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[L0NEWOLF25]

Did anyone notice they didn't list the voice acter of the Catalyst in the credits? They listed the stargazer in the credits and he had maybe 5 lines.

[Xavendithas]

TSA_383 wrote...

Lol, I shot the catalyst first time around and had to do the whole thing again to get a proper ending

So, what happens in the new Control/Synthesis endings? I literally just finished the EC.

By the by, given all the hype, it was, well, a bit off. I mean, this is how ME3 should originally have ended absolutely, but it's still not really "closure" with the breath scene at the end.

So yeah, first thoughts:

-They really went out of the way to change it around so destroy was painted positively this time around, and the catalyst was made suspicious to an insane degree...
-I had James/Javik on the beam run, and when James got injured he looked like he had reaper implants, but that may have been the lighting...
-I'm not that impressed that this is what took them 3 months, I mean really guys...
-The Catalyst "SO BE IT" voice is definitely a reaper voice.


So, have I missed anything in 140 pages of thread?

Lots of trolling, fist shaking and shenanigans.

It's been hard to discuss the new material productively.

[Lat2oo5]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Harbinger recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

Yes but I am pretty sure that, after the EC, I heard Harbinger talking (join us?) prior to the beam impact. But it could be anyway...
And, another question, what is the point in to put Shepard male and female voices behind the stardchild voice? I even think they are louder than before... I know this has been discussing a lot but now, with the EC and the IT being rejected...

Yes, I noticed the Catalyst's background singers' voices now better, too. They also oscillate slightly in volume. Sometimes MaleShep's voice is louder, sometime's it's FemShep's.

Yes, I played in headphones and I could swear the voices are there. I didn't hear Harbinger before the beam though.

Check it about 3:23
Maybe I am just getting crazy.

And sorry for the pile of quotes, tablets and BSN are not friendly each other.

[TSA_383]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

lol the leaked DLC is making its rounds on the internet (articles I mean...not the actual DLC)

....Explain

[MaximizedAction]

TSA_383 wrote...

Lol, I shot the catalyst first time around and had to do the whole thing again to get a proper ending

So, what happens in the new Control/Synthesis endings? I literally just finished the EC.

By the by, given all the hype, it was, well, a bit off. I mean, this is how ME3 should originally have ended absolutely, but it's still not really "closure" with the breath scene at the end.

So yeah, first thoughts:

-They really went out of the way to change it around so destroy was painted positively this time around, and the catalyst was made suspicious to an insane degree...
-I had James/Javik on the beam run, and when James got injured he looked like he had reaper implants, but that may have been the lighting...
-I'm not that impressed that this is what took them 3 months, I mean really guys...
-The Catalyst "SO BE IT" voice is definitely a reaper voice.


So, have I missed anything in 140 pages of thread?

Welcome, I just joined, today, too!

To me, it's now clear that the Catalyst is a Reaper. No doubt there, anymore.

They also made his standpoint more solid, if you decide to trust his words, then he makes more sense now, as in being an AI that has a purpose and just wants to 'solve' the conflict between organics and synthetics.

Oh, and while for TIM, Shepard's faith is required, for the Catalyst...not so much. Love that bit.

[TSA_383]

What's this whole Leviathan thing I'm hearing about?

In due course, I will give the game files the same going over that I gave the old ones, but for now - new single player DLC?

[paxxton]

Lat2oo5 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Harbinger recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

Yes but I am pretty sure that, after the EC, I heard Harbinger talking (join us?) prior to the beam impact. But it could be anyway...
And, another question, what is the point in to put Shepard male and female voices behind the stardchild voice? I even think they are louder than before... I know this has been discussing a lot but now, with the EC and the IT being rejected...

Yes, I noticed the Catalyst's background singers' voices now better, too. They also oscillate slightly in volume. Sometimes MaleShep's voice is louder, sometime's it's FemShep's.

Yes, I played in headphones and I could swear the voices are there. I didn't hear Harbinger before the beam though.

Check it about 3:23
Maybe I am just getting crazy.

And sorry for the pile of quotes, tablets and BSN are not friendly each other.

LOL. I think there is a computerized "join us". Just before Shepard is hit.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 09:53 .

[TJBartlemus]

suprarj wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

suprarj wrote...

Andromidius wrote...


Why would they EVER surrender?  They said it themselves, they are superior in every regard.

Its completely illogical for them to do so, at face value.

It's not a "surrender" per se, it's more of a temporary detente to figure things out.  The starchild explains it straight up: they are now aware that their "solution" is not a solution: humanity will find a way to survive by passing data through cycles and ultimately defeat them.  thus a new solution is required. 

Choose the "reject" ending and even then the Reapers' "solution" is shown to be inadequate because in a future cycle the Reapers are still defeated.

Still doesn't explain why they'd allow themselves to be Destroyed.

Sure it does.  Why would Shepard allow himself to be destroyed?  If your goal is truly to seek balance / harmony, anything can be sacrificed.  That's the whole point of this game.  If you choose Destroy, you are sacrificing the geth/AIs to achieve your version of harmony.  The reapers are an AI construct, so if it requires sacrifice on their end to achieve harmony, they will do it.  They came up with the original "solution" (wiping advanced races every 50,000 yrs) NOT because they are mean/bad guys, but because they wanted to keep things peaceful.

