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[paxxton]

MaximizedAction wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

Seriously, when the godchild/starbrat/franchise-killer starts in about how "synthesis" is the final evolution of life, I was half expecting "Mufasa" from Lion King to step in and explain to young Shepard, the circle of life...

And the Elton John song playing as the soundtrack during the Synthesis epilogue.

The music in Synthesis is well-paced, with pleasant tones and the message sent is unambigously positive. But it's power in the Control music.  Limitless possibilities of improvement. It's a pity that Stargazer and the child stand barefoot, in rags and have no access to space travel.

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 10:58 .

[Arian Dynas]

Lord Goose wrote...

doggedly following the core
tenet of the series that sometimes hard choices must be
made, but in the end things can still go right if you are
strong willed enough.

Isn't that exactly that Catalyst said?

...

No.

Not at all.

Fail. Do not pass go, do not collect $200 dollars.

[TSA_383]

Dwailing wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
Your theories never seize to amaze me!

Aww.... come on it's just some random thoughts...

Another idea I had though, Refusual is distinct from Destroy in that Refusual is petulant indescision, Shepard doesn't have the will to make the hard choice of Destroy, but doesn't trust the possible traps of Synthesis and Control, so Harbinger, fed up with Shepard's inability to commit to a choice of action, his indescision making him basically useless to the Reapers, simply crushes him.

Destroy is sticking to your guns, doggedly following the core tenet of the series that sometimes hard choices must be made, but in the end things can still go right if you are strong willed enough.

Refuse is saying "oooh, I don't wanna commit genocide, but I don't think forcing something on someone else is a good thing either... otherwise I WOULD go with Destroy..."

SO BE IT.
Spilled my soda when I shot Catalyst in the head for fun.

That line completely reaffirmed my belief in IT. I completely expected Shepard to wake up after Star-Brat said that.

Me too.

Making it even more awful that I had to sit through the whole non-standard game-over sequence for shooting a reaper construct in the head... (seriously Bioware?)

I'm just disappointed that we still didn't really get closure for the breath scene. If that's really the end of Shepard in Mass Effect games and they just intend to leave it as a mystery then sorry, but I'm not really interested.
After all these months of speculation and back-and-forth, the "clarified" ending with "closure" comes out and offers us little of either.

I think it's a shame, that's all. So much hype for what was actually so little product...

[SirLugash]

Lord Goose wrote...

With the
EC, Starchild even talks like Harbinger when you choose refusal. That right there raises some red flags.

He is an AI, who created the Reapers, give them function, and embodies their collective consiciousness. What did you expect?

Also, in refusal you see clearly different scenes before... Succumbing to indoctrination by choosing to deny all options?

It is not Harbingers voice.
Look it up on Youtube, Harbinger sounds very different.
The voice is like the one from the Rannoch Reaper (maybe some generic Reaper voice).

[OnelShot]

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Hey Maximized, did you post our findings yet?

Gonna wait till the thread has become more calmed down. I'm missing the opportunistic and analytic atmosphere.

But thank you a thousand times for your help!

spill it action I need speculations

Wow. Don't withhold precious evidence!

I'm not. I'm certainly not the only one who found it, as I've yet to see our most ambitious ITers speculate (Hellish, Megumi, etc)

Sorry if it sounded offensive. I'm just curious what've you found.

You weren't offensive.

It's so in your face, you'll find it yourself. It's also more fun that way.

Start by playing around with Alt+tab back out of the game all the time, after you loaded the "Citadel:The Return", and listen to what you hear.

But that's not the IT related part (I guess), it's prob. just a "It's not a bug, it's a feature". But it's a cool one.
I also guess it has been already been there before the EC, I just haven't noticed it.

Seriously do it yourself. It's more "wow" that way.

The real tin-foilyness begins in the Catalyst chamber, when you have to make the decision.

Shoot your Carnifex, listen to it.
Shoot it again, to memorize it.
Alt+tab out.
Listen to it,
Lather, rinse, repeat.

And finally, let the speculations emerge.

Sucks for us who don't have the PC version.

[MaximizedAction]

DrTsoni wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
SO BE IT.
Spilled my soda when I shot Catalyst in the head for fun.

Lol anywhere else and shooting children in the head for fun would probably get you arrested.

Hence, my phrasing.

[Fat Head]

I still believe, now more than before.

#IndoctrinationTheoryisTrue

[MaximizedAction]

OnelShot wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

paxxton wrote...

plfranke wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...

Dwailing wrote...

Hey Maximized, did you post our findings yet?

Gonna wait till the thread has become more calmed down. I'm missing the opportunistic and analytic atmosphere.

But thank you a thousand times for your help!

spill it action I need speculations

Wow. Don't withhold precious evidence!

I'm not. I'm certainly not the only one who found it, as I've yet to see our most ambitious ITers speculate (Hellish, Megumi, etc)

Sorry if it sounded offensive. I'm just curious what've you found.

