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[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Hey Maximized, did you post our findings yet?

Gonna wait till the thread has become more calmed down. I'm missing the opportunistic and analytic atmosphere.

But thank you a thousand times for your help!

spill it action I need speculations

Wow. Don't withhold precious evidence!

I'm not. I'm certainly not the only one who found it, as I've yet to see our most ambitious ITers speculate (Hellish, Megumi, etc)

[Lord Goose]

With the
EC, Starchild even talks like Harbinger when you choose refusal. That right there raises some red flags.

He is an AI, who created the Reapers, give them function, and embodies their collective consiciousness. What did you expect?

Also, in refusal you see clearly different scenes before... Succumbing to indoctrination by choosing to deny all options?

[MaximizedAction]

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

You know, now that I've actually had sleep, that part with the normandy coming down near the beam really feels like the leaving earth part in the beginning.
The reapers don't acknowledge the normandy or Shepard during it and Shepard's even arguing with her squadmates and LI to leave. Hm. Maybe it's just me.

Well, they have all the time in the world.

[FellishBeast]

Anything interesting happen? I don't have the will to catch up with this thread x]

[masster blaster]

TSA_383 wrote...

Lol, I shot the catalyst first time around and had to do the whole thing again to get a proper ending

So, what happens in the new Control/Synthesis endings? I literally just finished the EC.

By the by, given all the hype, it was, well, a bit off. I mean, this is how ME3 should originally have ended absolutely, but it's still not really "closure" with the breath scene at the end.

So yeah, first thoughts:

-They really went out of the way to change it around so destroy was painted positively this time around, and the catalyst was made suspicious to an insane degree...
-I had James/Javik on the beam run, and when James got injured he looked like he had reaper implants, but that may have been the lighting...
-I'm not that impressed that this is what took them 3 months, I mean really guys...
-The Catalyst "SO BE IT" voice is definitely a reaper voice.


So, have I missed anything in 140 pages of thread?

hay can you try to clear up the part when Harbinger starts to say something to Shepard before Shepard get's knocked out by the explosion death beam.

[Fiery Phoenix]

Refusal pretty much nullifies all of IT for me. Hate to admit it, but it does.

[Arian Dynas]

MaximizedAction wrote...
Your theories never seize to amaze me!

Aww.... come on it's just some random thoughts...

Another idea I had though, Refusual is distinct from Destroy in that Refusual is petulant indescision, Shepard doesn't have the will to make the hard choice of Destroy, but doesn't trust the possible traps of Synthesis and Control, so Harbinger, fed up with Shepard's inability to commit to a choice of action, his indescision making him basically useless to the Reapers, simply crushes him.

Destroy is sticking to your guns, doggedly following the core tenet of the series that sometimes hard choices must be made, but in the end things can still go right if you are strong willed enough.

Refuse is saying "oooh, I don't wanna commit genocide, but I don't think forcing something on someone else is a good thing either... otherwise I WOULD go with Destroy..."

[MaximizedAction]

Arian Dynas wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
Your theories never seize to amaze me!

Aww.... come on it's just some random thoughts...

Another idea I had though, Refusual is distinct from Destroy in that Refusual is petulant indescision, Shepard doesn't have the will to make the hard choice of Destroy, but doesn't trust the possible traps of Synthesis and Control, so Harbinger, fed up with Shepard's inability to commit to a choice of action, his indescision making him basically useless to the Reapers, simply crushes him.

Destroy is sticking to your guns, doggedly following the core tenet of the series that sometimes hard choices must be made, but in the end things can still go right if you are strong willed enough.

Refuse is saying "oooh, I don't wanna commit genocide, but I don't think forcing something on someone else is a good thing either... otherwise I WOULD go with Destroy..."

SO BE IT.
Spilled my soda when I shot Catalyst in the head for fun.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 27 juin 2012 - 10:35 .

[Sero303]

Seriously, when the godchild/starbrat/franchise-killer starts in about how "synthesis" is the final evolution of life, I was half expecting "Mufasa" from Lion King to step in and explain to young Shepard, the circle of life...

[masster blaster]

Lat2oo5 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Harbinger recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

Yes but I am pretty sure that, after the EC, I heard Harbinger talking (join us?) prior to the beam impact. But it could be anyway...
And, another question, what is the point in to put Shepard male and female voices behind the stardchild voice? I even think they are louder than before... I know this has been discussing a lot but now, with the EC and the IT being rejected...

Yes, I noticed the Catalyst's background singers' voices now better, too. They also oscillate slightly in volume. Sometimes MaleShep's voice is louder, sometime's it's FemShep's.

Yes, I played in headphones and I could swear the voices are there. I didn't hear Harbinger before the beam though.

Check it about 3:23
Maybe I am just getting crazy.