No not really. Destroy effectivly makes it go back to where the Reapers were non-existant. So really there is no solution to the synthetic problem. As starchild said, eventually your children would make synthetics again. So it makes no sense to give Shepard this choice, unless starchild didn't give the choice. The crucible opened these choices, starchild saw this, and is trying to manipulate Shepard into making a choice that would benefit the Reapers.

[L0NEWOLF25]

Here is a link to a video I found, It's strange that they didn't put the voice acter of the catalyst in the Credits. I'm wondering if Bioware made sure not to do that.

[MaximizedAction]

TJBartlemus wrote...

suprarj wrote...

Andromidius wrote...

suprarj wrote...

Andromidius wrote...


Why would they EVER surrender?  They said it themselves, they are superior in every regard.

Its completely illogical for them to do so, at face value.

It's not a "surrender" per se, it's more of a temporary detente to figure things out.  The starchild explains it straight up: they are now aware that their "solution" is not a solution: humanity will find a way to survive by passing data through cycles and ultimately defeat them.  thus a new solution is required. 

Choose the "reject" ending and even then the Reapers' "solution" is shown to be inadequate because in a future cycle the Reapers are still defeated.

Still doesn't explain why they'd allow themselves to be Destroyed.

Sure it does.  Why would Shepard allow himself to be destroyed?  If your goal is truly to seek balance / harmony, anything can be sacrificed.  That's the whole point of this game.  If you choose Destroy, you are sacrificing the geth/AIs to achieve your version of harmony.  The reapers are an AI construct, so if it requires sacrifice on their end to achieve harmony, they will do it.  They came up with the original "solution" (wiping advanced races every 50,000 yrs) NOT because they are mean/bad guys, but because they wanted to keep things peaceful.

No not really. Destroy effectivly makes it go back to where the Reapers were non-existant. So really there is no solution to the synthetic problem. As starchild said, eventually your children would make synthetics again. So it makes no sense to give Shepard this choice, unless starchild didn't give the choice. The crucible opened these choices, starchild saw this, and is trying to manipulate Shepard into making a choice that would benefit the Reapers.

That makes sense, as he also says how organics managed to built the Cruicible which he didn't expect them to do.

So he's manipulated by the Cruicible, and they now both find a new solution.

[AnthonyDraft]

If anything, EC makes IT more believable IMO.

[MaximizedAction]

AnthonyDraft wrote...

If anything, EC makes IT more believable IMO.

For those who believed it in the first place? Yes! But I can't imagine the Anti-ITers having anything to make them change their mind.

[McWhitey3]

Does anyone else think that the EC endings now just really show what Shep would be thinking after the decision is made. I read another comment somewhere that spoke of this. The epilogue scenes are really what Shep is thinking to justify his decision. The example given was the destroy with high EMS. The LI not putting his name on the wall. The other endings show the LI putting Shepards name up there because he/herself knows that (s)he is going to die (from what starkid says) with the control or synthesis choices. (S)He doesn't know if he will in the destroy hence (s)he would envision the LI going to search for Shep. With Low EMS it shows the LI putting the plaque on the wall but this could just mean that with low EMS Shep knows that the battle is lost.

Also you also need to think about the stargazer part. Why in the control ending would this need to be there? Shep is now ReaperShep and everyone would keep their tech and probably grow to more advanced tech. In synthesis I am sure I didnt see the strange green circuits anywhere in the scene?

[plfranke]

This is to DrTsoni but I didn't want to have a huge quote pyramid. Some things to look for would be Anderson and TIM's questionable citadel conversation. Harbinger doesn't shoot at the Normandy or Shepard for a very extended amount of time. The explosion doesn't start in Sol but in Bahak (where arrival took place).

[TSA_383]

AnthonyDraft wrote...

If anything, EC makes IT more believable IMO.

Really?
I've still not seen the control/synthesis endings (link me?) but It's damaged the idea from what I saw with Destroy...

Yes, it makes blatantly clear that the catalyst is not legit in the slightest, but frankly I was hoping for some situation where I wouldn't just get loaded to before Cronos again

Meh, I've got degree stuff to work on and a speedwing to try, but still, can't help but feel a touch disappointed.

Modifié par TSA_383, 27 juin 2012 - 10:04 .

[Turbo_J]

MaximizedAction wrote...

AnthonyDraft wrote...

If anything, EC makes IT more believable IMO.

For those who believed it in the first place? Yes! But I can't imagine the Anti-ITers having anything to make them change their mind.

This will however help many people who were on the fence. It depends on what they wanted more - 'reality' based on lore, or IT.

I also happen to believe that the EC strengthens IT. We haven't even had a day to pick it apart and there are about 10 things that don't make sense or were already in question. Things that were not changed that blatantly point to IT make it an easy call. IMO, the fact that the relay explosions start in the Bahak system is pretty damming evidence.