You weren't offensive.

It's so in your face, you'll find it yourself. It's also more fun that way.

Start by playing around with Alt+tab back out of the game all the time, after you loaded the "Citadel:The Return", and listen to what you hear.

But that's not the IT related part (I guess), it's prob. just a "It's not a bug, it's a feature". But it's a cool one.
I also guess it has been already been there before the EC, I just haven't noticed it.

Seriously do it yourself. It's more "wow" that way.

The real tin-foilyness begins in the Catalyst chamber, when you have to make the decision.

Shoot your Carnifex, listen to it.
Shoot it again, to memorize it.
Alt+tab out.
Listen to it,
Lather, rinse, repeat.

And finally, let the speculations emerge.

Sucks for us who don't have the PC version.

Hm, good point. I think I have to rethink the value of that one...

EDIT: But stuff like that will be discussed, anyway, when we'll look through the game files. I.e. what was intended and what not.

Modifié par MaximizedAction, 27 juin 2012 - 10:53 .

[Sero303]

Whenever there is 'chaos' on my computer I can choose between:
"CTRL" "DSTRY" OR "SYNTS"

[D.Sharrah]

I had some thoughts about what the extended endings do to impact some of the themes of the game.  And while I don't want to over simplify what is there, I thought there was some pretty inherent conclusions that you could draw based on certain themes.  For the most part I think that there is some interesting stuff there.  Here are just some of my speculations (as it pertains to themes):

Sacrifice

Control - Sacrifices Shep's humanity (and IMHO not for the better, since it gives us the birth of Harpard, the new Reaper overlord)

Destroy - Sacrifices Synthetics/Tech.

*As a quick aside, notice that these first two are polar opposites.

Synthesis - This is one that I have struggled to find a unifying piece...the best that I could come up was Shep.  Since it is the only ending that some part of Shep does not live on.

Refusal/Rejection - Interesting enough this one was the easiest for me to see - Shep sacrifices the current cycle in the hopes that a better solution will be found.

For me, I still think that destroy is my preferred choice.  But what Bioware was able to present with the idea of rejecting the Catalyst is compelling...it seems that most have gotten there by turning around to shoot the Catalyst; but for me it was much more powerful when the rejection comes from the dialogue choices.  That option being present was more in line with my Shepard - never wanting to give up on anyone (its why he saved the Rachni, made peace b/w the Geth and Quarians, cured the Genophage, etc.).

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Keith Szarabajka (Harbinger) recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

Yeah if you pay close attention. You'll hear Harbinger's voice before he shoots Shepard. Not in english but he does speak.

[L0NEWOLF25]

Here is a link to a video I found, It's strange that they didn't put the voice acter of the catalyst in the Credits. I'm wondering if Bioware made sure not to do that.

Reposting this since it was lost in the sea of comments.

[leafyFresh]

 I just need to get this off my chest and then I'm done...  Dear Bioware/EA/developers:  The ending to mass effect 3 hurt my soul and made me pretty darn sad and disappointed.  You didn't branch out the endings at all like you promised.  Even in the extended cut, the story never truly diverges.  
In mass effect 2, you did a fantastic job making me care about the characters.. every one of them.  In mass effect 3, I feel like you didn't give them much attention.  Those characters were a big part of why I was excited for mass effect 3.

If you ever make games of this style again (not a mmorpg but more of this "conversation and guns" genre)  Please please please take your time developing it.  Take another year or 2 filling up the content and focus on the characters.  ME3 felt rushed.  It grieves me that ME3 could have been such a masterpiece.... but it was obviously rushed before it could become that masterpiece... that best game in the series.
I think if you could have worked on this game for another year or two.... made your storyline truly diverge wildly, especially at the end, it would have been a crowning achievement.  This game  could have been the greatest video game ever made and brought honor to the previous two games.  This game could have been so awesome! alas.
Okay I'm done now and I feel better (:

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Keith Szarabajka (Harbinger) recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

Yeah if you pay close attention. You'll hear Harbinger's voice before he shoots Shepard. Not in english but he does speak.

"Join Us" is in English as far as I know.

[Earthborn_Shepard]

So, it's bed time. Just wanted to hug you all before I go.

*hug*

There. Now I can sleep.

[TJBartlemus]

Sero303 wrote...

Whenever there is 'chaos' on my computer I can choose between:
"CTRL" "DSTRY" OR "SYNTS"

CTRL=control
ALT= alter/synthesis
DEL= destroy

Hmmmm.....

[EpyonX3]

Destroy is my best option because the reapers are destroyed, we salvage the tech and we can reunite with squad.

If the Normandy was repaired, it's possible that EDI is still alive in some form within it and can be rebuilt. She may not be the same but it's better than nothing.

Control is cool but it's not Shepard but a reaper based off of him. Synthesis is just weird.

[paxxton]

Earthborn_Shepard wrote...

