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[Xavendithas]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just beat the game. I feel like they copped out and did not side with either camp in this new ending.

To be fair, BioWare did exactly what they said they were going to do. They did add enough new material supporting both the literalist and the IT folks that the divide is even more pronounced now.

Our real problem is we put all our hopes in the Extended Cut, which did only the thing it was intended to do.

Give us the sort ending they originally wanted on disc.

Seriously, look at the Prima Guide, the endings now match what's in there.

We're right back where we started.

I'd rather we return to square one than have been told that indoctrination is not what is occuring in the decision chamber.

[Nightingale]

Andromidius wrote...

DrTsoni wrote...
Unless Harbinger really is the first Reaper, created from the Starchild's creators by force. It could be their attempt at getting Shepard to free them.

Still wouldn't explain why Harbinger doesn't mention it before.  When he's alone and not surrounded by other Reapers, with the Catalyst nearby.

The "Catalyst" is, in his own words (I think), the collective conciousness of the Reapers. Harbinger wouldn't want to let the Catalyst know too soon, he'd just try to silence it/them. It's vague enough that Shepard would have time to get to the Crucible before the Catalyst could do anything to stop them. Unfortunately, it's also so vague I'm not even sure this could be a real argument

[Turbo_J]

v0rt3x22 wrote...

Say did any of the guys who made the IT Documentaries - come back on the DLC?

I heard Avavos (or whatever his name was) pulled out

It would be best not to focus on rumor and hearsay. Anyone with eyes, the ability to think critically and the capacity for seeking the truth can see, there isn't just the same evidence to support IT, but in fact new material that strengthens it.

This can be said for literal interpretations as well, however, for C and S they seem even more creepy.

Starbinger has also been irreversibly and irrefutably exposed as a Reaper.

[GethPrimeMKII]

Ok, so I picked destroy on my first round. Any new evidence come out of the refusal ending?

[Andromidius]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Big Bad wrote...
*snip*

I'm reposting this for the new page because I almost never write walls of text! 

Thoughts?

As a former Harry Potter fan, I feel you nailed the feeling here pretty well.

As someone who dislikes Harry Potter but knows the general story...  Its smack on exactly.

Its also like if in Lord of the Rings if at Mount Doom the ring starts talking to Frodo and declares its controlling Sauron.  And then Frodo gets three options - Destroy the ring (Frodo dies, Sauron dies, Elves and Dwarves die), Control the ring (Frodo dies and gets sucked into the ring, Sauron survives and brokers peace and all is forgiven), and Merge with Orcs (Frodo dies, Sauron survives, everyone becomes a Half Orc).

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

I heard it my first playthrough and thought it was cool! I still don't hear english though. You can try to make it sound like whatever you want it to but it's not clear enough.

[Auralius Carolus]

Arian Dynas wrote...

Xavendithas wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Just beat the game. I feel like they copped out and did not side with either camp in this new ending.

To be fair, BioWare did exactly what they said they were going to do. They did add enough new material supporting both the literalist and the IT folks that the divide is even more pronounced now.

Our real problem is we put all our hopes in the Extended Cut, which did only the thing it was intended to do.

Give us the sort ending they originally wanted on disc.

Seriously, look at the Prima Guide, the endings now match what's in there.

We're right back where we started.

I honestly think we need to step back and take that fine-toothed comb over everything again, simply because of that. While the ending seems to be far more literal now than ever, certain elements remain as well as new possible IT support- Star Child's reaction to rejection, etc.

The hard part is simply avoiding being burnt out on it all.

[Turbo_J]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Any links yet? Renegade/Paragon or maybe the collector base keep/destroy?

Save?

Join?

I've heard both. One in may game and one on Vid. I got save us. Collector base destroyed. Paragon.

[HellishFiend]

I'm inclined to think that Destroy somehow yields the best outcome of the indoc attempt, mostly because of the breath scene. However rejecting all the choices doesnt give the feel like Shepard has given in to the process either. The Reapers becoming upset, even for an instant, is somewhat interesting though. Even in Arrival, or upon the failure of the Collectors, Harbinger is never visibly or audibly upset....

[Auralius Carolus]

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Ok, so I picked destroy on my first round. Any new evidence come out of the refusal ending?

The Starchild gets pissed and his voice turns to that of a Reaper. That's about it.

[Big Bad]

Andromidius wrote...

Arian Dynas wrote...

Big Bad wrote...

Big Bad wrote...
*snip*

I'm reposting this for the new page because I almost never write walls of text! 

Thoughts?

As a former Harry Potter fan, I feel you nailed the feeling here pretty well.

As someone who dislikes Harry Potter but knows the general story...  Its smack on exactly.

Its also like if in Lord of the Rings if at Mount Doom the ring starts talking to Frodo and declares its controlling Sauron.  And then Frodo gets three options - Destroy the ring (Frodo dies, Sauron dies, Elves and Dwarves die), Control the ring (Frodo dies and gets sucked into the ring, Sauron survives and brokers peace and all is forgiven), and Merge with Orcs (Frodo dies, Sauron survives, everyone becomes a Half Orc).

LOL.  I would really hate to see Eowen as a half orc! 

[lex0r11]

I see there is no time to bring up some forum slacker like me up to speed.

You guys just shout if anyone needs "visual" support.

[masster blaster]

Turbo_J wrote...

masster blaster wrote...

Turbo_J wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

ThisOneIsPunny wrote...

Better yet, how the hell did the REST of the crew get on the Normandy if they were all at the London FOB?
How did they even get to the London FOB?

The Normandy has more than one shuttle. Anyone you didn't pick for the push took a shuttle back up to the Normandy.

Why on earth would they all sit around and twittle their thumbs when the people from ME2 are in squads all over London getting ready to fight their own fronts? That's ridiculous and cowardly. Not one member of the Normandy would accept that for a second.

Even Victus is on Earth willing to fight... which is an IT element in itself that nobody talks about. No way he'd be there. He'd be with his fleet or securing shelter for the refugees pulled off Palavin.

Well Victus is a General not an Admiral, so ya I can see him on the battle field so not really IT if you ask me.

Um, he is the Primarch of Palavin! The leader of the entire planet. I don't think his people would LET him go to a front line war anywhere.

ya but Earth was goning to be the truning point because of the Crucible and if you ask me what's the best shot the Primarch have to lose. He knows they can not win this convetially and the crucible may be the only way to stop the Reapers so ya that sounds more hopefull if their is a way to save Palavian instead of fighting a pointless war that can not be won by fighting head on.

[EpyonX3]

Turbo_J wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Any links yet? Renegade/Paragon or maybe the collector base keep/destroy?

Save?

Join?

I've heard both. One in may game and one on Vid. I got save us. Collector base destroyed. Paragon.

There's only one version. So I don't think it varies.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

I heard it my first playthrough and thought it was cool! I still don't hear english though. You can try to make it sound like whatever you want it to but it's not clear enough.

What's your Shepard's background in the playthrough you recorded it from?

Modifié par paxxton, 28 juin 2012 - 01:27 .

[Big Bad]

lex0r11 wrote...

I see there is no time to bring up some forum slacker like me up to speed.

You guys just shout if anyone needs "visual" support.

I could really have used a "Tequila Salai" motivational last night after finishing the EC. 

As far as what's going on, lots of arguing, trolling and some speculation.  I think the most interesting thing I heard today was about how the EC apparently contains content for a future DLC involving the Leviathan of Dis.  I haven't looked into the topic closely, though, for fear of spoilers.

[Nightingale]

HellishFiend wrote...

I'm inclined to think that Destroy somehow yields the best outcome of the indoc attempt, mostly because of the breath scene. However rejecting all the choices doesnt give the feel like Shepard has given in to the process either. The Reapers becoming upset, even for an instant, is somewhat interesting though. Even in Arrival, or upon the failure of the Collectors, Harbinger is never visibly or audibly upset....

I was in the middle of making another wall of text about it but...yeah, pretty much this ^^^

[GethPrimeMKII]

I saw evidence within the ending that would support a literal interpretation. Scenes such as the Normandy pick up, EDI's name on the memorial wall, and Hackett's order to retreat come to mind. But, when examined more closely, there is just as much new evidence that supports IT. I'm satisfied with the ending, but slightly disappointed that Bioware didn't fully commit to one side.

[munnellyladt]

Anybody notice how the catalyst seems to support you to make a dissision?
What i mean is he says that his method of saving organics from synthetics,
is imperfect,so he tells you that all the control and synthesis choices are a better means of making sure organics are safe,and how he says you'll just make synthetics again after you pick destroy and the chaos will come back.
If he was telling the truth then why didn't he let organics build the crucible and make these so called "solutions"happen earlier?
he is a lying little ****.

[Andromidius]

HellishFiend wrote...

I'm inclined to think that Destroy somehow yields the best outcome of the indoc attempt, mostly because of the breath scene. However rejecting all the choices doesnt give the feel like Shepard has given in to the process either. The Reapers becoming upset, even for an instant, is somewhat interesting though. Even in Arrival, or upon the failure of the Collectors, Harbinger is never visibly or audibly upset....

Yeah, if anything Harbinger seems bored whenever you set back his plans.  Not annoyed at all, most the way an old schoolteacher would idly scold a naughty child but never really have the drive to make it anything more then a formality.

After all, It is useless to resist, Shepard.

[EpyonX3]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

I heard it my first playthrough and thought it was cool! I still don't hear english though. You can try to make it sound like whatever you want it to but it's not clear enough.

What's your Shepard's background in the playthrough you recorded it from?

That's the sound file itself. No other sound effects loaded.

[LT123]

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Whoa. When is this? After the squadmates get picked up? 

[GethPrimeMKII]

Auralius Carolus wrote...

GethPrimeMKII wrote...

Ok, so I picked destroy on my first round. Any new evidence come out of the refusal ending?

The Starchild gets pissed and his voice turns to that of a Reaper. That's about it.

Oh. Well I'll be damned. I guess his cover is blown.

[paxxton]

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

I heard it my first playthrough and thought it was cool! I still don't hear english though. You can try to make it sound like whatever you want it to but it's not clear enough.

What's your Shepard's background in the playthrough you recorded it from?

That's the sound file itself. No other sound effects loaded.

I hear "Save Us". Try searching for "Join Us." I think I heard it too in a different video.

Modifié par paxxton, 28 juin 2012 - 01:34 .

[paxxton]

LT123 wrote...

paxxton wrote...

EpyonX3 wrote...

Harbinger's Epic One Liner!

So you also heard it?

Whoa. When is this? After the squadmates get picked up? 

Yes. Just before the hit.