[Nightingale]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Mine:
If you didn't believe in IT, then you most certainly have no reason to do now because the endings now work better as actual endings. So you should be pleased to have more closure.

If you did believe in IT, then many clues remained, more have been added, but not to the extend to outshine the endings. So, if you knew about those hints and accepted them, then you, too, have no reason to abandon IT.

Just like Jessica tweeted it would.

Basically, everyone's standpoint has now been more strengthened.

That's good to hear. I'm going to have to play it again anyway, this just gives me more reason to. I was way too out of it last night to follow anything subtle. Or obvious, I suppose, once you know what you're looking at.

TSA_383 wrote...

Lol, I shot the catalyst first time around and had to do the whole thing again to get a proper ending

So, what happens in the new Control/Synthesis endings? I literally just finished the EC.

By
the by, given all the hype, it was, well, a bit off. I mean, this is
how ME3 should originally have ended absolutely, but it's still not
really "closure" with the breath scene at the end.

So yeah, first thoughts:

-They
really went out of the way to change it around so destroy was painted
positively this time around, and the catalyst was made suspicious to an
insane degree...
-I had James/Javik on the beam run, and when James
got injured he looked like he had reaper implants, but that may have
been the lighting...
-I'm not that impressed that this is what took them 3 months, I mean really guys...
-The Catalyst "SO BE IT" voice is definitely a reaper voice.

I agree with most of this. And I shot him too, lol. I'm not sure about James (I brought Liara and Garrus. They did well if your LI was with you, in my opinion) but I found it hilarious Harbinger's just like "oh, calling for evac? I'll just wait patiently in the background, then." As for the Catalyst's "So be it," it kind of freaked me out. I didn't think he'd react to being shot and such a strong reaction, sounding so...evil...Yikes. Could totally support IT or a literal view, though. He's either mad you won't let yourself become a Reaper slave or he's mad you won't change things when you finally have the capability. So yeah, you're definitely right, Maximized. I didn't think Destroy was painted all that positively though, it seemed he was really, really pushing for Synthesis. Still. Apparently Control was...creepy? I don't know, I haven't played it yet. Synthesis is probably a bit interesting now, though. From what I understand the Reaper forces don't just leave, they're...part of the galactic community now. Or something

Lat2oo5 wrote...
Check it about 3:23
Maybe I am just getting crazy.

You're not crazy, I heard it too. Not sure what he said though. Think someone here said "Join us" which was my first thought but I don't know.

[paxxton]

TSA_383 wrote...

AnthonyDraft wrote...

If anything, EC makes IT more believable IMO.

Really?
I've still not seen the control/synthesis endings (link me?) but It's damaged the idea from what I saw with Destroy...

Yes, it makes blatantly clear that the catalyst is not legit in the slightest, but frankly I was hoping for some situation where I wouldn't just get loaded to before Cronos again

Meh, I've got degree stuff to work on and a speedwing to try, but still, can't help but feel a touch disappointed.

You should've chosen Control. The coolest, most badass ending of all.

[paxxton]

I'm pretty sure that if IT is considered by BioWare, we are guaranteed to have Mass Effect 4 with Shepard in 2-3 years.

[Dwailing]

Hey Maximized, did you post our findings yet?

[Sero303]

Admiral Anderson: "you think their making a reaper in here?"
Shepard: "No, their making cupcakes for bioware!"

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

AnthonyDraft wrote...

If anything, EC makes IT more believable IMO.

Really?
I've still not seen the control/synthesis endings (link me?) but It's damaged the idea from what I saw with Destroy...

Yes, it makes blatantly clear that the catalyst is not legit in the slightest, but frankly I was hoping for some situation where I wouldn't just get loaded to before Cronos again

Meh, I've got degree stuff to work on and a speedwing to try, but still, can't help but feel a touch disappointed.

You should've chosen Control. The coolest, most badass ending of all.

And Synthesis was the most emotional for me.

But yeah, Control had a badass feel to it. But the synth music was Terminator-y enough to hint a similarity to Saren. But with the EC, that is not so black-and-white, anymore -- that is, if you decide to trust the Catalyst.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

paxxton wrote...

I'm pretty sure that if IT is considered by BioWare, we are guaranteed to have Mass Effect 4 with Shepard in 2-3 years.

I wonder how we will feel after watching the first Mass Effect 4 trailer and thinking back to this thread...

[masster blaster]

But guys even if Hackett confers that Anderson is dead then why is it that at the end your squad is almost about to put on Shepard's name on the wall, if Shepard did survive. But jugging from their expressions they really thought Shepard died. And you know what's funny not once did Hackett ever mention anything about Shepard not even once was their a thank you to Shepard alone just for Shepard. And it's also very interesting that Shepard is show breathing right after the Normandy leaves you would think that after a while Hacker could have told the crew of the Normandy that Shepard did not make it after clearing the derbies on the Citadel .

[MaximizedAction]

Dwailing wrote...

Hey Maximized, did you post our findings yet?

Gonna wait till the thread has become more calmed down. I'm missing the opportunistic and analytic atmosphere.

But thank you a thousand times for your help!

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 27 juin 2012 - 10:13 .