So, it's bed time. Just wanted to hug you all before I go.

*hug*

There. Now I can sleep.

*bedtime hug*

[Arian Dynas]

Really, the literal ending just has a number of things that are quite simply CLEARLY intentional (since the require more programming to do) that from the sound of it are still there.

A literal ending has to explain the purpose of the dreams,
why the child can seemingly teleport,
why the garden disappears after the scene,
how the kid can move so damn fast from one location to another,
the scream you can hear when the music is turned off during the kid's death scene,
Why it is Shepard is NOT indoctrinated,
The Starchild's circular logic
Why it is that we do a complete 180 on the themes in the last 5 minutes,
Why two of the endings align so perfectly with the motivations of Saren and The Illusive Man,
Why the gun morphs in the Destroy ending, as well as why the sound changes,
The reasons for the presence of infrasound,
Why Harbinger didn't blow the Normandy out of the sky,
How the Normandy crew knows Anderson is dead, yet has no confirmation on Shepard,
Why the Starchild's voice changes in "Reject"
Why the Starchild TOOK the shape of a child to begin with, and how,
Why Harbinger seemed to completely lose interest in Shepard in this game since the last one,
What was the point of The Arrival if they don't make use of the info about Mass Relays blowing up,
Why Object Rho did nothing to indoctrinate Shepard, even though it IS canon,
Why the Indoctrination subplot was abandoned and never picked up (supposedly according to Final Hours)
Why Shepard starts bleeding after Anderson dies,
Why The Illusive Man has gone from "I don't need you" to "I need you badly."

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Keith Szarabajka (Harbinger) recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

Yeah if you pay close attention. You'll hear Harbinger's voice before he shoots Shepard. Not in english but he does speak.

"Join Us" is in English as far as I know.

Que?

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

Destroy is my best option because the reapers are destroyed, we salvage the tech and we can reunite with squad.

If the Normandy was repaired, it's possible that EDI is still alive in some form within it and can be rebuilt. She may not be the same but it's better than nothing.

Control is cool but it's not Shepard but a reaper based off of him. Synthesis is just weird.

Control is the best. Synthesis is the greatest. Destroy is the weakest.

[masster blaster]

Arian Dynas wrote...

MaximizedAction wrote...
Your theories never seize to amaze me!

Aww.... come on it's just some random thoughts...

Another idea I had though, Refusual is distinct from Destroy in that Refusual is petulant indescision, Shepard doesn't have the will to make the hard choice of Destroy, but doesn't trust the possible traps of Synthesis and Control, so Harbinger, fed up with Shepard's inability to commit to a choice of action, his indescision making him basically useless to the Reapers, simply crushes him.

Destroy is sticking to your guns, doggedly following the core tenet of the series that sometimes hard choices must be made, but in the end things can still go right if you are strong willed enough.

Refuse is saying "oooh, I don't wanna commit genocide, but I don't think forcing something on someone else is a good thing either... otherwise I WOULD go with Destroy..."

i say ya the point was to Destroy the Reapers since the start and you do have to make a hard choices in Destroy but so did you in ME1 Virmin saev either kadin or Ashley,. Also Feros, or was it Noviria we had to make a hard choices to trust the Rachnie queen or killer her. their are more speculations that yes Shepard has to mkae hard choices but in the end was it worth it that's the question.

[Turbo_J]

SirLugash wrote...

Lord Goose wrote...

With the
EC, Starchild even talks like Harbinger when you choose refusal. That right there raises some red flags.

He is an AI, who created the Reapers, give them function, and embodies their collective consiciousness. What did you expect?

Also, in refusal you see clearly different scenes before... Succumbing to indoctrination by choosing to deny all options?

It is not Harbingers voice.
Look it up on Youtube, Harbinger sounds very different.
The voice is like the one from the Rannoch Reaper (maybe some generic Reaper voice).

Maybe it's the Leviathan of Dis testing Shepard. If they pass, they get to continue on and finish the war. Of course, other than scanning the planet, I don't recall coming close enough in contact with it...

Maybe Dis has sleepers on the Normandy (Trynor - cough or the dog) and one of them is 'amplifying' the signal?

Do you hear that hum? I should watch where the dog is when James asks that.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

According to IMDB Keith Szarabajka (Harbinger) recorded lines for additional voices in ME3.

Yeah if you pay close attention. You'll hear Harbinger's voice before he shoots Shepard. Not in english but he does speak.

"Join Us" is in English as far as I know.

Que?

He says "Join Us".

Modifié par paxxton, 27 juin 2012 - 11:04 .

[Arian Dynas]

TJBartlemus wrote...

Sero303 wrote...

Whenever there is 'chaos' on my computer I can choose between:
"CTRL" "DSTRY" OR "SYNTS"

CTRL=control
ALT= alter/synthesis
DEL= destroy

Hmmmm.....

and now

SMSHKYBRD = refuse :happy: