR - What's everyone opinion on IT now?

[MaximizedAction]

Turbo_J wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

Did anyone notice that the relay explosion still does not originate from the Sol system? It starts in the Bahak system, where the alpha relay exploded in Arrival.

Really? Isn't this somewhat important?

Oh it is important...but I think there's just so much new stuff to speculate about, that the origin of the explosions just has yet to be tackled.

But yes, I noticed that they kept the origin of 'explosions' where it was.

[MaximizedAction]

DrTsoni wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

TJBartlemus wrote...

Did anyone notice that if your teammates survive the run to the beam, they are seriously beaten up and bleeding but in a few minutes later they look better than ever. IT or is Chawkwas magic??

Yep, noticed it. Could be Chawkwas, since she restored Garrus in ME2 similarly well. After all, the squad didn't even seem to suffer from that big injuries.

Indeed.  Was the weakest hand waving I've ever seen - they didn't even just have the Normandy arriving to pick up survivors AFTER Harbinger leaves - that has to be obviously, no-one can be that thick while writing a script can they?

yeah, that shot was cool: Le Normandy just derping around while Harbinger is idling in the background. But then again, maybe that was the Catalyst wanting Shepard to reach the beam.

not only that but how did shepard survive harbinger's beam in the first place? everyone else got slaughtered, heavy tanks and gunships were getting ripped apart but shepard makes it out alive? you can't just chauk impossible feats up to Shepard's will there are some things that just go too far. For that matter Anderson isn't even scratched, the fact that this wasn't elaborated on makes me think it is meant to be questioned.

And questioning is what I fully intend to do with the EC...down to every microsecond of it.

Yes, BW did make Anti-IT's embrace the literal endings more, while keeping many 'IT-hints' like Shep bleading out and Anderson not. But they also cleaned up the endings immensly, like no clipping keepers.

All in all, the ending seems now more tidied up. Literal endings are nice, because if you don't know what to look for then these endings are good closure. If however, you want too look closer, there's still non-trivial stuff to speculate about.

Things that now don't seem so much like development errors anymore, but intended.

Does the color still drain if you turn around while standing next to the door in the Collector Base room?

I can confirm this with a very emphatic yes.

Apologies, I once again haven't read much of the last several pages but...what color drain?

On a somewhat unrelated note, I'm sort of surprised so many people still believe in IT. Don't take this the wrong way, I've been with this theory from the start, but it just seemed like they were trying to disprove it during certain points of the EC. I thought they would at least acknowledge it a little, but I didn't catch it if they did. Then again, I've only played it once (and rather late at night, thanks to the fact that PS3 didn't get it until evening and I was rather busy so I wasn't 100% coherent). Maybe it's different with Control/Synthesis, but it really seemed like this was it. That choosing Destroy really did do what Star-git said it would and that it's not simply Shepard's will to break free from Indoctrination.
I was pleased to see that you could totally mess up and have the cycle continue (I shot the kid just to see if I still could...won't be making that mistake again - 30 minute cutscene I can't skip again? No thanks) but what does everyone think that means in regards to IT?

TL;DR - What's everyone opinion on IT now?

Mine:
If you didn't believe in IT, then you most certainly have no reason to do now because the endings now work better as actual endings. So you should be pleased to have more closure.

If you did believe in IT, then many clues remained, more have been added, but not to the extend to outshine the endings. So, if you knew about those hints and accepted them, then you, too, have no reason to abandon IT.

Just like Jessica tweeted it would.

Basically, everyone's standpoint has now been more strengthened.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 27 juin 2012 - 09:45 .

[TSA_383]

Lol, I shot the catalyst first time around and had to do the whole thing again to get a proper ending

So, what happens in the new Control/Synthesis endings? I literally just finished the EC.

By the by, given all the hype, it was, well, a bit off. I mean, this is how ME3 should originally have ended absolutely, but it's still not really "closure" with the breath scene at the end.

So yeah, first thoughts:

-They really went out of the way to change it around so destroy was painted positively this time around, and the catalyst was made suspicious to an insane degree...
-I had James/Javik on the beam run, and when James got injured he looked like he had reaper implants, but that may have been the lighting...
-I'm not that impressed that this is what took them 3 months, I mean really guys...
-The Catalyst "SO BE IT" voice is definitely a reaper voice.


So, have I missed anything in 140 pages of thread?