And sorry for the pile of quotes, tablets and BSN are not friendly each other.

Guys notice that when Shepard turns around to look at Harbinger Shepard makes a face at harbinger becasue maybe it's looking at Shepard and not blasting hammer to bit's and what the heck are the Alliaince soldiers shooting at.

[MaximizedAction]

Sero303 wrote...

Seriously, when the godchild/starbrat/franchise-killer starts in about how "synthesis" is the final evolution of life, I was half expecting "Mufasa" from Lion King to step in and explain to young Shepard, the circle of life...

And the Elton John song playing as the soundtrack during the Synthesis epilogue.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 27 juin 2012 - 10:37 .

[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Hey Maximized, did you post our findings yet?

Gonna wait till the thread has become more calmed down. I'm missing the opportunistic and analytic atmosphere.

But thank you a thousand times for your help!

spill it action I need speculations

Wow. Don't withhold precious evidence!

I'm not. I'm certainly not the only one who found it, as I've yet to see our most ambitious ITers speculate (Hellish, Megumi, etc)

Sorry if it sounded offensive. I'm just curious what've you found.

[onetrueduder]

MaximizedAction wrote...

onetrueduder wrote...

I love the theory, and I REALLY like the extended cut. I was one of the folks who was thinking Indoctrination through my whole first playthrough (way before it became so widespread) just from the amount of exposition it got. Even if that was not BW's intention, that's just what I picked up through the whole game with all of the dreams and small talk with crewmates who ask stuff like "Are you feeling alright" and the like.

Here's my thoughts, EC clarifies all of the stuff on the citadel itself, I am totally fine with that being real now that they clarified lots of the plotholes. HOWEVER, as you crawl towards the panel, I believe Shep succumbs to the effects and the whole starchild sequence is Introspective. With the EC, Starchild even talks like Harbinger when you choose refusal. That right there raises some red flags.

I like to think that as you approach the panel, Harby makes one last push to control your brain, Destroy is the right decision and the endings you get is real, Control and Synthesis are trickery, either to make everyone huskified or make Shep the new Harbinger, for good or for worse. And Refusal is you doing away with yourself like Saren or IM since you cannot make either decision (If you blow your head off, the citadel doesn't activate and the cycle continues.)

This is only my opinion and what I take away from it, but it gives me satisfaction and closure to a series that has given me nothing but good times for as long as I've played it.

Careful there, we don't really know if that's Harbinger or not. From the face-value (btw, this phrase has been restored now), he's just 'a' Reaper, since they are his creation.

Why is SO BE IT suicide? (If I got you correctly)

Again, completely speculative.  If you take Catalyst's description of how the "first reaper" was assembled at face value, what I thought "first reaper" implied was Harbinger, the biggest most badass reaper consciousness.  If Starchild is indeed an AI construct from the "First Reaper", its not really a stretch to think that they have some kind of linked consciousness (and agenda for that matter).  The implications of that are kind of cool to think about...

[Dwailing]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
Your theories never seize to amaze me!

Aww.... come on it's just some random thoughts...

Another idea I had though, Refusual is distinct from Destroy in that Refusual is petulant indescision, Shepard doesn't have the will to make the hard choice of Destroy, but doesn't trust the possible traps of Synthesis and Control, so Harbinger, fed up with Shepard's inability to commit to a choice of action, his indescision making him basically useless to the Reapers, simply crushes him.

Destroy is sticking to your guns, doggedly following the core tenet of the series that sometimes hard choices must be made, but in the end things can still go right if you are strong willed enough.

Refuse is saying "oooh, I don't wanna commit genocide, but I don't think forcing something on someone else is a good thing either... otherwise I WOULD go with Destroy..."

SO BE IT.
Spilled my soda when I shot Catalyst in the head for fun.

That line completely reaffirmed my belief in IT. I completely expected Shepard to wake up after Star-Brat said that.

[Nightingale]

MaximizedAction wrote...
SO BE IT.
Spilled my soda when I shot Catalyst in the head for fun.

Lol anywhere else and shooting children in the head for fun would probably get you arrested.

[Lord Goose]

doggedly following the core
tenet of the series that sometimes hard choices must be
made, but in the end things can still go right if you are
strong willed enough.

Isn't that exactly that Catalyst said?

[v0rt3x22]

Are there still believers in here?

[Sero303]

What if Morpheus holds out three pills...
you take the blue one and you go back to the dream world,
you take the red one and you wake up alice,
you take the green one, and space magic butt humps the machines and forces everyone to become part man and part machine ...

[Nightingale]

onetrueduder wrote...
Again, completely speculative.  If you take Catalyst's description of how the "first reaper" was assembled at face value, what I thought "first reaper" implied was Harbinger, the biggest most badass reaper consciousness.  If Starchild is indeed an AI construct from the "First Reaper", its not really a stretch to think that they have some kind of linked consciousness (and agenda for that matter).  The implications of that are kind of cool to think about...

Isn't that what he implies at some point, that he is in a way like the Geth Consensus? I thought he said he was the collective conciousness of the Reapers.

[ThE_LoNe_R4nGeR]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
Your theories never seize to amaze me!

Aww.... come on it's just some random thoughts...

Another idea I had though, Refusual is distinct from Destroy in that Refusual is petulant indescision, Shepard doesn't have the will to make the hard choice of Destroy, but doesn't trust the possible traps of Synthesis and Control, so Harbinger, fed up with Shepard's inability to commit to a choice of action, his indescision making him basically useless to the Reapers, simply crushes him.

Destroy is sticking to your guns, doggedly following the core tenet of the series that sometimes hard choices must be made, but in the end things can still go right if you are strong willed enough.

Refuse is saying "oooh, I don't wanna commit genocide, but I don't think forcing something on someone else is a good thing either... otherwise I WOULD go with Destroy..."

SO BE IT.
Spilled my soda when I shot Catalyst in the head for fun.

Lols, i was stunned as well that it worked.  I ended up doing Reject twice in a row, lol, by accident the second time.
If nothing else, it was satisfying just shooting him/telling him to shove it after the last 3 months.

[Vaya]

paxxton wrote...

Lat2oo5 wrote...

Check it about 3:23
Maybe I am just getting crazy.

And sorry for the pile of quotes, tablets and BSN are not friendly each other.

LOL. I think there is a computerized "join us". Just before Shepard is hit.

Those chime play again when the beam hits as well.

And there's a strange machine noise when Shepard wakes up at about 6:55.

I get the impression Bioware is trying to have things both ways at this point; the literal endings now almost make sense, even if they're still repulsive, and then they go and add, absolutely deliberately, more IT fuel.

I guess I'm ok with that.

[TJBartlemus]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

TSA_383 wrote...

AnthonyDraft wrote...

If anything, EC makes IT more believable IMO.

Really?
I've still not seen the control/synthesis endings (link me?) but It's damaged the idea from what I saw with Destroy...

Yes, it makes blatantly clear that the catalyst is not legit in the slightest, but frankly I was hoping for some situation where I wouldn't just get loaded to before Cronos again

Meh, I've got degree stuff to work on and a speedwing to try, but still, can't help but feel a touch disappointed.

You should've chosen Control. The coolest, most badass ending of all.

And Synthesis was the most emotional for me.

But yeah, Control had a badass feel to it. But the synth music was Terminator-y enough to hint a similarity to Saren. But with the EC, that is not so black-and-white, anymore -- that is, if you decide to trust the Catalyst.

That is the exact point that those won't be canon. Reason: They explain in fine detail what happened and what will. (Synthesis/Control) With Destroy and Reject, it's vague enough for it to be the canon choice and leave it for future games. (All rpg's have a canon choice. Example: Kotor also by BioWare)

[Dwailing]

Sero303 wrote...

What if Morpheus holds out three pills...
you take the blue one and you go back to the dream world,
you take the red one and you wake up alice,
you take the green one, and space magic butt humps the machines and forces everyone to become part man and part machine ...

OK, in my opinion, you have just won the internet today.

[MaximizedAction]

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Hey Maximized, did you post our findings yet?

Gonna wait till the thread has become more calmed down. I'm missing the opportunistic and analytic atmosphere.

But thank you a thousand times for your help!

spill it action I need speculations

Wow. Don't withhold precious evidence!

I'm not. I'm certainly not the only one who found it, as I've yet to see our most ambitious ITers speculate (Hellish, Megumi, etc)

Sorry if it sounded offensive. I'm just curious what've you found.

You weren't offensive.

It's so in your face, you'll find it yourself. It's also more fun that way.

Start by playing around with Alt+tab back out of the game all the time, after you loaded the "Citadel:The Return", and listen to what you hear.

But that's not the IT related part (I guess), it's prob. just a "It's not a bug, it's a feature". But it's a cool one.
I also guess it has been already been there before the EC, I just haven't noticed it.

Seriously do it yourself. It's more "wow" that way.

The real tin-foilyness begins in the Catalyst chamber, when you have to make the decision.

Shoot your Carnifex, listen to it.
Shoot it again, to memorize it.
Alt+tab out.
Listen to it,
Lather, rinse, repeat.

And finally, let the speculations emerge.

[v0rt3x22]

Sero303 wrote...

What if Morpheus holds out three pills...
you take the blue one and you go back to the dream world,
you take the red one and you wake up alice,
you take the green one, and space magic butt humps the machines and forces everyone to become part man and part machine ...

This deserves its own thread